Comments on: Battlefield of Dreams http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/ Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration. Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:01:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: The Mahablog » Making New Memories http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-220719 Mon, 28 May 2007 14:25:34 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-220719 [...] The 101st Fighting Keyboarders have plenty to celebrate today. The Associated Press reports that “Americans have opened nearly 1,000 new graves to bury U.S. troops killed in Iraq since Memorial Day a year ago. The figure is telling — and expected to rise in coming months.” [...] […] The 101st Fighting Keyboarders have plenty to celebrate today. The Associated Press reports that “Americans have opened nearly 1,000 new graves to bury U.S. troops killed in Iraq since Memorial Day a year ago. The figure is telling — and expected to rise in coming months.” […]

]]> by: erinyes http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-15929 Wed, 31 May 2006 02:21:31 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-15929 John Perkins explains how the war on Iraq was born of greed and control in his book "Confessions of an economic hit man". It's a great read about how the deeply linked Federal Government and the multi national corporations conspire with the IMF/ World Bank to control other nations through promises of developement with the EHM, intimidation with CIA "Jackals", then if all else fails with a military assault. Perkins notes that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq may have spared Venezuela, at least for the time being. Perkins also suggests that the world is getting fed up with this crap and may one day turn against us with an economic war. Ye reap what you sow..... John Perkins explains how the war on Iraq was born of greed and control in his book “Confessions of an economic hit man”.
It’s a great read about how the deeply linked Federal Government and the multi national corporations conspire with the IMF/ World Bank to control other nations through promises of developement with the EHM, intimidation with CIA “Jackals”, then if all else fails with a military assault.
Perkins notes that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq may have spared Venezuela, at least for the time being.
Perkins also suggests that the world is getting fed up with this crap and may one day turn against us with an economic war.
Ye reap what you sow…..

]]> by: Swami http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-15900 Tue, 30 May 2006 16:47:28 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-15900 <i>A lot of people on the right must need this war as a sop to their own sense of weakness in the face of the modern, multicultural world, where America may be great but where other countries want to pursue their own destinies.</i> We can tighten up this idea with just two words..We're Amurkens! A lot of people on the right must need this war as a sop to their own sense of weakness in the face of the modern, multicultural world, where America may be great but where other countries want to pursue their own destinies.

We can tighten up this idea with just two words..We’re Amurkens!

]]> by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-15897 Tue, 30 May 2006 15:38:36 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-15897 <i>A lot of people on the right must need this war as a sop to their own sense of weakness in the face of the modern, multicultural world, where America may be great but where other countries want to pursue their own destinies.</i> Yes, I think that's exactly right. A lot of people on the right must need this war as a sop to their own sense of weakness in the face of the modern, multicultural world, where America may be great but where other countries want to pursue their own destinies.

Yes, I think that’s exactly right.

]]> by: spaghetti happens and friend http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-15894 Tue, 30 May 2006 13:42:52 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-15894 As to whether the killing of civilians is common practice, it doesn't take a genius to realize that the concept of "collateral damage" assumes civilian deaths to be a necessary part of this country's war strategy, with not much moral separation from their deliberate targeting. If you blow up a house, or level a city, where you know people are living, how can you excuse yourself? By saying, They got in the way of our bombs? That's exactly what we say and it's a morally repugnant stance to take. Rumsfeld's "flypaper" theory, by which we are supposed to bring all the world's terrorists to Mr. and Mrs. Iraqi's front door, is equally indefensible. Did anyone ask them what they thought about it? I wonder what Rumsfeld would say about daily car bombings in his neighborhood. A lot of people on the right must need this war as a sop to their own sense of weakness in the face of the modern, multicultural world, where America may be great but where other countries want to pursue their own destinies. The American military--the "greatest power the world has ever known"--obviously gives a lot of people vicarious cause to puff out their chests. Any sign that this power might not be as great as they'd thought is going to cause some psychological damage among this crowd. Unfortunately, their responses do not seem to be productive and leading to changes of heart. Instead, they lash out of people like us, blaming us for the failures of their own delusions. As to whether the killing of civilians is common practice, it doesn’t take a genius to realize that the concept of “collateral damage” assumes civilian deaths to be a necessary part of this country’s war strategy, with not much moral separation from their deliberate targeting. If you blow up a house, or level a city, where you know people are living, how can you excuse yourself? By saying, They got in the way of our bombs? That’s exactly what we say and it’s a morally repugnant stance to take.

