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saturday, july 23, 2005

Rove Watch Watch
 
Be sure to read Digby's post on the investigation into who forged the Niger documents. There is a possible Judy Miller connection -- "she's the Zelig of the iraq operation." Heh.
 

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Not So Simple
 
Since the July 7 London bombings I've seen a number of rightie bloggers suggesting that the way to stop terrorism is to stop and search all "Middle-Eastern looking" men at subway stops.
 
Today we learned that a man shot dead by London police as a suspected terrorist was innocent. He was also a Brazilian national, not Middle Eastern.
 
I was thinking about that in New York City today. There are millions of people who use the subway system every day who qualify as "Middle Eastern-looking." They might be Middle Eastern, or Latino, or from India, or biracial, or European with a good tan.  And when I say millions, I do mean millions. Every day.
 
In New York City, if you are afraid of Middle Eastern-looking men in the subways or buses, the only alternative beside walking is to catch a ride from a friendly Pakistani cab driver. (Trying to get around in Manhattan in your own car is way impractical; I don't recommend it.) 
 
I took a Metro North train to Grand Central today and didn't see any backpacks searched, although I saw signs at one train stop saying that backpacks might be searched. I understand they're doing random searches in the subways now, which can't be much more than a token gesture.
 
My only point is that there aren't any easy solutions. But anyone who thinks it would be just so simple to single out the "Middle Eastern-looking" mass transit riders and search them should hang out in a Manhattan subway station for a while and notice how many riders qualify.
 
 
Update, Oh Shit Department: Scotland blames Wales ... not really, but here's an item from The Scotsman saying some of the suspects in this week's London bombings were seen in north Wales with some perps of the July 7 bombings.
 
Great; I'll be in north Wales in mid-August (the Ancestral Homeland Tour; details TK). Better and better.

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9:19 pm | link

Downing Street Day Photo Gallery
 
Patriotic citizens outside the NBC studio at Rockefeller Plaza today, calling attention to the Downing Street Memos: 
 
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Billionaires for Bush!
 
 
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Above: Nice young man who tried to give me a brochure.
 
Below: Zooming in.
 
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Across the street, tourists were lined up to get their pictures taken with the friendly and heavily armed NYPD.
 
 
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I don't last long in the heat these days, so I only went there briefly to take pictures. I thank my fellow patriots who stood around in the nearly 90 degree heat to wave signs and hand out brochures.
 
However, I do want to nag about one thing. For a while I watched from a distance. There was one fellow waving a handmade sign and angrily yelling at the passing tourists about Bushie corruption. Now, what the guy said was true, but it was plain to me that his efforts were not helping the cause. He was just making passers-by uncomfortable. People hurried past with their heads down. 
 
And the woman who was screaming at the tourists (and me) for taking photos of the cops with machine guns was definitely not helping the cause. Displays of intolerance and hostility toward the people you want to persuade is, um, stupid. Really, really stupid.
 
But as I hope you can see from the photos, the overall vibe was one of cheerful earnestness. Good job.

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4:48 pm | link

Retro War
 
I've written before about the Bush Administration's archaic anti-terrorism strategies and how remarkably counterproductive they are. Well, there's more, shall we say, vintage policy thinking on display at the New York Times Editorial Page Museum of Political Antiques and Oddities.
 
Get this: National and Homeland security advisers Stephen Hadley and Frances Townsend want to fight terrorism the same way we fought World War II 

The London attacks served to underscore the reality that we face an enemy determined to destroy our way of life and substitute for it a fanatical vision of dictatorial and theocratic rule. At its root, the struggle is an ideological contest, a war of ideas that engages all of us, public servant and private citizen, regardless of nationality.

We have waged such wars before, and we know how to win them.  

We have? We do? Pray tell, when in the past were the first-world democracies wholesale targets of stateless and global terrorist organizations whose weapon of choice is suicide bombs striking civilian targets?

... our efforts since the attacks of 9/11 have been guided by three important lessons learned when free peoples twice defeated totalitarianism in the last century.

I'm assuming they're talking about World War II and the Cold War. But isn't responding to terrorism with pre-9/11 policy supposed to be bad?

