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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/15/the-left-is-right-on-health-care/#comment-44669</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 04:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;but rather that there’s NO money in them. &lt;/i&gt;

That's absurd. There's plenty of money in them, which is why they flourish underground and across the border. Private insurance won't pay for most alternative theropies because most (with a few exceptions, possibly) of 'em don't work beyond a placebo effect.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>but rather that there’s NO money in them. </i></p>
	<p>That&#8217;s absurd. There&#8217;s plenty of money in them, which is why they flourish underground and across the border. Private insurance won&#8217;t pay for most alternative theropies because most (with a few exceptions, possibly) of &#8216;em don&#8217;t work beyond a placebo effect.</p>
	<p>Your theory needs work.
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		<title>by: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/15/the-left-is-right-on-health-care/#comment-44650</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 03:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>To start off with, I am not a proponent of single-payer healthcare.  
       If the politics in medicine (what's behind the scenes of the American public) were to be eliminated, then the prices would go down.  As one Dr. James Carter once stated, &quot;if a doctor dares to use a medical therapy [on a patient] no matter how inexpensive or safe,, organized medicine can target this doctor for revocation of his/ [her] license.&quot;
        Introduce alternative therapies--homeopathy, chiropractic, naturopathy, colonics, acupuncture, EDTA chelation, to name a few.  Relax the state boards and the FDA's &quot;gestapo&quot; tactics towards alternative therapies, begin teaching their legitimacy in medical schools. Let the competition (alternative therapies) into the medical realm. 
         Alas, I don't foresee any of the aforementioned ever happening--not because the said therapies are &quot;unscientific&quot; (as many mainstream medical professionals slander them), but rather that there's NO money in them.  (And that loss of money translates into taxes that government could have received.)
          So the politicians (proponents of &quot;universal&quot; health care) who say they &quot;care&quot; about the public make me wonder if they do indeed care about us at all.  
          Yes, the idea (universal health care) is a noble one.  Take the almighty dollar away, though, why would government even consider implementing one?  But the ordinary J. Q. Public must remain forever ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To start off with, I am not a proponent of single-payer healthcare.<br />
       If the politics in medicine (what&#8217;s behind the scenes of the American public) were to be eliminated, then the prices would go down.  As one Dr. James Carter once stated, &#8220;if a doctor dares to use a medical therapy [on a patient] no matter how inexpensive or safe,, organized medicine can target this doctor for revocation of his/ [her] license.&#8221;<br />
        Introduce alternative therapies&#8211;homeopathy, chiropractic, naturopathy, colonics, acupuncture, EDTA chelation, to name a few.  Relax the state boards and the FDA&#8217;s &#8220;gestapo&#8221; tactics towards alternative therapies, begin teaching their legitimacy in medical schools. Let the competition (alternative therapies) into the medical realm.<br />
         Alas, I don&#8217;t foresee any of the aforementioned ever happening&#8211;not because the said therapies are &#8220;unscientific&#8221; (as many mainstream medical professionals slander them), but rather that there&#8217;s NO money in them.  (And that loss of money translates into taxes that government could have received.)<br />
          So the politicians (proponents of &#8220;universal&#8221; health care) who say they &#8220;care&#8221; about the public make me wonder if they do indeed care about us at all.<br />
          Yes, the idea (universal health care) is a noble one.  Take the almighty dollar away, though, why would government even consider implementing one?  But the ordinary J. Q. Public must remain forever ignorant.
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		<title>by: renate</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/15/the-left-is-right-on-health-care/#comment-5190</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The three socialized system the rightie mentions includes Cuba. 

I don't know the cuban system, I do know Cuba is poor and America is rich and Cuba has a lower infant mortality than the USA and has enough physisians to send  thousands to Venezuela and Pakistan. To Pakistan to help earthquake victims. 

And we do know under the Batista regime the Cubans were as illiterate as other South American people.  Now they provide doctors and teachers to other poor nations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The three socialized system the rightie mentions includes Cuba. </p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t know the cuban system, I do know Cuba is poor and America is rich and Cuba has a lower infant mortality than the USA and has enough physisians to send  thousands to Venezuela and Pakistan. To Pakistan to help earthquake victims. </p>
	<p>And we do know under the Batista regime the Cubans were as illiterate as other South American people.  Now they provide doctors and teachers to other poor nations.
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/15/the-left-is-right-on-health-care/#comment-5183</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Re waiting lists -- there are waitings lists in the U.S., too, for many non-emergency procedures. Around here there's a 4- to 6-month waiting list for mammograms, for example. 

