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	<title>Comments on: Smoke-Filled Backrooms of the Internets</title>
	<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/06/24/smoke-filled-backrooms-of-the-internets/</link>
	<description>Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration.</description>
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		<title>by: The Mahablog &#187; Support Your Local Progressive Infrastructure</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/06/24/smoke-filled-backrooms-of-the-internets/#comment-239729</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Last year&amp;#8217;s party was a blast, although it&amp;#8217;s a bittersweet memory now because Steve Gilliard was there. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] Last year&#8217;s party was a blast, although it&#8217;s a bittersweet memory now because Steve Gilliard was there. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: The Mahablog &#187; Smoke-Filled Backrooms of the Internets, Conclusion</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/06/24/smoke-filled-backrooms-of-the-internets/#comment-17475</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Oh yes, the Mighty Kos, who last Thursday was seen sitting quietly in the corner of the Lotus lounge while a roomful of rabid lambs debated the lamb business. &amp;#8220;It&amp;#8217;s not about me,&amp;#8221; he responded, wistfully, to a question &amp;#8212; I didn&amp;#8217;t hear the question &amp;#8212; and this lamb concurs. While I appreciate Kos&amp;#8217;s skill at connecting blogging to the fleshly political world, I don&amp;#8217;t actually read Kos all that much. No offense, Kos, but I don&amp;#8217;t. On my list of blogs I try to read frequently Daily Kos comes in at about #20, meaning I don&amp;#8217;t get to it more than once or twice a week. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] Oh yes, the Mighty Kos, who last Thursday was seen sitting quietly in the corner of the Lotus lounge while a roomful of rabid lambs debated the lamb business. &#8220;It&#8217;s not about me,&#8221; he responded, wistfully, to a question &#8212; I didn&#8217;t hear the question &#8212; and this lamb concurs. While I appreciate Kos&#8217;s skill at connecting blogging to the fleshly political world, I don&#8217;t actually read Kos all that much. No offense, Kos, but I don&#8217;t. On my list of blogs I try to read frequently Daily Kos comes in at about #20, meaning I don&#8217;t get to it more than once or twice a week. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Lance Mannion</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/06/24/smoke-filled-backrooms-of-the-internets/#comment-17474</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Hog Pit&lt;/strong&gt;

(This New York Notebook entry's out of order. There are a few others coming that will post out of sequence too, including posts on the reason I was in the City, the DMI event honoring Kos itself. Later tonight I'll rearrange things chronologically. F...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><strong>The Hog Pit</strong></p>
	<p>(This New York Notebook entry&#8217;s out of order. There are a few others coming that will post out of sequence too, including posts on the reason I was in the City, the DMI event honoring Kos itself. Later tonight I&#8217;ll rearrange things chronologically. F&#8230;
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/06/24/smoke-filled-backrooms-of-the-internets/#comment-17462</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/06/24/smoke-filled-backrooms-of-the-internets/#comment-17462</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;Make me up some frigging bumperstickers with www.ad a blog name.com printed on them and I will hang them on every pole in my friggin state!!!!&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cafepress.com/mahacup.14690660&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here's one&lt;/a&gt; ... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Make me up some frigging bumperstickers with www.ad a blog name.com printed on them and I will hang them on every pole in my friggin state!!!!</i></p>
	<p><a href="http://www.cafepress.com/mahacup.14690660" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s one</a> &#8230; <img src='http://www.mahablog.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: justme</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/06/24/smoke-filled-backrooms-of-the-internets/#comment-17443</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/06/24/smoke-filled-backrooms-of-the-internets/#comment-17443</guid>
					<description>Well well well! Leftie bloggers have arrived!!!Bloggers on the left must be making SOMEONE nervous to warrent all this attention!...