First and most important, we must have a clear understanding of the ideology espoused by the enemy.

This from the administration that famously reduces all jihadi ideology to "they hate our freedom."

The terrorists we face today aim to remake the Middle East in their own grim image - one that, as President Bush has said, "hates freedom, rejects tolerance and despises all dissent."

Sounds like Rush Limbaugh.

This vision is eerily reminiscent of earlier totalitarian systems, where a radical few subjugated the helpless many. Then as now, terror is the principal tool of the totalitarian.

It's a tool, and as a rule once a totalitarian regime is firmly entrenched it can become a principal tool. But the Big Cheese dictators of the 20th century--Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, Castro, etc.--didn't come into power by telling the people "make us dictator or we'll shoot your dog." In some cases (e.g. Mao, Castro) they had a large base of popular support in their respective countries before they gained control. They gained this support in large part by packaging themselves as saviors of the people; the antidote to the corrupt, incompetent, and oppressive regimes they eventually replaced.

Today's terrorists seek through barbaric violence to topple governments, export terrorism and force free nations to stand down. The terrorists believe democracies are weak, and that those who champion freedom will retreat in the face of relentless attacks - that people, in Osama bin Laden's words, "will like the strong horse."

There's no question that today's terrorists are a nasty piece of work and represent a terrible danger. The question is, what is the best response? What can we do to minimize the terrorist threat and slow the spread of jihadi fanaticism? Judging by the results, Bush Administration policies have been exactly wrong.

History has taught us that the best antidote to totalitarianism is forceful resolve coupled with actions that advance human freedom.  

The antidote to the Third Reich was armed invasion. In a large sense, I suppose one could argue that the D-Day assault was an act of forceful resolve that advanced human freedom. The end of the Cold War came about in an entirely different way, and there remains enormous partisan disagreement over how much influence American policy actually played in the collapse of the Soviet empire. But as Russia is edging back toward dictatorship, I wonder if we didn't all celebrate the victory a tad too soon.

In any event, it's fine to make speeches about how freedom is better than totalitarianism and about how much "resolve" we all have. But that doesn't answer the basic question--what is the best policy? What concrete steps should we be taking to put an end to today's threat? What, exactly, should we do? The policies of democratic nations to oppose the Axis in World War II, and the policies of democratic nations during the Cold War, were very different policies. Yes, the policies may have shared basic philosophical goals (e.g., totalitarianism is bad), but that's about it.

Our logic is straightforward. Terrorists exploit conditions of despair and feelings of resentment where freedom is denied. When we support the vision and reality of a freer and hopeful future, we undercut the ideological underpinning for the terrorists and embolden those opposed to their grim vision.

That's grand, but the fact remains that Bush Administration policies are not working. The Bushies ought to be asking themselves why. Clearly, a whole lotta people are not realizing the glorious vision of a freer and hopeful future (clunky phrase, that).

I don't see anyone opposed to freedom and hope. I do see people arguing that Bush policies are not bringing freedom and hope to the Middle East, just increasing instability and violence. Not to mention corruption.

Another howler: "...we must overcome America's mixed record on supporting freedom in the Middle East. For too long we accepted a false bargain that promised stability if we looked the other way when democracy was denied."

Can we say Azerbaijan? Egypt? Pakistan?

Hadley and Townsend continue to evoke freedom and hope and freedom and vision and freedom to the end of the article. I'm not sure what they are trying to accomplish here. I actually agree with much of what they say. The problem is, Bush Administration polcies work in opposition to most of what they say. And instead of re-examining policies that are obviously failing, they do nothing but churn out more horseshit about what great visions they have. Not to mention how much resolve

The problem is that neither Hadley nor Townsend, nor anyone else in the Bush administration, seem to have a clue.

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friday, july 22, 2005

Blogged Out
 
I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed today, as there are a great many more things going on today I wished to blog about than I was able to blog about.
 
So, here are just some random bloggy bits, in no particular order.
 
See Steve Soto on the John Bolton-Judy Miller connection and the last-minute motion against release of more Abu Ghraib photos.
 
