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		<title>By: The Mahablog &#187; New York, New York</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/04/27/stone-cold-crazy-bitch/comment-page-1/#comment-13834</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mahablog &#187; New York, New York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 14:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And then there&#8217;s the other New York City, populated by ultra-liberal moonbats who have forgotten September 11 and who roll over for terrorists and would surrender if attacked. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: No More Mr. Nice Guy!</title>
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		<dc:creator>No More Mr. Nice Guy!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 01:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe the wild-eyed conspiracy theories about 9/11, but there&#039;s no doubt that there is a great deal the Bush regime is covering up. For example, Muhammed Atta&#039;s magic passport, found sitting unsinged on top of several tons of rubble when the plane he arrived in was vaporized - or the mile-wide trail of credit card transactions from a supposed team of crack terrorists, and the Arabic-language flight manual magically found in a car at Boston&#039;s Logan Airport - or the airline put options, which were all over the news for several days and then just suddenly vanished into the memory hole - did the trail point towards some powerful Bush crony?

It wouldn&#039;t surprise me in the least to learn that elements in the administration knew about the attacks in advance, and decided to let them happen and profit from them.

Anyway, I haven&#039;t yet made plans to watch United 93, but I was very impressed by another Paul Greengrass film, Bloody Sunday, about a massacre of Irish civil rights marches by the British Army in 1972. That was my &quot;9/11&quot; when I was growing up in Ireland - obviously it was on a smaller scale, but there was the same sense of shock and disbelief throughout Ireland. And the political crisis could have been resolved peacefully before Bloody Sunday if the Brits had given an inch - instead they went in with all guns blazing, their bloodthirstiness and stupidity leading to the appearance of the IRA and 30 years of upheaval. How sad that the powers that be never learn anything from history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe the wild-eyed conspiracy theories about 9/11, but there&#8217;s no doubt that there is a great deal the Bush regime is covering up. For example, Muhammed Atta&#8217;s magic passport, found sitting unsinged on top of several tons of rubble when the plane he arrived in was vaporized &#8211; or the mile-wide trail of credit card transactions from a supposed team of crack terrorists, and the Arabic-language flight manual magically found in a car at Boston&#8217;s Logan Airport &#8211; or the airline put options, which were all over the news for several days and then just suddenly vanished into the memory hole &#8211; did the trail point towards some powerful Bush crony?</p>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t surprise me in the least to learn that elements in the administration knew about the attacks in advance, and decided to let them happen and profit from them.</p>
<p>Anyway, I haven&#8217;t yet made plans to watch United 93, but I was very impressed by another Paul Greengrass film, Bloody Sunday, about a massacre of Irish civil rights marches by the British Army in 1972. That was my &#8220;9/11&#8243; when I was growing up in Ireland &#8211; obviously it was on a smaller scale, but there was the same sense of shock and disbelief throughout Ireland. And the political crisis could have been resolved peacefully before Bloody Sunday if the Brits had given an inch &#8211; instead they went in with all guns blazing, their bloodthirstiness and stupidity leading to the appearance of the IRA and 30 years of upheaval. How sad that the powers that be never learn anything from history.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/04/27/stone-cold-crazy-bitch/comment-page-1/#comment-7213</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have New Yorker friends for whom the promos are causing panic attacks. I&#039;m glad that, by all accounts, it&#039;s a well made movie that&#039;s not exploitive, but reviewers who attended the premier all say it&#039;s very difficult to sit through. Good for the director and all involved with the project -- I&#039;m sure it&#039;s a good film, but I have no intention of seeing it. (I prefer my movies to have dancing kittens and bunnies, frankly.)

I live in Manhattan, I don&#039;t need a movie to remind me what happened. The Catholic church two blocks from my apartment has cross made out of cross beams from the WTC sitting in its yard, on a street that&#039;s been unofficially renamed &quot;Heroes of 9/11 Way.&quot; You can&#039;t avoid discussion of 9/11 anyway because it&#039;s local news here, almost every day. You know reconstruction only just started this week, because the government, the victims families, and the developer have all been at war for two years trying to hash out the details. Many architects have said publicly that the Freedom Tower is a phenomenally bad idea. There&#039;s still some kind of problem with the memorial construction, such that Governor Pataki has to get on TV every couple of weeks to assure people that it will still be built.

And we in New York have to deal with the fact that anti-terrorism funding is still too low, that the NYPD is ill-equipped to deal with another attack, that the port in nearby Elizabeth, NJ, still lets in a lot of cargo without checking it sufficiently. We&#039;re told to be on the lookout for suspicious activity, and everyone&#039;s so on edge that earlier this week, the N train shut down because the ink bomb thingy from a bank robbery exploded in a subway car and the cops thought it was a tear gas bomb at first. So that&#039;s what the Patriot Act and spying on those evil brown people did for us. Every time there&#039;s a minor incident, it becomes increasingly clear that we&#039;re not prepared should there be another attack. 