 Last week I was asked by no less then a dozen &quot;main stream&quot; ladies to explain what a &quot;blog&quot; even is....these are computer savvy ladies who never leave home without a laptop to use for anything from work related stuff to &quot;power shopping&quot; during a manicure.....so I can't imagine bloggers have become a main stream threat to the political spectrum just yet.....directly.....however I think the fear is that bloggers will plant ideas into a few heads here and there and those ideas will spread.(we can't have people off thinking for themselves now can we?).....

 So to me the fact rightie enablers are tripping over themselves to beat the holiday rush to nip the bloggers in the bud ....means they are worried that their own plan to control the message is weak.Basically the response to bloggers on the left was, if this were a poker game , a sort of tipping of the hand....the guy across the table just told you, unwillingly, his cards suck.

 If their message is so fragile that group of bloggers must be snuffed out of reason to the mainstream consumer , that has no idea how to even find a blog much less what one is...you have found a weak spot ...KICK HARDER AND DON'T STOP!!!!!

 Make me up some frigging bumperstickers with www.ad a blog name.com printed on them and I will hang them on every pole in my friggin state!!!!... make your own blog...blog on state issues...blog till you reason with idiots....if you run a left blog , start a right one and try to get them headed back in the right direction.....write 2 blogs or 3 blogs until one sticks!If this is a weak spot ...lets make it a big fat spreading spot!..

 If this is indeed a fight worth fighting then when we find a weak spot rather than run one must add boots on the ground and beat that spot for all it's worth and then some....I see it as a challenge now.. the question will be are bloggers on the left ready to rise up and meet it?Hard blogging is going to have to take on a new meaning... 

 I was thinking just the other day as I read the outstanding &quot;Rabbit Redux&quot; post that everyone should have the benefit of this information as apposed to the disinformation and extreme scare tactics I saw on local news,read in print, and heard about via blogs. My own local news was so atwitter they even saw fit to remind us we needed to have that food and water supply stocked and at the ready....