Rumsfeld’s “flypaper” theory, by which we are supposed to bring all the world’s terrorists to Mr. and Mrs. Iraqi’s front door, is equally indefensible. Did anyone ask them what they thought about it? I wonder what Rumsfeld would say about daily car bombings in his neighborhood.

A lot of people on the right must need this war as a sop to their own sense of weakness in the face of the modern, multicultural world, where America may be great but where other countries want to pursue their own destinies. The American military–the “greatest power the world has ever known”–obviously gives a lot of people vicarious cause to puff out their chests. Any sign that this power might not be as great as they’d thought is going to cause some psychological damage among this crowd. Unfortunately, their responses do not seem to be productive and leading to changes of heart. Instead, they lash out of people like us, blaming us for the failures of their own delusions.

]]> by: The Xsociate http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-15880 Tue, 30 May 2006 07:27:04 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-15880 Like many Americans, those on the right simply wish the war would go away. Unfortunately, every flagged-draped coffin or tale of atrocity is just another sign that it isn't. Like many Americans, those on the right simply wish the war would go away. Unfortunately, every flagged-draped coffin or tale of atrocity is just another sign that it isn’t.

]]> by: Swami http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-15879 Tue, 30 May 2006 05:35:45 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-15879 Very nicely expressed, Justme... and I might also add to your fine comment that Guantanamo stands as a living tribute to America's commitment to justice. The world is watching, and what they see is not Bush...they see America, unfortunately Very nicely expressed, Justme… and I might also add to your fine comment that Guantanamo stands as a living tribute to America’s commitment to justice. The world is watching, and what they see is not Bush…they see America, unfortunately

]]> by: justme http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-15874 Tue, 30 May 2006 04:00:25 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/05/29/battlefield-of-dreams/#comment-15874 I have noticed the righties like to accuse the left of "hurting the war effort" everytime anyone dares to speak out . For example : Abu gharaib...according to righties it wasn't the torturing of prisoners that" hurt the war effort" but instead it was the lefts fault for mentioning it.....it isn't the fact some troops may have flipped out and killed people that "hurts the effort", but the fact that someone points it out that is the problem....The president breaking the law isn't the issue,,it's jailing the people who dared to inform the public....I could go on but I think the pattern is clear.... So here is what I think, as we end this day set aside to remember.I think anyone who would say nothing of the actions , but instead the messenger must really hate the troops and have a death wish in mind for future troops. I wonder if they have stopped to think what fate will befall our troops in future wars with actual nations with actual armies?Can we ever expect our troops will NOT be tortured again?By side stepping the issue via attacking the messenger we are making our position clear to the world...No matter how righties try to live in a fantasy world.. or in denial the whole entire world knows we torture..they see whats going on...all bets are off from this point forward as a result of such actions....we can never again look to the rest of the world for outrage when a terrible fate occurs to one of our own in wars of the future....I can't imagine a soul..right or left who wanted that for our future troops..but now thanks to bushco that is the reality.. that old saying about how when you point at someone there are always 3 fingers pointing back at you is more true then ever This can hardly be an incentive for getting new recruits The plastic Army men photo: Perfect analogy of what righties seem to think... I have noticed the righties like to accuse the left of “hurting the war effort” everytime anyone dares to speak out . For example : Abu gharaib…according to righties it wasn’t the torturing of prisoners that” hurt the war effort” but instead it was the lefts fault for mentioning it…..it isn’t the fact some troops may have flipped out and killed people that “hurts the effort”, but the fact that someone points it out that is the problem….The president breaking the law isn’t the issue,,it’s jailing the people who dared to inform the public….I could go on but I think the pattern is clear….

So here is what I think, as we end this day set aside to remember.I think anyone who would say nothing of the actions , but instead the messenger must really hate the troops and have a death wish in mind for future troops. I wonder if they have stopped to think what fate will befall our troops in future wars with actual nations with actual armies?Can we ever expect our troops will NOT be tortured again?By side stepping the issue via attacking the messenger we are making our position clear to the world…No matter how righties try to live in a fantasy world.. or in denial the whole entire world knows we torture..they see whats going on…all bets are off from this point forward as a result of such actions….we can never again look to the rest of the world for outrage when a terrible fate occurs to one of our own in wars of the future….I can’t imagine a soul..right or left who wanted that for our future troops..but now thanks to bushco that is the reality.. that old saying about how when you point at someone there are always 3 fingers pointing back at you is more true then ever

This can hardly be an incentive for getting new recruits

The plastic Army men photo: Perfect analogy of what righties seem to think…

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