Which is to say... good for the movie, but I don&#039;t have to see it to demonstrate that I care or to show I love freedom or whatever. And clearly I love freedom more than Debbie does, since she wants her civil liberties abridged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have New Yorker friends for whom the promos are causing panic attacks. I&#8217;m glad that, by all accounts, it&#8217;s a well made movie that&#8217;s not exploitive, but reviewers who attended the premier all say it&#8217;s very difficult to sit through. Good for the director and all involved with the project &#8212; I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s a good film, but I have no intention of seeing it. (I prefer my movies to have dancing kittens and bunnies, frankly.)</p>
<p>I live in Manhattan, I don&#8217;t need a movie to remind me what happened. The Catholic church two blocks from my apartment has cross made out of cross beams from the WTC sitting in its yard, on a street that&#8217;s been unofficially renamed &#8220;Heroes of 9/11 Way.&#8221; You can&#8217;t avoid discussion of 9/11 anyway because it&#8217;s local news here, almost every day. You know reconstruction only just started this week, because the government, the victims families, and the developer have all been at war for two years trying to hash out the details. Many architects have said publicly that the Freedom Tower is a phenomenally bad idea. There&#8217;s still some kind of problem with the memorial construction, such that Governor Pataki has to get on TV every couple of weeks to assure people that it will still be built.</p>
<p>And we in New York have to deal with the fact that anti-terrorism funding is still too low, that the NYPD is ill-equipped to deal with another attack, that the port in nearby Elizabeth, NJ, still lets in a lot of cargo without checking it sufficiently. We&#8217;re told to be on the lookout for suspicious activity, and everyone&#8217;s so on edge that earlier this week, the N train shut down because the ink bomb thingy from a bank robbery exploded in a subway car and the cops thought it was a tear gas bomb at first. So that&#8217;s what the Patriot Act and spying on those evil brown people did for us. Every time there&#8217;s a minor incident, it becomes increasingly clear that we&#8217;re not prepared should there be another attack. </p>
<p>Which is to say&#8230; good for the movie, but I don&#8217;t have to see it to demonstrate that I care or to show I love freedom or whatever. And clearly I love freedom more than Debbie does, since she wants her civil liberties abridged.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just spent a little time treading through the Attywood comments.  I wonder if the director of the movie knows what he&#039;s in for.</description>
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		<title>By: PurpleGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>PurpleGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Maha.  

Two things:  There was a movie made for A&amp;E.  It was shown, I believe, in March.  It is being reshown this weekend.  They did a fair bit of advertising for it on A&amp;E, History and Discovery channels, IIRC. I didn&#039;t watch it. I was sick that morning and stayed home from work (in Manhattan) and didn&#039;t know what was happening in Manhattan until the afternoon.  The Towers were a landmark for so many things that you cannot escape their absence on the skyline. (I have several friends who should have been in the vicinity that day and were saved by either not being at work or on the way to work. Another friend&#039;s son went to Stuyvesant HS.)

As to the memorial:  Several months ago there was a long thread at TBogg about the people protesting the shape of the proposed memorial.  That thread then had a sibling thread at Making Light.  Both grew to hundreds of comments. Absolutely insane reactions from the wingnuts about the memorial. I saw the other day (I don&#039;t remember where) that a congresscritter from Delaware (IIRC) doesn&#039;t want the federal government to buy the land needed for the memorial and doesn&#039;t one built, period. The land purchase is part of a new Interior Department appropriations bill coming up in Congress in the next few weeks.