Once I was put on a six-week wait to get a fibroid tumor removed (that's a girl thing) but in fact did not wait the six weeks because I started to hemorrhage after five weeks and needed emergency surgery. 

When  woke up a nurse was leaning over me. &quot;Lady, are you lucky,&quot; she said. I couldn't ask her what she meant because of the dadblamed breathing tube, but I have my suspicions.

I wouldn't have blamed &quot;the system&quot; for the delay because usually fibroid tumors ain't no big deal, but during the wait I had called the doctors a couple of times because of excessive bleeding and was told I still had to wait the six weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re waiting lists &#8212; there are waitings lists in the U.S., too, for many non-emergency procedures. Around here there&#8217;s a 4- to 6-month waiting list for mammograms, for example. </p>
	<p>Once I was put on a six-week wait to get a fibroid tumor removed (that&#8217;s a girl thing) but in fact did not wait the six weeks because I started to hemorrhage after five weeks and needed emergency surgery. </p>
	<p>When  woke up a nurse was leaning over me. &#8220;Lady, are you lucky,&#8221; she said. I couldn&#8217;t ask her what she meant because of the dadblamed breathing tube, but I have my suspicions.</p>
	<p>I wouldn&#8217;t have blamed &#8220;the system&#8221; for the delay because usually fibroid tumors ain&#8217;t no big deal, but during the wait I had called the doctors a couple of times because of excessive bleeding and was told I still had to wait the six weeks.
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		<title>by: QrazyQat</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Again (I've mentioned it before) my experience with the Canadian helathcare system comes from my girlfriend's family.  Her mom fell, broke her hip and was at the time so decrepit she wasn't able to leave the hospital for the rest of her life -- 5 years, round the clock care, physical therapy, etc.  Cost $38 for the ambulance ride (and try riding an ambulance in the USA for 6 miles for $38).

Her son needed a hernia operation and was checked into a specialty clinic within a month and the operation was done.  Total cost: $0 (and that's Zero &lt;i&gt;Canadian&lt;/i&gt; dollars, which is even cheaper).

I have good US medical insurance through an extremely large pension plan with mega clout -- as a result I can go to a limited number of doctors and after my &lt;i&gt;$3,000 dollar deductible&lt;/i&gt; I &quot;only&quot; have to pay 20%.

Oh yeah, Canada's system sucks... sure it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Again (I&#8217;ve mentioned it before) my experience with the Canadian helathcare system comes from my girlfriend&#8217;s family.  Her mom fell, broke her hip and was at the time so decrepit she wasn&#8217;t able to leave the hospital for the rest of her life &#8212; 5 years, round the clock care, physical therapy, etc.  Cost $38 for the ambulance ride (and try riding an ambulance in the USA for 6 miles for $38).</p>
	<p>Her son needed a hernia operation and was checked into a specialty clinic within a month and the operation was done.  Total cost: $0 (and that&#8217;s Zero <i>Canadian</i> dollars, which is even cheaper).</p>
	<p>I have good US medical insurance through an extremely large pension plan with mega clout &#8212; as a result I can go to a limited number of doctors and after my <i>$3,000 dollar deductible</i> I &#8220;only&#8221; have to pay 20%.</p>
	<p>Oh yeah, Canada&#8217;s system sucks&#8230; sure it does.
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		<title>by: yank in london</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/15/the-left-is-right-on-health-care/#comment-5179</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I've lived in Britain for 13 years. For all but the first two years (when I was an expat employee on private insurance) my health care has come exclusively through the NHS. I'm not going to say it's perfect but I've had some health issues over the last couple of years and when I've really needed it the care has been there and it's been excellent (as long as you can handle a ward with 4 - 8 beds. Yes. I once had to wait 4-5 months for non-emergency knee surgery. Yes. I had to wait 3 months to have a cyst taken out of my eye.

But there is something to be said for never making a payment, never filling in a form. When you go to hospital they put you on a ward with only your name, address and Dr's info. When you leave you just ring a cab.