In this morning's hearing, at one point Larry Johnson said it is normal procedure, after an agent is exposed, for the CIA to write up a damage assessment. This assessment would have been filed with the House Intelligence Committee. I wonder if anyone has seen this? I suppose it's classified, although if it minimized the damage the Bushies would have leaked it anyway.
 
Tomorrow is Downing Street Memo day. I plan to wander into Manhattan tomorrow to take pictures of the silent vigil outside of NBC studios, beginning at 10 am. There's to be another event with speakers (e.g., Randi Rhodes) at 2 pm at the Ethical Culture Society, 2 W. 64th St. at Central Park West, and I might attend if I feel up to it.  
 
Momentous things are happening, so what are the righties worked up about today? Judging by memeorandum, they're pissed that  of WaPo snarked about John Roberts's family --  "His wife and children stood before the cameras, groomed and glossy in pastel hues -- like a trio of Easter eggs, a handful of Jelly Bellies, three little Necco wafers."
 
I clearly remember that, during Bill Clinton's first term in particular, Hillary's every public appearance was greated by a chorus of derision about her clothes and hair. I'm sure the same people quivering with indignation about Givhan's article were just as indignant about worse treatment of the First Lady.
 
However, and as much as I believe in principle that criticizing a lady's wardrome is mean, I had a hard time with the strawberry pink suit. I keep thinking of Morticia Addams in the second Addams Family movie--"But Debbie ... pastels?"
 
Tbogg snarks a bit, too.

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10:25 pm | link

Not a Yuan
 
This is a follow up to yesterday's post, "Big Yuan," about the unpegging of the dollar to the yuan.
 
This is, at least potentially a very big deal -- for reasons which I've been talking about, off and on, almost since I first opened Whiskey Bar. While the financial market reaction to yesterday's move was, all things considered, relatively mild, there's no guarantee that will remain true going forward.

It's possible, in fact, that we have just passed a major milestone in economic history -- and in the much briefer history of America's reign as the world's only superpower. But this may not be recognized for many years to come. ...

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The factors that have allowed the United States to run enormous, sustained current acount deficits -- deflation, globalization, the Asian savings glut -- may persist for some time. But sooner or later, the sheer size of America's external liabilities is going to force foreign creditors to limit their exposure to our reckless financial behavior. Solvency, not relative rates of return, will be the issue on their minds then.

BW II only postpones the day; it can't prevent it. By allowing America to go steadily deeper into debt, it also makes the day's arrival more certain and more dangerous. And by modifying the dollar peg -- even if only slightly -- China has set the clock in motion.

There's a lot more detail in the elipses. That was just the teaser.

Now a word from Da Man himself, Paul Krugman:

... it could be the start of a process that will turn the world economy upside down - or, more accurately, right side up. That is, the free ride China has been giving America, in which the world's richest economy has been getting cheap loans from a country that is dynamic but still quite poor, may be coming to an end.

It's all about which way the capital is flowing. ...

...Right now America is a superpower living on credit - something I don't think has happened since Philip II ruled Spain. What will happen to our stature if and when China takes away our credit card?

This story is still in its early days. On the first day of the new policy, the yuan rose only 2 percent, not enough to make any noticeable difference. But one of these days Chinese dollar purchases will trail off, and we'll find ourselves living in interesting times.

Well, that's a cheerful thought.

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3:29 pm | link

A Break, Taking I Am
 
Via Matt Yglesias--this is way too funny. "Revenge of the Sith," translated from the original Chinese script, "The Backstroke of the West." Hysterical.

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Live Blog, Special Joint Hearing
 
12:24 The hearing has concluded. What follows are my live-blogged notes (more recent stuff at the top reordered chronologically) that I hope are useful. I will go through them and write something more coherent this afternoon.
 
Impressions: One essential point the witnesses all made, over and over, is that the damage to intelligence has been compounded by White House stonewalling. For two years the White House has been sending the message that protecting intelligence operatives and assets is a low priority, and this in turn is doing incalculable damage to our intelligence gathering operations.
 
President Bush had a responsibility, they said, to act immediately, when the Novak column was published, to find out what happened and discipline the leaker. Instead, he's blown it off and deflected responsibility.
 
