Comments on: Control http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/ Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration. Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:49:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: The Mahablog » Some Things Can’t Be Legislated Away http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-321934 Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:45:15 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-321934 [...] This isn’t actually news — I’ve been ranting about it for years (such as here and here) — but it’s in the news. Elisabeth Rosenthal writes in yesterday’s New York Times – A comprehensive global study of abortion has concluded that abortion rates are similar in countries where it is legal and those where it is not, suggesting that outlawing the procedure does little to deter women seeking it. [...] […] This isn’t actually news — I’ve been ranting about it for years (such as here and here) — but it’s in the news. Elisabeth Rosenthal writes in yesterday’s New York Times – A comprehensive global study of abortion has concluded that abortion rates are similar in countries where it is legal and those where it is not, suggesting that outlawing the procedure does little to deter women seeking it. […]

]]> by: Legislators pro-life until it costs money... - Debate Politics Forums http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-239479 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:44:30 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-239479 [...] Originally Posted by Cremaster77 You're grasping at straws here regarding the number of abortions not changing. The article that you yourself posted shows that making abortions illegal would result in 10's of thousands of additional births. Saying that it's just the demographics that change is a crock. In order for demographics to account for these additional births while actually not preventing abortions, it would mean that there are an equal number of women with money who are currently NOT getting abortions when they abortions are legal who are only deciding to get abortions for which they have to travel out of state once they are illegal. That is the only way that out-of-state abortions would offset the additional births this study showed so that the total number of abortions remains the same. By posting this article, you refuted one of the key points you've been trying to make since you've been posting here. And I do find it offensive the legislators are so easily pushed off of their pro-life stance. But that's an easy point without need for much discussion. The more important point of this article is that it shows that making abortions illegal prevents abortions. Imagine that. May I point out that it is the legislators' estimates of the number of increase in births, and legislators' belief in the outcome of their passing laws is often off the mark. It is commonly known that legislators believe that the mere act of passing a law changes the actions of the populace. Perhaps you are too young to remember when legislators changed speed limits to 55mph in order to save gasoline; I will remind you that very few obeyed the speed limits. Kind of like prohibition of which you might have heard. One only needs to look at Latin America where abortion is criminal to see what effect criminalizing abortion has on abortion rates. The Mahablog » Control [...] […] Originally Posted by Cremaster77 You’re grasping at straws here regarding the number of abortions not changing. The article that you yourself posted shows that making abortions illegal would result in 10’s of thousands of additional births. Saying that it’s just the demographics that change is a crock. In order for demographics to account for these additional births while actually not preventing abortions, it would mean that there are an equal number of women with money who are currently NOT getting abortions when they abortions are legal who are only deciding to get abortions for which they have to travel out of state once they are illegal. That is the only way that out-of-state abortions would offset the additional births this study showed so that the total number of abortions remains the same. By posting this article, you refuted one of the key points you’ve been trying to make since you’ve been posting here. And I do find it offensive the legislators are so easily pushed off of their pro-life stance. But that’s an easy point without need for much discussion. The more important point of this article is that it shows that making abortions illegal prevents abortions. Imagine that. May I point out that it is the legislators’ estimates of the number of increase in births, and legislators’ belief in the outcome of their passing laws is often off the mark. It is commonly known that legislators believe that the mere act of passing a law changes the actions of the populace. Perhaps you are too young to remember when legislators changed speed limits to 55mph in order to save gasoline; I will remind you that very few obeyed the speed limits. Kind of like prohibition of which you might have heard. One only needs to look at Latin America where abortion is criminal to see what effect criminalizing abortion has on abortion rates. The Mahablog » Control […]

]]> by: The Mahablog » Chao-chou’s Dog Has Puppies http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-3996 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:51:19 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-3996 [...] I have written in the past (such as here) why I think abortion should be legal, at least until the fetus is viable. My opinion is based mostly on the effects of abortion law in the lives of women. You might notice I don’t spin my wheels much over the question of morality, since I’ve come to see that morality depends on the state of mind in which one acts as much as the act itself. People do “good” things for selfish reasons, and “bad” things for altruistic reasons. Judge not, lest ye be judged. [...] […] I have written in the past (such as here) why I think abortion should be legal, at least until the fetus is viable. My opinion is based mostly on the effects of abortion law in the lives of women. You might notice I don’t spin my wheels much over the question of morality, since I’ve come to see that morality depends on the state of mind in which one acts as much as the act itself. People do “good” things for selfish reasons, and “bad” things for altruistic reasons. Judge not, lest ye be judged. […]

]]> by: Swami http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-1904 Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:48:54 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-1904 http://www.sptimes.com/2006/01/07/Opinion/_Roe__is_a_gift_to_Re.shtml http://www.sptimes.com/2006/01/07/Opinion/_Roe__is_a_gift_to_Re.shtml

]]> by: Donna http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-1892 Sat, 07 Jan 2006 04:15:11 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-1892 The most telling sign that they don't actually care about babies and care more about controlling those "trashy" women who want and expect to enjoy sex is that they don't support programs that support children AFTER they are born. Who gives a shit if they have healthcare, are fed, sheltered, clothed, and educated; you could even show them children dying in poverty and they'll ignore it. Suffering and even slow agonizing death is ok and as God intended, instead of letting women decide when they will be mothers and if they can care for any possible children. The most telling sign that they don’t actually care about babies and care more about controlling those “trashy” women who want and expect to enjoy sex is that they don’t support programs that support children AFTER they are born. Who gives a shit if they have healthcare, are fed, sheltered, clothed, and educated; you could even show them children dying in poverty and they’ll ignore it. Suffering and even slow agonizing death is ok and as God intended, instead of letting women decide when they will be mothers and if they can care for any possible children.

