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	<title>Comments on: Hersh v. Kaplan</title>
	<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/11/29/hersh-v-kaplan/</link>
	<description>Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration.</description>
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		<title>by: Steve M.</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/11/29/hersh-v-kaplan/#comment-896</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, here it is, in the little &quot;Victory&quot; booklet:

&lt;i&gt;•• No war has ever been won on a timetable and neither will this one.

• But lack of a timetable does not mean our posture in Iraq (both military and civilian) will remain static over time. As conditions change, our posture will change.

•• We expect, but cannot guarantee, that our force posture will change over the next year....&lt;/i&gt;

Translation:  We're &lt;i&gt;thinking&lt;/i&gt; about a timetable, but we're not actually &lt;i&gt;following&lt;/i&gt; one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, here it is, in the little &#8220;Victory&#8221; booklet:</p>
	<p><i>•• No war has ever been won on a timetable and neither will this one.</p>
	<p>• But lack of a timetable does not mean our posture in Iraq (both military and civilian) will remain static over time. As conditions change, our posture will change.</p>
	<p>•• We expect, but cannot guarantee, that our force posture will change over the next year&#8230;.</i></p>
	<p>Translation:  We&#8217;re <i>thinking</i> about a timetable, but we&#8217;re not actually <i>following</i> one.
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		<title>by: The Mahablog &#187; Live Blogging Bush</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/11/29/hersh-v-kaplan/#comment-894</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Hersh wins, looks like. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] Hersh wins, looks like. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Steve M.</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/11/29/hersh-v-kaplan/#comment-893</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm not sure Kaplan and Hersh are all that far apart.  Kaplan predicts an announcement of a timetable; &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/051205fa_fact&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hersh&lt;/a&gt; says Bush wants to &quot;stay the course,&quot; but he also says  plans are being drawn up for a withdrawal of ground forces:

&lt;i&gt; There are several proposals currently under review by the White House and the Pentagon; the most ambitious calls for American combat forces to be reduced from a hundred and fifty-five thousand troops to fewer than eighty thousand by next fall, with all American forces officially designated “combat” to be pulled out of the area by the summer of 2008.&lt;/i&gt;

I think what Hersh is saying is that Bush believes we're on the road to victory, dammit, and thus a drawdown  ought to be possible soon (even though it will require the replacement of ground fighting with air strikes).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m not sure Kaplan and Hersh are all that far apart.  Kaplan predicts an announcement of a timetable; <a HREF="http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/051205fa_fact" rel="nofollow">Hersh</a> says Bush wants to &#8220;stay the course,&#8221; but he also says  plans are being drawn up for a withdrawal of ground forces:</p>
	<p><i> There are several proposals currently under review by the White House and the Pentagon; the most ambitious calls for American combat forces to be reduced from a hundred and fifty-five thousand troops to fewer than eighty thousand by next fall, with all American forces officially designated “combat” to be pulled out of the area by the summer of 2008.</i></p>
	<p>I think what Hersh is saying is that Bush believes we&#8217;re on the road to victory, dammit, and thus a drawdown  ought to be possible soon (even though it will require the replacement of ground fighting with air strikes).
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		<title>by: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/11/29/hersh-v-kaplan/#comment-892</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This morning, I am simply struck by the absurdity of America listening so attentively for the latest utterings from this incompetent  bubble-man.  Reminds me of a bunch of adults hanging on every burp, coo-sound or fart from an infant.   America most needs to firmly remove this spoiled booby, I mean,  spoiled baby from the driver's seat....meanwhile, taking a clue from the Bush team, let's design a way to quietly leave him out of the loop of decision-making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This morning, I am simply struck by the absurdity of America listening so attentively for the latest utterings from this incompetent  bubble-man.  Reminds me of a bunch of adults hanging on every burp, coo-sound or fart from an infant.   America most needs to firmly remove this spoiled booby, I mean,  spoiled baby from the driver&#8217;s seat&#8230;.meanwhile, taking a clue from the Bush team, let&#8217;s design a way to quietly leave him out of the loop of decision-making.
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		<title>by: paradoctor</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/11/29/hersh-v-kaplan/#comment-890</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/11/29/hersh-v-kaplan/#comment-890</guid>
					<description>It doesn't matter what he does. Whatever he does, it'll go wrong because it's him doing it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter what he does. Whatever he does, it&#8217;ll go wrong because it&#8217;s him doing it!
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		<title>by: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/11/29/hersh-v-kaplan/#comment-889</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The Naval Academy speech will be more of the same &quot;stay the course&quot; dressed up a little.

