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		<title>By: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/22/the-more-things-change/comment-page-1/#comment-15416</link>
		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 03:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I notice that everyone who has participated was more than willing to take Mr. Macbeth at face value, until “the righties” raised the issue of his credibility.&lt;/i&gt;

Excuse me? Are you hallucinating? Nobody here actually NOTICED the bleeping video until I wrote that there was a video that righties were calling fake. That was the point of the bleeping post.

In fact, if you go back and read, we were all skeptical of the veracity of the video. The only one inclined to believe it (and he still admitted it might be fake) was justme in comment 5. 

&lt;i&gt;If, on the other hand, the purpose is to inform, and through that sharing of information better equip ourselves to make a fundamental change for the better, don’t you think owe it to your fellow Americans to at least make an attempt at objectivity?&lt;/i&gt;

Now you&#039;ve pissed me off. If your purpose is to comment, then don&#039;t you think you owe it to your fellow Americans to at least make an attempt to READ BEFORE YOU CRITICISE?

I tried being nice, but you are &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; banned now. Bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I notice that everyone who has participated was more than willing to take Mr. Macbeth at face value, until “the righties” raised the issue of his credibility.</i></p>
<p>Excuse me? Are you hallucinating? Nobody here actually NOTICED the bleeping video until I wrote that there was a video that righties were calling fake. That was the point of the bleeping post.</p>
<p>In fact, if you go back and read, we were all skeptical of the veracity of the video. The only one inclined to believe it (and he still admitted it might be fake) was justme in comment 5. </p>
<p><i>If, on the other hand, the purpose is to inform, and through that sharing of information better equip ourselves to make a fundamental change for the better, don’t you think owe it to your fellow Americans to at least make an attempt at objectivity?</i></p>
<p>Now you&#8217;ve pissed me off. If your purpose is to comment, then don&#8217;t you think you owe it to your fellow Americans to at least make an attempt to READ BEFORE YOU CRITICISE?</p>
<p>I tried being nice, but you are <i>so</i> banned now. Bye.</p>
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		<title>By: M.Bentley</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/22/the-more-things-change/comment-page-1/#comment-15188</link>
		<dc:creator>M.Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 23:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inasmuch as our host has been kind enough to beseech me to lurk (and presumably offer comments), I would like to make a further comment  regarding my thoughts on the matter at hand.

I notice that everyone who has participated was more than willing to take Mr. Macbeth at face value, until &quot;the righties&quot; raised the issue of his credibility.This is not only true here, but generally throughout the liberal media. One person  even went so far as to state that &quot;if the righties think he is a fake, they should PROVE IT.&quot;  
Most other objections to Mr Macbeths allegations have been couched in &quot;if he is a fake...&quot;  terms.
In short everyone was willing to accept his statements as factual, until proven otherwise.

This is completely illogical from an objective viewpoint.
Mr. Macbeth has made some very serious allegations, and it is incumbent upon the theorist to offer proof, not the other way around. Disproving a negative is a fallacy of logic.

Before  ANY of you accepted  these allegations as truthful, what standards of proof did you require? One of you wrote  &quot;he may well be fake....but I won&#039;t buy it from the swift boat crowd....show me the records.&quot; 
A reasonable response would be ,&quot; Why didn&#039;t you ask that of Mr Macbeth to begin with?&quot;
If your daughter needed brain surgery one might think your standards for acceptance of a doctors  qualifications might be just a tad higher than what you have demanded here, which is none.
Especially if the only assertion of his comptetence was a scrawled  diploma that read &quot; Oksfird Univirsatie Brane Sirjun&quot; , which differs from Mr Macbeths professed credentials only in the matter of subject.

If the purpose of this blog is simply to bash the President or the current administration, why bother to ask for proof at all, or to couch your opinions as  anything other than just that, an opinion? 
We do live in an open society where we may have any opinion we want, from flag waving arch conservative to Mao quoting leftist.