And it's truly universal access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve lived in Britain for 13 years. For all but the first two years (when I was an expat employee on private insurance) my health care has come exclusively through the NHS. I&#8217;m not going to say it&#8217;s perfect but I&#8217;ve had some health issues over the last couple of years and when I&#8217;ve really needed it the care has been there and it&#8217;s been excellent (as long as you can handle a ward with 4 - 8 beds. Yes. I once had to wait 4-5 months for non-emergency knee surgery. Yes. I had to wait 3 months to have a cyst taken out of my eye.</p>
	<p>But there is something to be said for never making a payment, never filling in a form. When you go to hospital they put you on a ward with only your name, address and Dr&#8217;s info. When you leave you just ring a cab.</p>
	<p>And it&#8217;s truly universal access.
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		<title>by: modus potus</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/15/the-left-is-right-on-health-care/#comment-5170</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Unfortunately, the public discussion quickly degrades into war-by-anecdote. It's a numbers game -- one in which U.S. health care is plainly overpriced and under-covered -- but in general the public doesn't do numbers. Given the vested interests involved, who will spare no expense in marketing their point of view, I'm pessimistic that any sort of sane solution will emerge. The drug/insurance/doctor/lawyer lobbies will corner the dialog using even more misspent healthcare dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Unfortunately, the public discussion quickly degrades into war-by-anecdote. It&#8217;s a numbers game &#8212; one in which U.S. health care is plainly overpriced and under-covered &#8212; but in general the public doesn&#8217;t do numbers. Given the vested interests involved, who will spare no expense in marketing their point of view, I&#8217;m pessimistic that any sort of sane solution will emerge. The drug/insurance/doctor/lawyer lobbies will corner the dialog using even more misspent healthcare dollars.
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/15/the-left-is-right-on-health-care/#comment-5169</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I wonder how many American women would benefit from that kind of after-birth support in place?&lt;/i&gt;

We get none, of course. And the last time I was paying attention to obstetric practices (which has been a while), there was a big push from somewhere to shove women out of the hospital &lt;b&gt;the next day&lt;/b&gt; after an uncomplicated childbirth. Back when I was having babies (my youngest is 21) the standard was 2 to 3 days, max.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I wonder how many American women would benefit from that kind of after-birth support in place?</i></p>
	<p>We get none, of course. And the last time I was paying attention to obstetric practices (which has been a while), there was a big push from somewhere to shove women out of the hospital <b>the next day</b> after an uncomplicated childbirth. Back when I was having babies (my youngest is 21) the standard was 2 to 3 days, max.
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		<title>by: A Canadian Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/15/the-left-is-right-on-health-care/#comment-5168</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;I believe most Canadians are comfortable with our health care system even though many of them like to gripe and whine about it. They don’t know how good they have it because they’ve never been denied coverage.&quot;

Amen to that.

Without going into the particulars of my situation, all I can say is that I am thankful every day to be living in Canada and paying my taxes for decent medical coverage. This being said, there are stories every day in our papers about unacceptable medical situations that are attributed to our medicare system. However, I suspect that such situations exist everywhere, including in countries like France and Norway. I am also sure that many more people in the States live with sickness and die to due to a lack of proper medical care than anywhere else in the Western world.

There are no foolproof solutions, but I think that the States has definitely shown the rest of the world which road NOT to take when it comes to keeping its population healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I believe most Canadians are comfortable with our health care system even though many of them like to gripe and whine about it. They don’t know how good they have it because they’ve never been denied coverage.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Amen to that.</p>
	<p>Without going into the particulars of my situation, all I can say is that I am thankful every day to be living in Canada and paying my taxes for decent medical coverage. This being said, there are stories every day in our papers about unacceptable medical situations that are attributed to our medicare system. However, I suspect that such situations exist everywhere, including in countries like France and Norway. I am also sure that many more people in the States live with sickness and die to due to a lack of proper medical care than anywhere else in the Western world.</p>
	<p>There are no foolproof solutions, but I think that the States has definitely shown the rest of the world which road NOT to take when it comes to keeping its population healthy.
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		<title>by: pat in japan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is my first time ever posting on a blog. Let's hope I add something to the debate. Btw, Maha, thanks for the insightful posts.

I've lived most of my adult life overseas--four years in London, the rest in Japan. My first two sons were born in London. They were born in a private hospital rather than the NHS. As expats we had private insurance as well and this hospital was one of the best for natural childbirth. After care took place through the NHS. Within a week of being discharged (five days in hospital for a natural birth/seven for a C section) a midwife visited me in my home to check me and my son. Affiliated with local GPs are health visitors. The ones I met were former midwives. They had scheduled hours when they were free for mothers and babies to drop in and talk one on one about any problems or issues regarding the baby and or themselves. After my second son was born,  the health visitor called me because she knew I had no family close by and simply wanted to check that I was doing okay and even came by to visit once. I wonder how many American women would benefit from that kind of after-birth support in place?