The attack makes my heart sick, and all the crap from the wingnuts just makes the hurt worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Maha.  </p>
<p>Two things:  There was a movie made for A&amp;E.  It was shown, I believe, in March.  It is being reshown this weekend.  They did a fair bit of advertising for it on A&amp;E, History and Discovery channels, IIRC. I didn&#8217;t watch it. I was sick that morning and stayed home from work (in Manhattan) and didn&#8217;t know what was happening in Manhattan until the afternoon.  The Towers were a landmark for so many things that you cannot escape their absence on the skyline. (I have several friends who should have been in the vicinity that day and were saved by either not being at work or on the way to work. Another friend&#8217;s son went to Stuyvesant HS.)</p>
<p>As to the memorial:  Several months ago there was a long thread at TBogg about the people protesting the shape of the proposed memorial.  That thread then had a sibling thread at Making Light.  Both grew to hundreds of comments. Absolutely insane reactions from the wingnuts about the memorial. I saw the other day (I don&#8217;t remember where) that a congresscritter from Delaware (IIRC) doesn&#8217;t want the federal government to buy the land needed for the memorial and doesn&#8217;t one built, period. The land purchase is part of a new Interior Department appropriations bill coming up in Congress in the next few weeks.</p>
<p>The attack makes my heart sick, and all the crap from the wingnuts just makes the hurt worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Swami</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/04/27/stone-cold-crazy-bitch/comment-page-1/#comment-7180</link>
		<dc:creator>Swami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 10, Erinyes.. You got it right..another crack of the whip from the herdsman.. we all need a good dose of the &quot; Let&#039;s Roll&quot; fantasy to keep us pumped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 10, Erinyes.. You got it right..another crack of the whip from the herdsman.. we all need a good dose of the &#8221; Let&#8217;s Roll&#8221; fantasy to keep us pumped.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joanr16 -
Yes, the Park Service is getting ready to build a big memorial out there in the countryside. I heard there was some controversy about it in that it&#039;s going to impact the community to a great extent.  OMG.  I just looked it up and I cannot believe what I found...
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003506.htm  
Malkin et all think it&#039;s controversial because &lt;i&gt;it&#039;s in the shape of a crescent&lt;/i&gt;.  (I&#039;m not making this up.) (Are these the same people who think we should be saving the Muslim citizens of Iraq?  I don&#039;t get it.  Am I supposed to get it?)  I got out of there after a cursory glance. It&#039;s all I could stand.

Anyway, maybe the link to Peaceful Tomorrows is the more worthwhile link to look at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joanr16 -<br />
Yes, the Park Service is getting ready to build a big memorial out there in the countryside. I heard there was some controversy about it in that it&#8217;s going to impact the community to a great extent.  OMG.  I just looked it up and I cannot believe what I found&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003506.htm" rel="nofollow">http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003506.htm</a><br />
Malkin et all think it&#8217;s controversial because <i>it&#8217;s in the shape of a crescent</i>.  (I&#8217;m not making this up.) (Are these the same people who think we should be saving the Muslim citizens of Iraq?  I don&#8217;t get it.  Am I supposed to get it?)  I got out of there after a cursory glance. It&#8217;s all I could stand.</p>
<p>Anyway, maybe the link to Peaceful Tomorrows is the more worthwhile link to look at.</p>
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		<title>By: lurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;conscious decision to let the disaster take place.&quot;

See, I think they are truly evil enough to do this.  Isn&#039;t there some quote about &quot;the more someone tells me how honest they are, the more I start counting my money?&quot;  The more Bush and Co. bring up 9/11 and use it as a justification for wiping their asses with the Constitution, the more one has to wonder if they didn&#039;t at the very least not prevent it.. even Debbie Downer could hardly deny that 9/11 has been quite the political boon for the GOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;conscious decision to let the disaster take place.&#8221;</p>
<p>See, I think they are truly evil enough to do this.  Isn&#8217;t there some quote about &#8220;the more someone tells me how honest they are, the more I start counting my money?&#8221;  The more Bush and Co. bring up 9/11 and use it as a justification for wiping their asses with the Constitution, the more one has to wonder if they didn&#8217;t at the very least not prevent it.. even Debbie Downer could hardly deny that 9/11 has been quite the political boon for the GOP.</p>
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		<title>By: joanr16</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanr16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, thanks for the info you provided in #13.  It may make a difference for other people (and, unlike Demented Debbie, I urge them to make up their own minds), but it won&#039;t for me.  I&#039;d rather send the price of the movie ticket to the Crawford Peace House down in Texas, or something.

One question, though.  What is the purpose of donating to the National Park Service?  For some sort of memorial?  I&#039;d want the movie to contribute toward something more pragmatic, e.g. the scholarship funds you mention; but again, to each their own.

This certainly isn&#039;t the first buck anybody made off 9/11, and it won&#039;t be the last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, thanks for the info you provided in #13.  It may make a difference for other people (and, unlike Demented Debbie, I urge them to make up their own minds), but it won&#8217;t for me.  I&#8217;d rather send the price of the movie ticket to the Crawford Peace House down in Texas, or something.</p>
<p>One question, though.  What is the purpose of donating to the National Park Service?  For some sort of memorial?  I&#8217;d want the movie to contribute toward something more pragmatic, e.g. the scholarship funds you mention; but again, to each their own.</p>
<p>This certainly isn&#8217;t the first buck anybody made off 9/11, and it won&#8217;t be the last.</p>
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		<title>By: spearNmagicHelmet</title>
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		<dc:creator>spearNmagicHelmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the facts do not match up with the bullshit story the white house is selling.  but then again, what bullshit story of thiers has ever passed the smell test?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the facts do not match up with the bullshit story the white house is selling.  but then again, what bullshit story of thiers has ever passed the smell test?</p>
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