If, on the other hand, the purpose is to inform, and through that sharing of information  better equip ourselves to make a fundamental change for the better, don&#039;t you think owe it to your fellow Americans to at least make an attempt at objectivity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inasmuch as our host has been kind enough to beseech me to lurk (and presumably offer comments), I would like to make a further comment  regarding my thoughts on the matter at hand.</p>
<p>I notice that everyone who has participated was more than willing to take Mr. Macbeth at face value, until &#8220;the righties&#8221; raised the issue of his credibility.This is not only true here, but generally throughout the liberal media. One person  even went so far as to state that &#8220;if the righties think he is a fake, they should PROVE IT.&#8221;<br />
Most other objections to Mr Macbeths allegations have been couched in &#8220;if he is a fake&#8230;&#8221;  terms.<br />
In short everyone was willing to accept his statements as factual, until proven otherwise.</p>
<p>This is completely illogical from an objective viewpoint.<br />
Mr. Macbeth has made some very serious allegations, and it is incumbent upon the theorist to offer proof, not the other way around. Disproving a negative is a fallacy of logic.</p>
<p>Before  ANY of you accepted  these allegations as truthful, what standards of proof did you require? One of you wrote  &#8220;he may well be fake&#8230;.but I won&#8217;t buy it from the swift boat crowd&#8230;.show me the records.&#8221;<br />
A reasonable response would be ,&#8221; Why didn&#8217;t you ask that of Mr Macbeth to begin with?&#8221;<br />
If your daughter needed brain surgery one might think your standards for acceptance of a doctors  qualifications might be just a tad higher than what you have demanded here, which is none.<br />
Especially if the only assertion of his comptetence was a scrawled  diploma that read &#8221; Oksfird Univirsatie Brane Sirjun&#8221; , which differs from Mr Macbeths professed credentials only in the matter of subject.</p>
<p>If the purpose of this blog is simply to bash the President or the current administration, why bother to ask for proof at all, or to couch your opinions as  anything other than just that, an opinion?<br />
We do live in an open society where we may have any opinion we want, from flag waving arch conservative to Mao quoting leftist.</p>
<p>If, on the other hand, the purpose is to inform, and through that sharing of information  better equip ourselves to make a fundamental change for the better, don&#8217;t you think owe it to your fellow Americans to at least make an attempt at objectivity?</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/22/the-more-things-change/comment-page-1/#comment-15162</link>
		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 18:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am inclined to think Mr. Macbeth is a fake.</description>
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		<title>By: Swami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 18:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I wonder about in this guys video is where he says that the military gave them carte blanche to instill fear into the Iraqis and any actions they took to achieve that end would be given the nod. It&#039;s been a long time since I&#039;ve served, but when I did we had to know and understand by heart a ten point military code of conduct, the first of which was..I am an American fighting man responible for my actions. That meant that the military couldn&#039;t grant permission to commit atrocities, and if the shit hit the fan, you were on your own. What this guy is saying might be plausible in a situation like Abu Ghraib where they are just knocking the shit of some innocent taxi driver for information, but I can&#039;t buy it when it comes to popping some kid in the head with an M-16 round to get his father to talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I wonder about in this guys video is where he says that the military gave them carte blanche to instill fear into the Iraqis and any actions they took to achieve that end would be given the nod. It&#8217;s been a long time since I&#8217;ve served, but when I did we had to know and understand by heart a ten point military code of conduct, the first of which was..I am an American fighting man responible for my actions. That meant that the military couldn&#8217;t grant permission to commit atrocities, and if the shit hit the fan, you were on your own. What this guy is saying might be plausible in a situation like Abu Ghraib where they are just knocking the shit of some innocent taxi driver for information, but I can&#8217;t buy it when it comes to popping some kid in the head with an M-16 round to get his father to talk.</p>
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		<title>By: justme</title>
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		<dc:creator>justme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 17:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he is fake  he should be air lifted into Iraq and dropped off. Lying has become so trendy since bush took office EVERYONE is doing it...but this just goes to far. Why can&#039;t people just tell the truth anymore?There in nothing I hate more then a bleeping liar and never have a seen a time in my life where lying was more &quot;in fashion&quot;

 I should think bush would be eager, however, to leak the proof to his minions that this guy is a liar ....it bothers me somewhat that bush co. would leave their serfs to run with the story, minus FACTS.....Why not give them the documents to blow this guys claim out of the water? We all know the military records could be out there for us to see NOW with only a FOIA request...and this could have been cleared up already ... with only things to gain by having his military record out in the public eye one has to wonder why it is not.....