Here in Japan, everyone is covered. I go to any doctor I want and pay 30% of the cost for myself and my sons. My husband pays 20% as we're covered through his employment. You are either under health insurance provided by your employer or by the government. My municipality (home to Tokyo Disneyland, so a good corporate tax base) provides free health care for all children under the age of six. Prices are set for visits, treatments and medicine. A first visit to the pediatrician for strep throat for my 9yr. old this past Monday cost me 1,030 yen (less than $10). Follow up visits for the same condition will be about $5. Antibiotics for him for four days cost me 960 yen (about $8). My boys get sick, I go to the doctor the same day. It's first come first serve but I'm usually out with in an hour or an hour and a half. 

My friend in San Diego broke his collarbone on a Friday while skiing in New Mexico. He's CFO of a venture capitalist company, pulling six figures and living in La Jolla. At the nearest emergency care center, they packed his shoulder. While he made arrangements to fly back to San Diego (this was a holiday weekend) his wife called various orthopedic specialists in San Diego trying to get him an appt. She was told two weeks at the earliest. (Excuse me! He's supposed to walk around with a broken collarbone for two weeks?) His boss pulled strings to get him into a top specialist on Tuesday. He then had to figure out how to get his insurance to cover it since this doctor didn't accept that insurance. How can anybody claim America has the best system when stuff  like this happens?

Last, there's my mom with asthma who couldn't wait for Medicare to kick in at 65 since she paid $400 to stay insured with Kaiser and $200 plus for asthma medication. Too bad she only earns about $500 a month in social security. 

The American system is broken. There are better ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is my first time ever posting on a blog. Let&#8217;s hope I add something to the debate. Btw, Maha, thanks for the insightful posts.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ve lived most of my adult life overseas&#8211;four years in London, the rest in Japan. My first two sons were born in London. They were born in a private hospital rather than the NHS. As expats we had private insurance as well and this hospital was one of the best for natural childbirth. After care took place through the NHS. Within a week of being discharged (five days in hospital for a natural birth/seven for a C section) a midwife visited me in my home to check me and my son. Affiliated with local GPs are health visitors. The ones I met were former midwives. They had scheduled hours when they were free for mothers and babies to drop in and talk one on one about any problems or issues regarding the baby and or themselves. After my second son was born,  the health visitor called me because she knew I had no family close by and simply wanted to check that I was doing okay and even came by to visit once. I wonder how many American women would benefit from that kind of after-birth support in place?</p>
	<p>Here in Japan, everyone is covered. I go to any doctor I want and pay 30% of the cost for myself and my sons. My husband pays 20% as we&#8217;re covered through his employment. You are either under health insurance provided by your employer or by the government. My municipality (home to Tokyo Disneyland, so a good corporate tax base) provides free health care for all children under the age of six. Prices are set for visits, treatments and medicine. A first visit to the pediatrician for strep throat for my 9yr. old this past Monday cost me 1,030 yen (less than $10). Follow up visits for the same condition will be about $5. Antibiotics for him for four days cost me 960 yen (about $8). My boys get sick, I go to the doctor the same day. It&#8217;s first come first serve but I&#8217;m usually out with in an hour or an hour and a half. </p>
	<p>My friend in San Diego broke his collarbone on a Friday while skiing in New Mexico. He&#8217;s CFO of a venture capitalist company, pulling six figures and living in La Jolla. At the nearest emergency care center, they packed his shoulder. While he made arrangements to fly back to San Diego (this was a holiday weekend) his wife called various orthopedic specialists in San Diego trying to get him an appt. She was told two weeks at the earliest. (Excuse me! He&#8217;s supposed to walk around with a broken collarbone for two weeks?) His boss pulled strings to get him into a top specialist on Tuesday. He then had to figure out how to get his insurance to cover it since this doctor didn&#8217;t accept that insurance. How can anybody claim America has the best system when stuff  like this happens?</p>
	<p>Last, there&#8217;s my mom with asthma who couldn&#8217;t wait for Medicare to kick in at 65 since she paid $400 to stay insured with Kaiser and $200 plus for asthma medication. Too bad she only earns about $500 a month in social security. </p>
	<p>The American system is broken. There are better ways.
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