]]> by: Swami http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-1889 Sat, 07 Jan 2006 03:26:29 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-1889 The link above to the NARAL fact sheet is interesting. It shows that Alito really isn't too slick in hiding an agenda. Maybe he's tightened up his legal acumen in the past 20 years, but his attempt to decieve was weak in that legal interpetation. I agree, a women's right to choose has become a control issue. If anybody feels that the protection of the unborn is the true issue, than they should stand on that belief alone and not resort to schemes and deceptions to defend that belief. The link above to the NARAL fact sheet is interesting. It shows that Alito really isn’t too slick in hiding an agenda. Maybe he’s tightened up his legal acumen in the past 20 years, but his attempt to decieve was weak in that legal interpetation.

I agree, a women’s right to choose has become a control issue. If anybody feels that the protection of the unborn is the true issue, than they should stand on that belief alone and not resort to schemes and deceptions to defend that belief.

]]> by: WarriorMoM http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-1888 Sat, 07 Jan 2006 01:45:59 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-1888 Men aren't obsessed with sex. They're obsessed with fetishes (no, not a typo for fetis, read on) of body parts or women's clothing, etc., that let them feel in control of another human by objectifying part of her to replace their having to reconcile with the fact that she's a whole person...most men. In fact, many psychologists claim that fetishes are a weird thing that is normal. Huh. >>>"You aren’t going to budge the anti-abortion lawmakers with sordid tales of maternal mortality, of course, because they don’t care if women die. It’s more important to control women’s behavior and punish them for being sexual than to care about their health and well-being." Men aren’t obsessed with sex. They’re obsessed with fetishes (no, not a typo for fetis, read on) of body parts or women’s clothing, etc., that let them feel in control of another human by objectifying part of her to replace their having to reconcile with the fact that she’s a whole person…most men. In fact, many psychologists claim that fetishes are a weird thing that is normal. Huh.

>>>”You aren’t going to budge the anti-abortion lawmakers with sordid tales of maternal mortality, of course, because they don’t care if women die. It’s more important to control women’s behavior and punish them for being sexual than to care about their health and well-being.”

]]> by: Beware The Man » These Are the Facts On Abortion http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-1887 Sat, 07 Jan 2006 01:38:43 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-1887 [...] …and everyone knows it.  The rich are always going to have good clean access to them, and most of you don’t care enough to send your rep a letter regarding all the disquieting, discomforting realities of life. [...] […] …and everyone knows it.  The rich are always going to have good clean access to them, and most of you don’t care enough to send your rep a letter regarding all the disquieting, discomforting realities of life. […]

]]> by: erinyes http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-1886 Sat, 07 Jan 2006 00:20:10 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-1886 Sorry for getting distracted and goofing on our friend Justme a bit ( no harm intended), Maha. As a father of a 13 year old girl, I am very concerned about what might happen if Alito, or someone even more militant gets in. As a man, I would suggest that if you don't want kids, have your husband or partner "fixed". After my daughter was born ( she was unplanned, but a true blessing!) my wife asked me to get clipped, since she had carried the birth control for the previous 18 years. I thought that was fair. It was no real big deal, but I never imagined I'd like frozen peas so much! I went back to work a bit early and threw my back out, out side of that, no sweat.I guess that (among other things) makes me a custom model Sorry for getting distracted and goofing on our friend Justme a bit ( no harm intended), Maha. As a father of a 13 year old girl, I am very concerned about what might happen if Alito, or someone even more militant gets in.
As a man, I would suggest that if you don’t want kids, have your husband or partner “fixed”. After my daughter was born ( she was unplanned, but a true blessing!) my wife asked me to get clipped, since she had carried the birth control for the previous 18 years.
I thought that was fair. It was no real big deal, but I never imagined I’d like frozen peas so much! I went back to work a bit early and threw my back out, out side of that, no sweat.I guess that (among other things) makes me a custom model

]]> by: erinyes http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-1885 Fri, 06 Jan 2006 22:56:17 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/01/06/300/#comment-1885 WOW!!! All this time I thought I was preoccupied with sex by obsessing about it for 10 min each day! All my piggy brothers are running around thinking about sex and humping their pillows all day long...where do we find the time to get any work done?No wonder I can't find the time to change my oil, I mean just the thought of SCREWING on that new oil filter GETS ME SOOOO HOT!!And all that hot dirty oil running doen my leg OOPS, just soiled my undies again! Damn, this happens 20 or so times a day, and I keep tripping over my testicles to boot! Wow , would you look at the tits on that..... OOPS again! Help me! put me out of this testosterone induced lust rage... Just me, relax, have a glass of chianti and some nice fava beans. IT's not that bad....look into my eyes, come to butt head!! JEESH!!! WOW!!!
All this time I thought I was preoccupied with sex by obsessing about it for 10 min each day! All my piggy brothers are running around thinking about sex and humping their pillows all day long…where do we find the time to get any work done?No wonder I can’t find the time to change my oil, I mean just the thought of SCREWING on that new oil filter GETS ME SOOOO HOT!!And all that hot dirty oil running doen my leg OOPS, just soiled my undies again! Damn, this happens 20 or so times a day, and I keep tripping over my testicles to boot! Wow , would you look at the tits on that….. OOPS again!
Help me! put me out of this testosterone induced lust rage…
Just me, relax, have a glass of chianti and some nice fava beans.
IT’s not that bad….look into my eyes, come to butt head!!
JEESH!!!

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