Comments on: Crabs in a Barrel http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/ Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:48:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: erinyes http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-6006 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 09:28:30 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-6006 Actually, I had zero interest in politics until Bush senior got in with his "thousand points of light" nonsense.I voted for him because of one issue...Capital gains.I was selfish, paid the price for my chioce, and learned a valuable lesson I now realize that most of our fellow Americans also didn't care much about politics, but George W has changed that profoundly. Perhaps the tide is turning, Catherine Harris' campaign for congress has crashed and burned.Of course a large part of the damage came as a result of her party dumping her, the football team had their way with the cheerleader, and as the song goes, "there's got to be a morning after". Jebbies' term is running out, she is weak against the incumbent, and she has the allure of a ten dollar street walker. Whomever gets in next will have quite a mess to clean up. Our local paper had a letter to the editor from reps. Feeney and Brown-Waite stating the Republicans are the "adults" in the political world.Wow....... Until next week...... Actually, I had zero interest in politics until Bush senior got in with his “thousand points of light” nonsense.I voted for him because of one issue…Capital gains.I was selfish, paid the price for my chioce, and learned a valuable lesson I now realize that most of our fellow Americans also didn’t care much about politics, but George W has changed that profoundly. Perhaps the tide is turning, Catherine Harris’ campaign for congress has crashed and burned.Of course a large part of the damage came as a result of her party dumping her, the football team had their way with the cheerleader, and as the song goes, “there’s got to be a morning after”. Jebbies’ term is running out, she is weak against the incumbent, and she has the allure of a ten dollar street walker.
Whomever gets in next will have quite a mess to clean up.
Our local paper had a letter to the editor from reps. Feeney and Brown-Waite stating the Republicans are the “adults” in the political world.Wow…….
Until next week……

]]> by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5998 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 02:39:20 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5998 I say again, we have to do it. Leaders and followers create and define each other. We have to find good people to vote for, and then get those people elected, and once those people are elected we have to keep pushing them toward doing the right thing. Politicians feel pressure from many sides; they have to feel secure that if they take a gutsy stand they will be supported. I think one of the reasons the Dems got so timid is that we ordinary people out in the boonies weren't able to watch them and react to what they were doing. So they got insulated and isolated. That's what has to change. I say again, we have to do it. Leaders and followers create and define each other. We have to find good people to vote for, and then get those people elected, and once those people are elected we have to keep pushing them toward doing the right thing. Politicians feel pressure from many sides; they have to feel secure that if they take a gutsy stand they will be supported. I think one of the reasons the Dems got so timid is that we ordinary people out in the boonies weren’t able to watch them and react to what they were doing. So they got insulated and isolated. That’s what has to change.

]]> by: erinyes http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5993 Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:03:03 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5993 Thanks for your answers. However, WE cannot do it. There are no more white knights, I don't believe in heroes, all men and women are with flaws and corruptable. What We must do is find a less corrupt individual, when it has reached the point that a person has to be a millionare to get into politics, the picture is mighty grim, we are at that point. When I asked who could take back the power from these creeps,Iwas serious, I don't know who in the political community is capable.If you have a suggestion, let me know...Please. Thanks for your answers.
However, WE cannot do it. There are no more white knights, I don’t believe in heroes, all men and women are with flaws and corruptable. What We must do is find a less corrupt individual, when it has reached the point that a person has to be a millionare to get into politics, the picture is mighty grim, we are at that point.
When I asked who could take back the power from these creeps,Iwas serious, I don’t know who in the political community is capable.If you have a suggestion, let me know…Please.