The witnesses are outraged that Bush has done nothing. His hiding behind a criminal investigation -- he'll take action if it turns out somebody is guilty -- is a shocking violation of his oath to protect and defend the Constitution.
 
Most of the witnesses said that this kind of behavior from the White House is unprecedented, although one, MacMichael, said it reminded him of what was done with Howard Hunt during the Watergate episode. I admit I don't remember the details of the Howard Hunt adventure clearly. 
 
Louise Slaughter used the "T" word-- At the worst, treason was committed by high-ranking White House officials.
 
Lots of juicy quotes --  Jim Marcinkowski spoke of the political operatives trashing Wilson and Plame as "prime time patriots" and "partisan ninnies" (I think he said ninnies). Every time you polish your American flag pin, he says, you should reflect on what your words and actions are doing to the American people.
 
Larry Johnson said, You have the assumption that people in the white house are adults and not a bunch of petulant children. But this bunch, he says, acts like children fighting over baseball mitts. Did I mention he's really disgusted?
 
OK, as I said, I need a break, and then I'll write some more.
 
[UPDATE: You can watch the hearings on the web by going to the CSPAN home page and clicking on the link under "Recent Programs,"  "Hearing on Security Implications of Revealing Covert Agent's Identity"]
 
[UPDATE: David Corn has the testimony from James Marcinkowski. I'm not sure if this is an exact transcript; more likely his testimony as prepared beforehand. Pretty close, though.] 
 
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10:07 The hearing is just getting started. It's on CSPAN 3. Here's a press release explaining the purpose of the hearing.
 
10:08 Senator Schumer is speaking. He says that the day after Novak's column he talked to George Tenet on the phone. Tenet and others were furious that Plame's name was leaked. Schumer and Tenet decided that the only way this matter would ever be investigated would be if the CIA made a strong request for an investigation.
 
When we launched this investigation, Schumer said, we had no idea where it would lead. We only knew a dastardly crime had been committed.
 
The White House tried to deny it. They denied the involvement of Rove, Libby. But now they're trying to trivialize it. And they're putting out false information.
 
Fitzgerald, a prosecutor's prosecutor, will get to the bototm of this. We have to protect the national security of our country.
 
Then Schumer discusses New York Times article I discussed in previous post, below.
 
Schumer believes three things should be done:
 
One, Schumer believes the security clearances of Rove and Libby should be suspended.
 
Second, the President should fire anyone who leaked information, whether convicted or not.
 
Third, Andy Card needs to launch an internal investigation.
 
10:15 Rep. Henry Waxman is speaking. Right now he is providing background on the Plame-Rove incident.
 
10:18 It appears, Waxman said, that Rove and others launched a smear campaign against Joe Wilson, and his wife was collateral damage.
 
Today's New York Times fills in another part of the puzzle. Tenet went through Stephen Hadley to not use the Niger-uranium story, which the administration did anyway. Then Tenet took responsibility for the story. Now we know why, says Waxman.
 
The White House was eager to claim Rove had no part of the leak. Now they've gone silent. They have not investigated the leak. There is an executive order that requires the White House to conduct an investigation. The President is required to discipline those responsible. But the President has ignored these obligations. There is a special standard for Karl Rove.
 
Plus, Congress is refusing to do its job. The Republican Congress could hold a hearing next week. For the sake of our armed services, they should do this. We can't subpoena Libby and Rove, says Waxman. They wouldn't come anyway.
 
10:28 John Conyers is up next.
 
The only thing I would add, he says, is that 91 members of Congress joined with me on my letter to the President of July 14 to urge the President to require that Karl Rove either come forward to explain his role, or to resign.

Louise Slaughter: Bush campaigned on restoring dignity to the White House. But this administration has been defined by its striking relativism. We can count any number of incidents in which this White House failed to take responsibility.
Time and time again, this administration has been let off the hook by their friends in Congress.
 
At the worst, treason was committed by high-ranking White House officials.
 
10: 30 Louise Slaughter asks if Bush or Cheney themselves were involved. Gross abuse of power at the highest levels. I believe the implications of this matter are worse than Watergate, and should get the same level of scrutiny. Sing out Louise!
 