 He may well be fake,,, but I won&#039;t buy it from the swift boat crowd....show me the records!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he is fake  he should be air lifted into Iraq and dropped off. Lying has become so trendy since bush took office EVERYONE is doing it&#8230;but this just goes to far. Why can&#8217;t people just tell the truth anymore?There in nothing I hate more then a bleeping liar and never have a seen a time in my life where lying was more &#8220;in fashion&#8221;</p>
<p> I should think bush would be eager, however, to leak the proof to his minions that this guy is a liar &#8230;.it bothers me somewhat that bush co. would leave their serfs to run with the story, minus FACTS&#8230;..Why not give them the documents to blow this guys claim out of the water? We all know the military records could be out there for us to see NOW with only a FOIA request&#8230;and this could have been cleared up already &#8230; with only things to gain by having his military record out in the public eye one has to wonder why it is not&#8230;..</p>
<p> He may well be fake,,, but I won&#8217;t buy it from the swift boat crowd&#8230;.show me the records!</p>
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		<title>By: joanr16</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/22/the-more-things-change/comment-page-1/#comment-15158</link>
		<dc:creator>joanr16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 17:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, as we debate this apparent red herring, we&#039;re learning that the birthdates and SSNs of &lt;i&gt;26 million&lt;/i&gt; real, recent vets were stolen from a laptop belonging to a DVA employee.  And that they kept quiet about it for nearly a month, hoping they could recover the data from the thief.

Heckuva job once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, as we debate this apparent red herring, we&#8217;re learning that the birthdates and SSNs of <i>26 million</i> real, recent vets were stolen from a laptop belonging to a DVA employee.  And that they kept quiet about it for nearly a month, hoping they could recover the data from the thief.</p>
<p>Heckuva job once again.</p>
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		<title>By: D.R. Marvel</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.R. Marvel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 13:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can say that again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can say that again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dgeorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>dgeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 13:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who successfully completed the US Army Ranger school and served i nthe 1st Ranger batallion (1st-75th) I cn definitely say that this guy is a fake.  The photo of him in the background has at least 3 blatantly obvious errors in it.  Although I am positive that horrible things sometimes happen in wartime, the fact that somebody dresses this guy up in some army-navy store crap and has him say that he is a Ranger is just disgraceful, not just to Rangers but to anybody that has put thier ass on the line for any cause, just or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who successfully completed the US Army Ranger school and served i nthe 1st Ranger batallion (1st-75th) I cn definitely say that this guy is a fake.  The photo of him in the background has at least 3 blatantly obvious errors in it.  Although I am positive that horrible things sometimes happen in wartime, the fact that somebody dresses this guy up in some army-navy store crap and has him say that he is a Ranger is just disgraceful, not just to Rangers but to anybody that has put thier ass on the line for any cause, just or not.</p>
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		<title>By: D.R. Marvel</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/22/the-more-things-change/comment-page-1/#comment-15071</link>
		<dc:creator>D.R. Marvel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 13:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Maha...Can&#039;t help you out there...

 Since the Army&#039;s idea of a &quot;uniform&quot; seems to change more often than Parisian fashions, I have no idea what it ought to look like...

 But if this bloke is a phony, chances are he&#039;s a &quot;plant&quot;...As were so many of J. Edgar&#039;s COINTELPRO-phylactics back in the day...

 It worked pretty well for them back then...One thing you can be sure of about the RW: they never get tired of &quot;Old Tricks&quot;...And their audience never fails to fall for them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Maha&#8230;Can&#8217;t help you out there&#8230;</p>
<p> Since the Army&#8217;s idea of a &#8220;uniform&#8221; seems to change more often than Parisian fashions, I have no idea what it ought to look like&#8230;</p>
<p> But if this bloke is a phony, chances are he&#8217;s a &#8220;plant&#8221;&#8230;As were so many of J. Edgar&#8217;s COINTELPRO-phylactics back in the day&#8230;</p>
<p> It worked pretty well for them back then&#8230;One thing you can be sure of about the RW: they never get tired of &#8220;Old Tricks&#8221;&#8230;And their audience never fails to fall for them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/22/the-more-things-change/comment-page-1/#comment-14997</link>
		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 12:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You were a marine, D.R. Maybe you could tell us if the guy&#039;s mangled the uniform the way the righties say he has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were a marine, D.R. Maybe you could tell us if the guy&#8217;s mangled the uniform the way the righties say he has.</p>
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