]]> by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5971 Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:41:21 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5971 <i>Interesting arguments Maha, looks like I need to do a bit of homework, but please explain “that it didn’t matter whether we had Bush or Gore for president”.</i> That was Nader's campaign message in 2000. He was wrong. <i>They “appeared” to agree on most things during the 2000 debates, Bush insisted on a “humble” foreign policy, we had the moronic “lock Box” issue regarding S.S.</i> The way they were presented by news media blurred the distinctions, yes, but *I* knew how different they were. Which leads me to suspect that anyone paying attention ought to have known how different they were. Nader's claim that both Gore and Bush were equally evil and corrupt was pure demagoguery. <i>I think it would have made a world of difference if Gore had won, ahem, I mean if Bush had not been appointed.I think the attack on 9/11 would NOT have happened, and Iraq would be under a second wave of brutal sanctions with weekly aerial bombardment.</i> The 9/11 attack might have happened, although Gore and his team (assuming he kept at least some of Clinton's anti-terrorism team) would have been far more alert to the warnings in the summer of 2001 than the Bushies were. The Bushies had dismantled a lot of the anti-terrorist policies of the Clintons, which left us more vulnerable. It's possible the 9/11 plot would have been stopped, just as Clinton stopped the Millenium bomber. We'll never know. We do know that a Gore team wouldn't have invaded Iraq, however. I see Nader as being morally bankrupt. Just an over-inflated ego eager for glory. He disgusts me. <i>So come on Maha, any input on who can take the Presidency back from these creeps?</i> WE can do it. If we sit around and wait for a white knight to rescue us, we're going to be waiting for a long time. WE have to take our country back, and WE have to put the politicians on notice that they answer to US. Interesting arguments Maha, looks like I need to do a bit of homework, but please explain “that it didn’t matter whether we had Bush or Gore for president”.

That was Nader’s campaign message in 2000. He was wrong.

They “appeared” to agree on most things during the 2000 debates, Bush insisted on a “humble” foreign policy, we had the moronic “lock Box” issue regarding S.S.

The way they were presented by news media blurred the distinctions, yes, but *I* knew how different they were. Which leads me to suspect that anyone paying attention ought to have known how different they were. Nader’s claim that both Gore and Bush were equally evil and corrupt was pure demagoguery.

I think it would have made a world of difference if Gore had won, ahem, I mean if Bush had not been appointed.I think the attack on 9/11 would NOT have happened, and Iraq would be under a second wave of brutal sanctions with weekly aerial bombardment.

The 9/11 attack might have happened, although Gore and his team (assuming he kept at least some of Clinton’s anti-terrorism team) would have been far more alert to the warnings in the summer of 2001 than the Bushies were. The Bushies had dismantled a lot of the anti-terrorist policies of the Clintons, which left us more vulnerable. It’s possible the 9/11 plot would have been stopped, just as Clinton stopped the Millenium bomber. We’ll never know. We do know that a Gore team wouldn’t have invaded Iraq, however.

I see Nader as being morally bankrupt. Just an over-inflated ego eager for glory. He disgusts me.

So come on Maha, any input on who can take the Presidency back from these creeps?

WE can do it. If we sit around and wait for a white knight to rescue us, we’re going to be waiting for a long time. WE have to take our country back, and WE have to put the politicians on notice that they answer to US.

]]> by: RadioClash http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5965 Sun, 02 Apr 2006 04:19:19 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5965 Well, I don't agree that the attack on 9-11 would not have happened on Gore's watch. I think it still would have come, just the response would have been radically different. The Neocons would still be huddled in their hamster holes, and Gore would not have touched Iraq other than with UN inspection teams. It would be a radically different world right now, if not for the Renquist Five. Well, I don’t agree that the attack on 9-11 would not have happened on Gore’s watch. I think it still would have come, just the response would have been radically different. The Neocons would still be huddled in their hamster holes, and Gore would not have touched Iraq other than with UN inspection teams. It would be a radically different world right now, if not for the Renquist Five.