Swami has it right. A month prior to the 2006 elections there'll be a token withdrawal heralded with hosannas from the usual 1001 administration shills. The Bushies will claim partial victory--- just as the Johnson and Nixon Administrations on numerous occasions in 'Nam.

The neo-cons will leave it to the next administration to withdraw troops. When Iraq totally disintegrates the conservatives will blame Fifth Column liberals and weak-kneed Dems for not pursuing the original disasterous plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Naval Academy speech will be more of the same &#8220;stay the course&#8221; dressed up a little.</p>
	<p>Swami has it right. A month prior to the 2006 elections there&#8217;ll be a token withdrawal heralded with hosannas from the usual 1001 administration shills. The Bushies will claim partial victory&#8212; just as the Johnson and Nixon Administrations on numerous occasions in &#8216;Nam.</p>
	<p>The neo-cons will leave it to the next administration to withdraw troops. When Iraq totally disintegrates the conservatives will blame Fifth Column liberals and weak-kneed Dems for not pursuing the original disasterous plan.
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		<title>by: The Heretik</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/11/29/hersh-v-kaplan/#comment-887</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 04:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;WAR STORIES&lt;/strong&gt;

 OWNING A WAR is tough for Democrats and Republicans alike. Hillary Clinton is owning up to her vote for the war and still thinks we need to finish what we started. Donald Rumsfeld who went to war with the</description>
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	<p> OWNING A WAR is tough for Democrats and Republicans alike. Hillary Clinton is owning up to her vote for the war and still thinks we need to finish what we started. Donald Rumsfeld who went to war with the
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		<title>by: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/11/29/hersh-v-kaplan/#comment-886</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 04:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think he will talk about bringing the troops home, but will not offer any sort of time table. I think he will draw them down to about 100,000 before the 2006 elections to try to shore up GOP chances, but I also predict that it won't work. To control the country we need more troops than are there now, (which we will also never get,) so I predict it will go worse than ever and will not look good for anyone. As the troops are only there as security for big oil there is never going to be any real intention to bring them home, after the elections they will be sent back for 3rd, 4th, and 5th tours...unending tours for as long as it takes to siphon off all the oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think he will talk about bringing the troops home, but will not offer any sort of time table. I think he will draw them down to about 100,000 before the 2006 elections to try to shore up GOP chances, but I also predict that it won&#8217;t work. To control the country we need more troops than are there now, (which we will also never get,) so I predict it will go worse than ever and will not look good for anyone. As the troops are only there as security for big oil there is never going to be any real intention to bring them home, after the elections they will be sent back for 3rd, 4th, and 5th tours&#8230;unending tours for as long as it takes to siphon off all the oil.
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		<title>by: merciless</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/11/29/hersh-v-kaplan/#comment-885</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 04:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/11/29/hersh-v-kaplan/#comment-885</guid>
					<description>Thanks, Maha, for the live blog tomorrow.  I'll be at stupid work, so I won't be able to watch his facial tics, his fidgeting, and worst of all, his insufferable smirks (which he always does at the most inappropriate moments--watch!  When he talks about death and destruction, he smiles!)