10:33 Slaughter: America demands more than "no comment."
 
10:35 Rep. Jay Inslee, D-Washington: Nobody died for Watergate. Yet more than 1700 of our sons and daughters have died in the sands of Iraq. I am hear to pay respect to those soldiers, to the intelligence officers who serve their country. Wilson received a commendation from Bush I for risking his life, last embassy official out of Baghdad. Bush II not so honorable.
 
What should Bush have done?
 
No excuses. All we get from the White House are excuses. Didn't use her name? That dog does not hunt.
 
Second, how about some candor? Just tell us the truth, Mr. President.
 
Third, any America president owes our ingtelligence service officers to get to the bottom of this. This president has done NOTHING. He sat on his hands and let law enforcement do the job. 
 
If there are no indictments, we need to change the Intelligence law.
 
10:41 Larry Johnson, former CIA Analyst: The people represented in this group are Republicans, Democrats, Independents. Issue crosses party lines. No basis of partisan politics. Intelligence officers deserve protection.
 
Colonel Patrick Lang is here. Made his bones in Vietnam; rose to the top ranks of running all DOD human intelligence service. Knows intelligence inside and out.
 
Patrick Lang speaks: I feel strongly about this case, not so much on a personal level. This is a structural assault on the ability of the united states to have effective intelligence services.
 
We're in a war that will go on for a long time. That kind of war involves people who go into subway systems with explosives. To fight these people, you need human beings who can find out what these people are going to do next. We're not doing this very well.
 
Why aren't we doing better? You need human beings to get other human beings to trust you. It's all about trust. To get information. The moment some person decides to trust you enough, to believe you will protect him, is a magic moment. Almost sacramental. Imposes on the base officers in the states obligations to protect the person in the field is absolute. Not only for morality but for practicality. If a unit believe their superiors will not protect identities, a circle of doubt begins to spread. Intelligence service gets a reputation of not protectings its people and assets, you won't get anything.
 
In a strange kind of way, the intelligence community is a community of the well informed. They know if the clandestine services of another country will protect them. The Soviets used to be good at this; the KGB never gave up an agent. That's because if they didn't, their sources would dry up.
 
To disclose the identity of a covert officer for political reasons--this goes around the world. No one will trust you. No possibility of penetrating jihadi groups. Trust gone forever.
 
10:52 Larry Johnson: I wouldn't be here today if President had upheld his oath to protect and defend the Constitution. If he had put word out to stop the political attacks. But we've seen the most malicious smear campaign against Wilson and Valerie Plame. When I see a group of mostly men ganging up on one woman, that to me is a group of bullies.
 
Political operative went after intelligence operative for political reasons, did terrific damage to the United States.  
 
It's this lie I want to put to bed that Plame was not undercover--it is inappropriate for Senators and others to go on television and say this incident is insignificant, and mislead American people. People who have said Plame was not really undercover were not in a position to know. Desk jockey? That expression by people on intelligence committees to display such gross ignorance--do they not understand how the system works?
 
The Senate ingelligence committee fed this flame. I want to speak to the lie that Plame sent Wilson on the trip to Niger. Laughable. Valerie not a manager. When Cheney asked the CIA to look into the Iraq-Niger connection, the briefer goes to office directors, then they talk to divisions. Office deputy sent an email to Plame asking if her husband was available. She said yes. THAT email, responding to the question, is what has been used to claim that Plame sent her husband. 
 
11:00 Larry Johnson: In 2000 I voted for President Bush because I thought he would bring higher ethical standards. But what did he do? Instead of the President being first and foremost concerned with protecting this country, we have a president who is content to sit by and savage the reputations of people like Plame and Wilson. It would stop in a heartbeat if Bush would stop it.
 
11:01 Jim Marcinkowski: You're looking at a loss of trust. Can you ever recover? I'm talking about around the world. Coverage of this story --great detail is hard to follow. But some facts are undisputed.
 
We have irreparable damaged our ability to collect intelligence and protect America. The U.S. govt exposed the identity of a clandestine officer of the CIA. We have continued on the course of self-inflicted wounds, parlor games, at the expense of the safety of the American people.
 