 So my question to you...bloggers,readers,concerned Americans....how can we reach the many many people who ask me &quot;what is a blog and where do I find one&quot;?, and make them ask instead how they ever lived without them?How do you reach main stream America in order to avoid &quot;preaching to the choir&quot;?Reader word of mouth is great,yes,but that isn't enough.. maybe it is time to mobilize the reader to put up advertisements...for the good of the friggin country....I for one would love to hear &quot;Mahablog&quot; posts become &quot;mainstream&quot; dinner conversation.
  So, what do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well well well! Leftie bloggers have arrived!!!Bloggers on the left must be making SOMEONE nervous to warrent all this attention!&#8230;</p>
	<p> Last week I was asked by no less then a dozen &#8220;main stream&#8221; ladies to explain what a &#8220;blog&#8221; even is&#8230;.these are computer savvy ladies who never leave home without a laptop to use for anything from work related stuff to &#8220;power shopping&#8221; during a manicure&#8230;..so I can&#8217;t imagine bloggers have become a main stream threat to the political spectrum just yet&#8230;..directly&#8230;..however I think the fear is that bloggers will plant ideas into a few heads here and there and those ideas will spread.(we can&#8217;t have people off thinking for themselves now can we?)&#8230;..</p>
	<p> So to me the fact rightie enablers are tripping over themselves to beat the holiday rush to nip the bloggers in the bud &#8230;.means they are worried that their own plan to control the message is weak.Basically the response to bloggers on the left was, if this were a poker game , a sort of tipping of the hand&#8230;.the guy across the table just told you, unwillingly, his cards suck.</p>
	<p> If their message is so fragile that group of bloggers must be snuffed out of reason to the mainstream consumer , that has no idea how to even find a blog much less what one is&#8230;you have found a weak spot &#8230;KICK HARDER AND DON&#8217;T STOP!!!!!</p>
	<p> Make me up some frigging bumperstickers with www.ad a blog name.com printed on them and I will hang them on every pole in my friggin state!!!!&#8230; make your own blog&#8230;blog on state issues&#8230;blog till you reason with idiots&#8230;.if you run a left blog , start a right one and try to get them headed back in the right direction&#8230;..write 2 blogs or 3 blogs until one sticks!If this is a weak spot &#8230;lets make it a big fat spreading spot!..</p>
	<p> If this is indeed a fight worth fighting then when we find a weak spot rather than run one must add boots on the ground and beat that spot for all it&#8217;s worth and then some&#8230;.I see it as a challenge now.. the question will be are bloggers on the left ready to rise up and meet it?Hard blogging is going to have to take on a new meaning&#8230; </p>
	<p> I was thinking just the other day as I read the outstanding &#8220;Rabbit Redux&#8221; post that everyone should have the benefit of this information as apposed to the disinformation and extreme scare tactics I saw on local news,read in print, and heard about via blogs. My own local news was so atwitter they even saw fit to remind us we needed to have that food and water supply stocked and at the ready&#8230;.</p>
	<p> So my question to you&#8230;bloggers,readers,concerned Americans&#8230;.how can we reach the many many people who ask me &#8220;what is a blog and where do I find one&#8221;?, and make them ask instead how they ever lived without them?How do you reach main stream America in order to avoid &#8220;preaching to the choir&#8221;?Reader word of mouth is great,yes,but that isn&#8217;t enough.. maybe it is time to mobilize the reader to put up advertisements&#8230;for the good of the friggin country&#8230;.I for one would love to hear &#8220;Mahablog&#8221; posts become &#8220;mainstream&#8221; dinner conversation.<br />
  So, what do you think?
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		<title>by: Tom W.</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/06/24/smoke-filled-backrooms-of-the-internets/#comment-17435</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey Maha - it was great to meet you, awesome to have you there...backrooms of the internets indeed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey Maha - it was great to meet you, awesome to have you there&#8230;backrooms of the internets indeed&#8230;
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		<title>by: The Mahablog &#187; Smoke-Filled Backrooms of the Internets, Continued</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/06/24/smoke-filled-backrooms-of-the-internets/#comment-17433</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] The owners of The New Republic must&amp;#8217;ve ordered a hit on Markos Moulitsas. Following up the Zengerle v. Kos dispute, another TNR columnist, Lee Siegel, wrote on Thursday defending &amp;#8220;Zengerle&amp;#8217;s artful and honest exposure of someone who, more and more, seems to represent the purest, most classical strain of hypocrisy.&amp;#8221; That&amp;#8217;s Kos, I guess. Siegel goes on to fire buckshot at the whole leftie blogosphere &amp;#8211; It&amp;#8217;s a bizarre phenomenon, the blogosphere. It radiates democracy&amp;#8217;s dream of full participation but practices democracy&amp;#8217;s nightmare of populist crudity, character-assassination, and emotional stupefaction. It&amp;#8217;s hard fascism with a Microsoft face. It puts some people, like me, in the equally bizarre position of wanting desperately for Joe Lieberman to lose the Democratic primary to Ned Lamont so that true liberal values might, maybe, possibly prevail, yet at the same time wanting Lamont, the hero of the blogosphere, to lose so that the fascistic forces ranged against Lieberman might be defeated. (Every critical event in democracy is symbolic of the problem with democracy.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] The owners of The New Republic must&#8217;ve ordered a hit on Markos Moulitsas. Following up the Zengerle v. Kos dispute, another TNR columnist, Lee Siegel, wrote on Thursday defending &#8220;Zengerle&#8217;s artful and honest exposure of someone who, more and more, seems to represent the purest, most classical strain of hypocrisy.&#8221; That&#8217;s Kos, I guess. Siegel goes on to fire buckshot at the whole leftie blogosphere &#8211; It&#8217;s a bizarre phenomenon, the blogosphere. It radiates democracy&#8217;s dream of full participation but practices democracy&#8217;s nightmare of populist crudity, character-assassination, and emotional stupefaction. It&#8217;s hard fascism with a Microsoft face. It puts some people, like me, in the equally bizarre position of wanting desperately for Joe Lieberman to lose the Democratic primary to Ned Lamont so that true liberal values might, maybe, possibly prevail, yet at the same time wanting Lamont, the hero of the blogosphere, to lose so that the fascistic forces ranged against Lieberman might be defeated. (Every critical event in democracy is symbolic of the problem with democracy.) [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/06/24/smoke-filled-backrooms-of-the-internets/#comment-17432</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/06/24/smoke-filled-backrooms-of-the-internets/#comment-17432</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;Bluntly, Greenwald lied.&lt;/i&gt;