You are the woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks, Maha, for the live blog tomorrow.  I&#8217;ll be at stupid work, so I won&#8217;t be able to watch his facial tics, his fidgeting, and worst of all, his insufferable smirks (which he always does at the most inappropriate moments&#8211;watch!  When he talks about death and destruction, he smiles!)</p>
	<p>You are the woman.
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		<title>by: justme</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/11/29/hersh-v-kaplan/#comment-884</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/11/29/hersh-v-kaplan/#comment-884</guid>
					<description>I tend to think Hersh is closer to correct about this considering there have been bases built there that are meant to last long term, and that those bases are there to protect their investment (Iraqs oil which bush and co. now owns). 

 Bush will have his peons tell us whatever bullshit they think will shut us up,while they just do whatever the hell they want.MAYBE, MAYBE if the political pressure gets hot near election time they will throw us a bone and draw down the numbers until right after the elections..maybe there will be some huge &quot;mission accomplished&quot; moment but it will be as meaningless as the last one,, and I for one am sick of buying banners for this asshole to stand in front of while he lies..

 As for the thought of them replacing boots on the ground with air power,,I think this is the part that makes me terrified for the people stuck in that hellhole that we have created for them....Can you even bare the thought of us putting the INNOCENT people of iraq thru more bombing now? Can you imagine your own life now if you were waiting for an airplane to drop bombs on your neighborhood whenever?How is doing this to the innocent people of Iraq going to make us safer? Where is the humanity?
  We made this huge mess in Iraq we can't solve and to keep it from getting messing for bush and to drop our body count so the reps can try to win the election in 06, lets just drop bombs on neighborhoods..Good friggin plan ..
   This is SICK ..what we are doing in Iraq is SICK .What we are doing to our troops is SICK .One bomb at a time we are performing one giant late term abortion on a whole country full of born PEOPLE....ok fine bush didn't lie ,, he just had bad intell ...we are killing our own and innocent iraqis for WRONG intell,,an unjustified war,, what the hell are we doing? Point to me one thing the iraqi people have ever done to harm us?Did they even have bad thoughts about us? I would say the American people had bad thoughts about Iraqis before the war , because no one seems to care about their lives now, but i would be willing to guess the iraqi people didn't think of us very much at all in their day to day lives, they were just trying to get by.Is there no mercy for them?Does it fit into gw's ego trip?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I tend to think Hersh is closer to correct about this considering there have been bases built there that are meant to last long term, and that those bases are there to protect their investment (Iraqs oil which bush and co. now owns). </p>
	<p> Bush will have his peons tell us whatever bullshit they think will shut us up,while they just do whatever the hell they want.MAYBE, MAYBE if the political pressure gets hot near election time they will throw us a bone and draw down the numbers until right after the elections..maybe there will be some huge &#8220;mission accomplished&#8221; moment but it will be as meaningless as the last one,, and I for one am sick of buying banners for this asshole to stand in front of while he lies..</p>
	<p> As for the thought of them replacing boots on the ground with air power,,I think this is the part that makes me terrified for the people stuck in that hellhole that we have created for them&#8230;.Can you even bare the thought of us putting the INNOCENT people of iraq thru more bombing now? Can you imagine your own life now if you were waiting for an airplane to drop bombs on your neighborhood whenever?How is doing this to the innocent people of Iraq going to make us safer? Where is the humanity?<br />
  We made this huge mess in Iraq we can&#8217;t solve and to keep it from getting messing for bush and to drop our body count so the reps can try to win the election in 06, lets just drop bombs on neighborhoods..Good friggin plan ..<br />
   This is SICK ..what we are doing in Iraq is SICK .What we are doing to our troops is SICK .One bomb at a time we are performing one giant late term abortion on a whole country full of born PEOPLE&#8230;.ok fine bush didn&#8217;t lie ,, he just had bad intell &#8230;we are killing our own and innocent iraqis for WRONG intell,,an unjustified war,, what the hell are we doing? Point to me one thing the iraqi people have ever done to harm us?Did they even have bad thoughts about us? I would say the American people had bad thoughts about Iraqis before the war , because no one seems to care about their lives now, but i would be willing to guess the iraqi people didn&#8217;t think of us very much at all in their day to day lives, they were just trying to get by.Is there no mercy for them?Does it fit into gw&#8217;s ego trip?
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