No country, no hostile group, likes to be infiltrated or spied upon. That's what the CIA does. To operate undercover, you use a ruse. The degree of cover needed varies. When the FBI attempts to infiltrate an organized crime or drug ring, heavier  cover. No matter what the degree of cover, it provides safety. Also protect collection methodologies, also other people in contact with officer.
 
A case officer has to maintain his cover, because if it's not maintained he's going to expose the people he is working for.
 
11:09  Jim Marcinkowski: What has suffered irreversible damage is the effectiveness of officers in the field now. How can intelligence operatives by effective if their own government won't protect them?
 
While deference to legal niceties might satisfy some people, overseas it doesn't work. You can't explain "criminal intent" and "ignorance" to foreign nationals. The only thing that matters is, can you protect me if I do this for you. Legal niceties don't count.
 
U.S. exposed an operative. Damage continues every single day for two years. Failure to accept responsbility for this damages our intelligence operations every single day.
 
Each time the leader of a political party opens his mouth to deflect responsibility, the message is clear: Politics trumps national security. Every time time is wasted debating minutae, the damage is done. Prime-time patriots, partisan ninnies, display ignorance calling Plame a paper pusher. Playing partisan politics with "degree" of covert. You can fool the American public with distracting minutae, but you're not fooling people overseas.
 
Nonresponsibility means, we don't care. Loss of trust, loss of security, loss of agents. Simple message: before you shine up your American flag pin, think about what you are doing to the American people. A true patriot would simply shut up.
 
Those who take pride in their political ability ought to take responsibility for the continuing damage to our national security.
 
The message should be that we take safety of intelligence offices seriously. Instead, for two years we've sent a message of partisan bickering.
 
11:18  David MacMichael, former CIA case officer: My colleagues have emphasized trust and truth as essential. I've been best known as a critic of many aspects of covert operations.
 
Plausible deniability. There is a built in bias here. I want to emphasize the importance of protecting the individiuals who work in the system. The responsibility of the Congress here is to work to present the truth, and not to allow this system to be used not merely to smear an individual to conceal the truth from the American people. At bottom, what we are dealing with today, in the whole building to the current war, there has been shall we say, less than complete regard for the truth.
 
11:22 Sen. Byron Dorgan: People risk their lives, give their lives, for America. Mr. Johnson, you've mentioned "black passport," kind of get out of jail free card, provides protection of Geneva Convention. Plame became nonofficial officer, no diplomatic passport. Meant if traveling overseas could be executed or imprisoned. She was someone who had risk in her job. Could you describe, because others have tried to minimalize Plame.

Johnson: She was traveling overseas to meet with individuals. She was working in the area of chemical, biological, nuclear weapons.

Dorgan: Disclosing her allowed other countries to trackback and disclose other operations. Impact substantially beyond what we're discussing.

Johnson: This case, what we're discussing, after every incident like this there is a damage accessment done. That would have been filed with House Intelligence Committee. This was not about outing Valerie Plame. This will have damaged intelligence operations. That goes to heart of some of the threats we face today.

Dorgan: Somewhere there is a damage accessment report? You are saying that would have been made.

Johnson: Yes. 

11:32 Senator Waxman discusses White House history of prevarication on Iraq WMD and intelligence.
 
Marcinkowski: This hiding behind a criminal investigation doesn't make sense. We have at-will employees. You pick up the phone and you say goodbye.
 
The fact that nothing's been done. You can be anything short of a criminal. A CIA officer overseas is confronted with this: They aren't doing anything. Sit down with an asset and explain to them why people who breeched security are not in jail, but reporters are.
 
Waxman: The message is that the White House doesn't care about safety of intelligence operatives; their political lives are what they care about.
 
Johnson: Sends the wrong message.
 
11: 35 Lang: I don't think people understand the process. What does the USA mean to people being recruited to provide information. It means something that assets will be protected. When you make that bond, that's what makes good operations. All really good assets were made on the basis of trust. A human phenomenon of deep relationships and trust. Anything you do to make asset believe his fate will hang on the basis of law, that asset will be gone.
 