]]> by: erinyes http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5958 Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:42:56 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5958 Interesting arguments Maha, looks like I need to do a bit of homework, but please explain "that it didn't matter whether we had Bush or Gore for president". They "appeared" to agree on most things during the 2000 debates, Bush insisted on a "humble" foreign policy, we had the moronic "lock Box" issue regarding S.S. I think it would have made a world of difference if Gore had won, ahem, I mean if Bush had not been appointed.I think the attack on 9/11 would NOT have happened, and Iraq would be under a second wave of brutal sanctions with weekly aerial bombardment. The Republicans were well on the way to having a majority in both houses, and Gore would have had a very rough time. The irony is that by getting the full load, the Republicans have shown how truly corrupt the party is.Crabs in a barrel, ultimate karma. Your point about Nader accepting Corporate and republican money...Does that make him a tool, or was he using them as his tool? Guess we'll never know.... So come on Maha, any input on who can take the Presidency back from these creeps? Interesting arguments Maha, looks like I need to do a bit of homework, but please explain “that it didn’t matter whether we had Bush or Gore for president”.
They “appeared” to agree on most things during the 2000 debates, Bush insisted on a “humble” foreign policy, we had the moronic “lock Box” issue regarding S.S.
I think it would have made a world of difference if Gore had won, ahem, I mean if Bush had not been appointed.I think the attack on 9/11 would NOT have happened, and Iraq would be under a second wave of brutal sanctions with weekly aerial bombardment.
The Republicans were well on the way to having a majority in both houses, and Gore would have had a very rough time.
The irony is that by getting the full load, the Republicans have shown how truly corrupt the party is.Crabs in a barrel, ultimate karma.
Your point about Nader accepting Corporate and republican money…Does that make him a tool, or was he using them as his tool?
Guess we’ll never know….
So come on Maha, any input on who can take the Presidency back
from these creeps?

]]> by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5946 Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:50:18 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5946 <i>Most of the links seem to point out Nader was a “spoiler”, stealing Gores’ votes.</i> It's more than that, although by now anyone who still thinks Ralph was right in 2000 -- that it didn't matter whether we had Bush or Gore for President -- needs a serious time out. Ralph allowed himself to be a tool for the Right by accepting corporate and Republican campaign money. Further, he has a tin ear for women's issues; he's pooh-poohed the rightie threat to Roe v. Wade for years. I admired him when I was a college student, but that was a couple of centuries ago. I don't have any use for him now. Most of the links seem to point out Nader was a “spoiler”, stealing Gores’ votes.

It’s more than that, although by now anyone who still thinks Ralph was right in 2000 — that it didn’t matter whether we had Bush or Gore for President — needs a serious time out. Ralph allowed himself to be a tool for the Right by accepting corporate and Republican campaign money. Further, he has a tin ear for women’s issues; he’s pooh-poohed the rightie threat to Roe v. Wade for years. I admired him when I was a college student, but that was a couple of centuries ago. I don’t have any use for him now.

]]> by: The Mahablog » April Fools http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5938 Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:43:32 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5938 [...] Yesterday I mentioned in &#8220;Crabs in a Barrel&#8221; that &#8220;John Podhoretz of the National Review criticizes the just-released Jill Carroll for not being anti-Muslim enough.&#8221; Podhoretz was just the beginning, however. [...] […] Yesterday I mentioned in “Crabs in a Barrel” that “John Podhoretz of the National Review criticizes the just-released Jill Carroll for not being anti-Muslim enough.” Podhoretz was just the beginning, however. […]

]]> by: erinyes http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5937 Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:46:34 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5937 Thanks for the links Maha. Most of the links seem to point out Nader was a "spoiler", stealing Gores' votes. Admittedly, Nader isn't perfect, and far from it, but the Republicans, except for (perhaps) Chuck Hagel and Ron Paul are totally detached from reality. The Democrats have Hillary ( a turd in the hot tub) Kerry/Edwards (Rocky and Bullwinkle), and who else? We "appear" to be totally screwed. If I could move off to some far away place and watch the disintegration of America from afar, I'd do so.... But NOBODY wants a 51 year old white boy that ain't rich. Thanks for the links Maha.
Most of the links seem to point out Nader was a “spoiler”, stealing Gores’ votes. Admittedly, Nader isn’t perfect, and far from it, but the Republicans, except for (perhaps) Chuck Hagel and Ron Paul are totally detached from reality. The Democrats have Hillary ( a turd in the hot tub) Kerry/Edwards (Rocky and Bullwinkle), and who else?
We “appear” to be totally screwed. If I could move off to some far away place and watch the disintegration of America from afar, I’d do so….
But NOBODY wants a 51 year old white boy that ain’t rich.

]]> by: Hostile Elder http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5936 Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:14:42 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/03/31/crabs-in-a-barrel/#comment-5936 "(W)e don’t know what to do, and so we do nothing." - Jay Bookman Yet it will get done -- and we won't like it. - Hostile Elder “(W)e don’t know what to do, and so we do nothing.” - Jay Bookman

Yet it will get done — and we won’t like it. - Hostile Elder

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