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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/12/21/not-knowing-when-to-quit/comment-page-1/#comment-1523</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the &quot;prez&#039;s&quot; confering with some democrats before doing this I like what is said at Wonkette. &quot;down here where the common people are, such actions are called &quot;criminal conspiracy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the &#8220;prez&#8217;s&#8221; confering with some democrats before doing this I like what is said at Wonkette. &#8220;down here where the common people are, such actions are called &#8220;criminal conspiracy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/12/21/not-knowing-when-to-quit/comment-page-1/#comment-1521</link>
		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Aldrich Ames -- In &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washtimes.com/national/20051222-122610-7772r.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this Washington Times article&lt;/a&gt;, Charles Hunt claims &quot;One of the most famous examples of warrantless searches in recent years was the investigation of CIA official Aldrich H. Ames, who ultimately pleaded guilty to spying for the former Soviet Union. That case was largely built upon secret searches of Ames&#039; home and office in 1993, conducted without federal warrants.&quot; 

Judd at Think Progress debunks the hunt article &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/22/myths-as-news/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, but doesn&#039;t mention Ames specifically.

But &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1994_rpt/ssci_ames.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this document from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence&lt;/a&gt; clearly says that the search of Ames&#039;s home and office was conducted in compliance with FISA -- 

&quot;Under applicable Attorney General guidelines, this meant that the FBI was able to seek authority under pertinent laws and Justice Department guidelines to employ a full array of investigative techniques against Ames. &lt;b&gt;For instance, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court issued orders authorizing electronic surveillance of Ames&#039;s office and residence&lt;/b&gt;.&quot;

Hmm, I think I&#039;ll put this in a post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Aldrich Ames &#8212; In <a href="http://www.washtimes.com/national/20051222-122610-7772r.htm" rel="nofollow">this Washington Times article</a>, Charles Hunt claims &#8220;One of the most famous examples of warrantless searches in recent years was the investigation of CIA official Aldrich H. Ames, who ultimately pleaded guilty to spying for the former Soviet Union. That case was largely built upon secret searches of Ames&#8217; home and office in 1993, conducted without federal warrants.&#8221; </p>
<p>Judd at Think Progress debunks the hunt article <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/22/myths-as-news/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, but doesn&#8217;t mention Ames specifically.</p>
<p>But <a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1994_rpt/ssci_ames.htm" rel="nofollow">this document from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence</a> clearly says that the search of Ames&#8217;s home and office was conducted in compliance with FISA &#8212; </p>
<p>&#8220;Under applicable Attorney General guidelines, this meant that the FBI was able to seek authority under pertinent laws and Justice Department guidelines to employ a full array of investigative techniques against Ames. <b>For instance, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court issued orders authorizing electronic surveillance of Ames&#8217;s office and residence</b>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm, I think I&#8217;ll put this in a post.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just run into some nonsense about Janet Reno issuing an invalid warrant to search Aldrich Ames&#039; place.  

I now know more about FISA law than I ever desired.  Anyone familiar with the Ames case and its implications?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just run into some nonsense about Janet Reno issuing an invalid warrant to search Aldrich Ames&#8217; place.  </p>
<p>I now know more about FISA law than I ever desired.  Anyone familiar with the Ames case and its implications?</p>
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		<title>By: Swami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11340.htm

Gamed, played, punked, chumped,manipulated or whatever.... this doesn&#039;t help my overbearing feeling of insignificance.</description>
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<p>Gamed, played, punked, chumped,manipulated or whatever&#8230;. this doesn&#8217;t help my overbearing feeling of insignificance.</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
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		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And that, my friends, is why MSNBC is on O’Reilly’s hit list.&lt;/i&gt;

That, and the fact that Olbermann calls O&#039;Reilly &quot;the big giant head.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And that, my friends, is why MSNBC is on O’Reilly’s hit list.</i></p>
<p>That, and the fact that Olbermann calls O&#8217;Reilly &#8220;the big giant head.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gus</title>
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		<dc:creator>gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And even it were true, it doesn&#039;t make it legal. Bonnie and Clyde robbed banks in the thirties and it&#039;s still illegal today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And even it were true, it doesn&#8217;t make it legal. Bonnie and Clyde robbed banks in the thirties and it&#8217;s still illegal today.</p>
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		<title>By: BruceH</title>
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		<dc:creator>BruceH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Maha said, &quot;...tonight two MSNBC programs got it right.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And that, my friends, is why MSNBC is on O&#039;Reilly&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://billoreilly.com/pg/jsp/general/mediadef.jsp;jsessionid=EDDBC7B5482F35D25356D55B2DBDB52E&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hit list&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Maha said, &#8220;&#8230;tonight two MSNBC programs got it right.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And that, my friends, is why MSNBC is on O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s <a href="http://billoreilly.com/pg/jsp/general/mediadef.jsp;jsessionid=EDDBC7B5482F35D25356D55B2DBDB52E" rel="nofollow">hit list</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: emel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evidently the FISA court is meeting to see if they have been gamed by tainted evidence being presented. Judge Luttig of the 4th circuit evidently feels he was gamed by one story being presented to him as rationale for Padilla&#039;s incarceration and another being presented to the grand jury in Miami. Sorta like the way this admin plays congress and the press: the use of selective information to manipulate the receiver into acting in the administration&#039;s behalf. About time we all start recognizing this pattern of behavior and rejecting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidently the FISA court is meeting to see if they have been gamed by tainted evidence being presented. Judge Luttig of the 4th circuit evidently feels he was gamed by one story being presented to him as rationale for Padilla&#8217;s incarceration and another being presented to the grand jury in Miami. Sorta like the way this admin plays congress and the press: the use of selective information to manipulate the receiver into acting in the administration&#8217;s behalf. About time we all start recognizing this pattern of behavior and rejecting it.</p>
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		<title>By: No More Mr. Nice Guy!</title>
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		<dc:creator>No More Mr. Nice Guy!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Spy Hard with a Vengeance&lt;/strong&gt;

&quot;If this were a dictatorship, it&#039;d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I&#039;m the dictator.&quot; --Pr... (Read more)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Spy Hard with a Vengeance</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;If this were a dictatorship, it&#8217;d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I&#8217;m the dictator.&#8221; &#8211;Pr&#8230; (Read more)</p>
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		<title>By: Swami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Righties didn&#039;t think that Valerie Plame was a covert agent either, but that didn&#039;t change her status under the law. And Alberto Gonzales&#039;s interpretation of the presidental wartime powers won&#039;t nescessarily be the final word in what those powers will be. I think Bush is probably going to get some clarification from the courts in the near future because issue too big to overlook.

I was happy to read that the two recent court descisions —intelligent design and Jose Padilla— were exposed by the court for the deceptions that they were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Righties didn&#8217;t think that Valerie Plame was a covert agent either, but that didn&#8217;t change her status under the law. And Alberto Gonzales&#8217;s interpretation of the presidental wartime powers won&#8217;t nescessarily be the final word in what those powers will be. I think Bush is probably going to get some clarification from the courts in the near future because issue too big to overlook.</p>
<p>I was happy to read that the two recent court descisions —intelligent design and Jose Padilla— were exposed by the court for the deceptions that they were.</p>
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