When you're collecting in wartime for actionable intelligence, for actions by enemies of the U.S. If you're messing around with the relationships it is a serious matter.
 
MacMichael: One of the things we have to look at in the congtext of the lead up to the Iraq War -- Ahmed Chalabi. That trust was abused by people with personal and political agenda. Lang is right that this trust relationship is important. Do not forget people have agendas of their own.
 
11: 45 Marcinkowski: When you talk to someone with information, the issue is security. It's not only security of individuals in that room, but families, children.
 
Slaughter: I recognize the damage done was profound. I would like to ask in all your years of experience have you ever had anything like this.
 
Johnson: This is unprecedented. Stone dropper in the water.
 
Slaughter: Maybe we can infer from that persons who work in the WH are notified as to what they can and cannot say.
 
Johnson: They are told that. You have the assumption that people in the white house are adults and not a bunch of petulant children. This bunch... fighting over baseball mitts. If they are given access to classified information, there are agreements they must sign.
 
Slaughter: I don't see any way out from this. ... After Paul O'Neill went on 60 Minutes, some documents were shown, White House screamed "classified!" Cheney demanded investigation.
 
I think our work is cut out for us. We have to demand that Congress do its job. I have a lot of faith in this prosecutor, but if it comes down to perjury, I don't think that's enough.
 
11:47 Russ Hold: How unusual is this? How is this different? Would a disclosure like this have been dealt with differently in the past? How might other countries have dealt with this? Congress does have an oversight role.
 
Johnson: This is unprecedented. The message is, we're going to do nothing. I say this as a registered Republican. I wish Howard Baker was back in the Senate. I wish someone in the Senate would stand up. But last night I saw John McCain making excuses. Where are men of integrity? I expect better behavior out of Republicans.
 
Lang: In the past, a junior officer disclosing information would be punished. When you get to this level, things stop being unauthorized disclosures. They become press releases. There has to be a way to discipline people. 
 
Waxman: Compounding this problem is not just that there was a disclosure. Agreement that Mr. Rove signed, there should be consequences. He should be fired. He should be kept from classified information. Instead, Republican put out talking points. They defend Rove, denigrate Plame. Let me go through some of these talking points.
 
First, that Plame wasn't really covert. Desk job. What is your reaction.
 
Johnson: It would be one thing if this were junior senator, but we're talking about Republican leadership. This is frightening.
 
Waxman: Can someone be a covert agent at a desk in Langely Virginia? Do you know for a fact?
 
Johnson: I was, until the day I walked out.
 
Marcinkowski: When you look at people in the CIA, you can be covert and still be in the CIA headquarters. There is no harm to that person's cover. It doesn't matter.
 
What's the matter with laws? I don't know if criminal laws are going to work. The fact that they're putting this out as talking points is just incredible. The fact that the Republican Party is involved should raise concerns. This is hurting us.
 
Waxman: They say Joe Wilson lied about Cheney sending him to Niger. Wilson didn't say that, but let's say this is right. Will that justify outing of agent.
 
Lang: No sir. It's a very common thing to operate in a working name outside, the fact that they're living at home, normal neighborhood, has nothing to do with functional cover.
 
Other point, I don't think it has any relevance whatsoever. I don't see why it makes any difference. He went to Africa. Iraq and Niger, at one time Iraq trade delegation went to Niger, asked about uranium, Niger said no. That's the end of it.
 
Johnson: The sloppiness of the RNC; they didn't even take time to read the law.
 
Marcinkowski: Terms--what is the standard of the media of a confidential source? Source that confirms information is more important than source who provides information.
 
Waxman: This is just a political spat. No. Goes to the heart of going to war in Iraq. Saddam Hussein had nuclear capability because he was getting uranium from Niger -- Rice, don't let a smoking gun be a nuclear cloud -- they manipulated evidence that turned out to be not evidence at all, but a hoax. That's what Wilson revealed. They are willing to jeopardize our national security to get back at Wilson. An opportunity for them to blur any responsibiity or accountability.
 
How many more lives do you throw away if we're there for some ill-conceived reason?
 
Partisan politics should stop. After 9/11, Democrats and Republicans