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	<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/12/30/take-the-cannoli/</link>
	<description>Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration.</description>
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		<title>by: Swami</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/12/30/take-the-cannoli/#comment-1688</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>All hail George Bush.. the first born of creation who has broken the bonds of accountibility. Every knee shall bow and tongue confess that George is the supreme Commander -in-Chief.

WOW...In theory, Bush and his minions have destroyed the concept of America. And Lincoln so foolishly prophesied that a government of the people,by the people and for the people shall not perish from the earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>All hail George Bush.. the first born of creation who has broken the bonds of accountibility. Every knee shall bow and tongue confess that George is the supreme Commander -in-Chief.</p>
	<p>WOW&#8230;In theory, Bush and his minions have destroyed the concept of America. And Lincoln so foolishly prophesied that a government of the people,by the people and for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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		<title>by: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/12/30/take-the-cannoli/#comment-1686</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>That's not very hopeful.</description>
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		<title>by: Frank Wilhoit</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/12/30/take-the-cannoli/#comment-1685</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>They are part of the Party propaganda machine.  There is always a propaganda machine and sometimes two, because there may be either a mass propaganda or an elite propaganda or both, according as the Party seeks to motivate mass action or elite action or both.  In our case I think it is both.

The civil war cannot be prevented.  Once you have promised people that you will place them above the law, they cannot be stood down.  The end game will play out precisely as it did in Rwanda, through mass action, neighbor against neighbor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>They are part of the Party propaganda machine.  There is always a propaganda machine and sometimes two, because there may be either a mass propaganda or an elite propaganda or both, according as the Party seeks to motivate mass action or elite action or both.  In our case I think it is both.</p>
	<p>The civil war cannot be prevented.  Once you have promised people that you will place them above the law, they cannot be stood down.  The end game will play out precisely as it did in Rwanda, through mass action, neighbor against neighbor.
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		<title>by: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/12/30/take-the-cannoli/#comment-1684</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Very interesting, Frank.  Where do you place the Coulters, Limbaughs, Faux News, etc., in this scenario.  Are they part of the Church/Party to assist in the killing?  And, for those of us who do not want to kill any one, how do we stop the killing without starting a civil war?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Very interesting, Frank.  Where do you place the Coulters, Limbaughs, Faux News, etc., in this scenario.  Are they part of the Church/Party to assist in the killing?  And, for those of us who do not want to kill any one, how do we stop the killing without starting a civil war?
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		<title>by: Frank Wilhoit</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/12/30/take-the-cannoli/#comment-1683</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bonnie gets most of it, but there are a couple of missing pieces.

Iraq was never about Iraq.  It was an allegory and a dress rehearsal.  The Iraqi people are neither beneficiaries nor victims.  They are not even spectators: they are scenery.  That is the real moral horror of Iraq.  That is also why the loss of Iraqi lives does not trouble Mr. Bush: they weren't really &quot;lives&quot; to begin with.

...AND NEITHER ARE WE.  Never lose sight of the fact that the end game is civil war here in America.

Totalitarianism is always and everywhere the same.  Historians make two mistakes: they focus on the local differences between totalitarian regimes, and they focus on the charismatic leaders.  But the differences are never significant, and the leaders are nonce figureheads who originate nothing.

Here is how totalitarianism goes.  The order in which things happen is extremely important and usually misconceived.

First you decide to kill people.

Then you decide WHICH people to kill, AFTER deciding to kill SOMEBODY: Jews, kulaks, niggers, faggots, liberals, whatever.

Then you decide WHY to kill them, AFTER deciding whom to kill.  This is where the pseudo-philosophies come in.

Then you decide which Church or Party to join to move you closer to the opportunity to do the killing.  The Church or the Party probably has a charismatic leader figure, but he is merely the penguin droppings on the tip of the iceberg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bonnie gets most of it, but there are a couple of missing pieces.</p>
	<p>Iraq was never about Iraq.  It was an allegory and a dress rehearsal.  The Iraqi people are neither beneficiaries nor victims.  They are not even spectators: they are scenery.  That is the real moral horror of Iraq.  That is also why the loss of Iraqi lives does not trouble Mr. Bush: they weren&#8217;t really &#8220;lives&#8221; to begin with.</p>
	<p>&#8230;AND NEITHER ARE WE.  Never lose sight of the fact that the end game is civil war here in America.</p>
	<p>Totalitarianism is always and everywhere the same.  Historians make two mistakes: they focus on the local differences between totalitarian regimes, and they focus on the charismatic leaders.  But the differences are never significant, and the leaders are nonce figureheads who originate nothing.</p>
	<p>Here is how totalitarianism goes.  The order in which things happen is extremely important and usually misconceived.</p>
	<p>First you decide to kill people.</p>
	<p>Then you decide WHICH people to kill, AFTER deciding to kill SOMEBODY: Jews, kulaks, niggers, faggots, liberals, whatever.</p>
	<p>Then you decide WHY to kill them, AFTER deciding whom to kill.  This is where the pseudo-philosophies come in.</p>
	<p>Then you decide which Church or Party to join to move you closer to the opportunity to do the killing.  The Church or the Party probably has a charismatic leader figure, but he is merely the penguin droppings on the tip of the iceberg.
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		<title>by: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/12/30/take-the-cannoli/#comment-1680</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bush's real reason for invading Iraq was, IMHO, nothing more than a campaign tool to win the next election (since he knew he never won the first one).  The man has no soul or humanity; thus, the loss of life is unimportant to him.   People thought Pinochet would never be held accountable.  Maybe we will luck out and he will be turned over to The Hague by some humanitarian government..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bush&#8217;s real reason for invading Iraq was, IMHO, nothing more than a campaign tool to win the next election (since he knew he never won the first one).  The man has no soul or humanity; thus, the loss of life is unimportant to him.   People thought Pinochet would never be held accountable.  Maybe we will luck out and he will be turned over to The Hague by some humanitarian government..
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		<title>by: Debra</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/12/30/take-the-cannoli/#comment-1678</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I doubt it was to &quot;revenge&quot; his pop since he doesn't seem to respect him.

I doubt if he will ever see the inside of the Hague, but censure and impeachment should definitely be in his future.  Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I doubt it was to &#8220;revenge&#8221; his pop since he doesn&#8217;t seem to respect him.</p>
	<p>I doubt if he will ever see the inside of the Hague, but censure and impeachment should definitely be in his future.  Please.
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		<title>by: joanr16</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/12/30/take-the-cannoli/#comment-1677</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>How I wish I believed... but there's no way Bush will face war crimes prosecution.  Is there?  Somebody give me a scenario.  (Ah, Louise Arbour, do we ever need you now!)

I always felt there was more than a little twitchy-eyed Michael Corleone &quot;You tried to kill my pop, now you have to die&quot; in Bush's true reasons for invading Iraq.  That much I can visualize.  Ick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How I wish I believed&#8230; but there&#8217;s no way Bush will face war crimes prosecution.  Is there?  Somebody give me a scenario.  (Ah, Louise Arbour, do we ever need you now!)</p>
	<p>I always felt there was more than a little twitchy-eyed Michael Corleone &#8220;You tried to kill my pop, now you have to die&#8221; in Bush&#8217;s true reasons for invading Iraq.  That much I can visualize.  Ick.
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		<title>by: Steve Nichols</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/12/30/take-the-cannoli/#comment-1676</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Does anyone know the real reasons we invaded Iraq?

The WMD issue is bullshit on its face, given that Blix had made two reports stating compliance and no WMD to the UN in the weeks before Bush wrote Congress saying the only way to protect us from Iraq was to invade.

As for protecting Saddam, Amnesty International wrote prior to the invasion:  &quot; Once again, the human rights record of a country is used selectively to legitimize military actions.&quot; 

USA/Iraq : Not in the name of human rights

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE140092002?open&amp;#38;of=ENG-IRQ

Finally, a lot of people before the invasion and since have raised security for Israel as a reason we went to war.  Even Fox News has repeatedly stated that Saddam supported terrorism by giving financial aid to the families of suicide bombers.

On the one hand I have trouble believing that the Israelis weren't smart enough to realize that invading Iraq was going to be a disaster, probably resulting in a civil war, a break up into 2 or 3 smaller states, Shiites with close ties to Iraq, instability and possibly war between Turkey and the Kurds, and Sunni Arab anger at the dispossession of Sunni Arabs. 

Is that what Ariel Sharon and the Israeli right wing believes is in Israel's best interests?  It's not like they weren't aware of these likelihoods, as Juan Cole and others were writing about this from the beginning.   

And I really doubt that we invaded without some serious conversations with Mr. Sharon.  He had to sign off on this, or the pro-Israeli lobby in the U.S. would have been howling.

So I'm left with the final impression that either Sharon stupidly agreed to a disastrous policy, or he believes that instability in the Middle East favors Israel (whose ex-commandos are training Kurds, btw).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Does anyone know the real reasons we invaded Iraq?</p>
	<p>The WMD issue is bullshit on its face, given that Blix had made two reports stating compliance and no WMD to the UN in the weeks before Bush wrote Congress saying the only way to protect us from Iraq was to invade.</p>
	<p>As for protecting Saddam, Amnesty International wrote prior to the invasion:  &#8221; Once again, the human rights record of a country is used selectively to legitimize military actions.&#8221; </p>
	<p>USA/Iraq : Not in the name of human rights</p>
	<p><a href='http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE140092002?open&amp;of=ENG-IRQ' rel='nofollow'>http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE140092002?open&amp;of=ENG-IRQ</a></p>
	<p>Finally, a lot of people before the invasion and since have raised security for Israel as a reason we went to war.  Even Fox News has repeatedly stated that Saddam supported terrorism by giving financial aid to the families of suicide bombers.</p>
	<p>On the one hand I have trouble believing that the Israelis weren&#8217;t smart enough to realize that invading Iraq was going to be a disaster, probably resulting in a civil war, a break up into 2 or 3 smaller states, Shiites with close ties to Iraq, instability and possibly war between Turkey and the Kurds, and Sunni Arab anger at the dispossession of Sunni Arabs. </p>
	<p>Is that what Ariel Sharon and the Israeli right wing believes is in Israel&#8217;s best interests?  It&#8217;s not like they weren&#8217;t aware of these likelihoods, as Juan Cole and others were writing about this from the beginning.   </p>
	<p>And I really doubt that we invaded without some serious conversations with Mr. Sharon.  He had to sign off on this, or the pro-Israeli lobby in the U.S. would have been howling.</p>
	<p>So I&#8217;m left with the final impression that either Sharon stupidly agreed to a disastrous policy, or he believes that instability in the Middle East favors Israel (whose ex-commandos are training Kurds, btw).
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		<title>by: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2005/12/30/take-the-cannoli/#comment-1672</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I wanted to live long enough to learn who Deep Throat.  Now, that I know that, my new goal is to live long enough to see Bush tried at The Hague for crimes against humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I wanted to live long enough to learn who Deep Throat.  Now, that I know that, my new goal is to live long enough to see Bush tried at The Hague for crimes against humanity.
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