I don't think so. Glenn says Steve's email wasn't sent to the Townhouse listserve, because he is on the listserve and he never received it. This is something I have no way to check for myself, as I'm not a member of that group. Glenn also says,

&quot;I then sent e-mails asking whether anyone else had received such an e-mail, and multiple individuals (who are on the Townhouse list) confirmed that they also never received any such e-mail. Gilliard then confirmed by e-mail that he did not send such an e-mail.&quot;

To which Steve wrote on his blog,  &quot;I didn't send any e-mail with that phrase at all.&quot; But then he says,

&lt;i&gt;Now, I could have claimed to have not written it, and then say I forgot if it came up, but I'm not going to play that way.&lt;/i&gt;

Steve explains that it's possible he wrote an email like the one Zengerle quotes and sent it to someone other than Townhouse, and has forgotten about it. He doesn't want to  say categorically he never wrote such an email ever and then have someone drag up something he wrote to someone else in another context. But whatever he wrote was not to the Townhouse group, and IN CONTEXT (which of course you ignore) it seems to me that when Glenn says Steve confirmed he never sent any such email he's referring to email sent to the Townhouse group, although the way it was written wasn't clear.

And because it wasn't clear, Steve felt a need to clarify:

&lt;i&gt;To be fair, I told Glenn I disagreed with the characterization of it being false, because I may have express some kind of sentiment close to that. The issue to me is not that Zengerle created it out of whole cloth, but if he got it from a source that he was too lazy and sloppy to confirm it with me. Let me be clear, I didn't deny writing the e-mail. I said that I had no record of writing such an e-mail with that phrase, to the list on that day. &lt;/i&gt;

And if the email wasn't received by the list, it's a pretty good bet that Steve never sent it to the list, even though he doesn't want to deny writing the email completely.

So, son, you're the liar. And didn't I ban you awhile back? No time like the present, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Bluntly, Greenwald lied.</i></p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t think so. Glenn says Steve&#8217;s email wasn&#8217;t sent to the Townhouse listserve, because he is on the listserve and he never received it. This is something I have no way to check for myself, as I&#8217;m not a member of that group. Glenn also says,</p>
	<p>&#8220;I then sent e-mails asking whether anyone else had received such an e-mail, and multiple individuals (who are on the Townhouse list) confirmed that they also never received any such e-mail. Gilliard then confirmed by e-mail that he did not send such an e-mail.&#8221;</p>
	<p>To which Steve wrote on his blog,  &#8220;I didn&#8217;t send any e-mail with that phrase at all.&#8221; But then he says,</p>
	<p><i>Now, I could have claimed to have not written it, and then say I forgot if it came up, but I&#8217;m not going to play that way.</i></p>
	<p>Steve explains that it&#8217;s possible he wrote an email like the one Zengerle quotes and sent it to someone other than Townhouse, and has forgotten about it. He doesn&#8217;t want to  say categorically he never wrote such an email ever and then have someone drag up something he wrote to someone else in another context. But whatever he wrote was not to the Townhouse group, and IN CONTEXT (which of course you ignore) it seems to me that when Glenn says Steve confirmed he never sent any such email he&#8217;s referring to email sent to the Townhouse group, although the way it was written wasn&#8217;t clear.</p>
	<p>And because it wasn&#8217;t clear, Steve felt a need to clarify:</p>
	<p><i>To be fair, I told Glenn I disagreed with the characterization of it being false, because I may have express some kind of sentiment close to that. The issue to me is not that Zengerle created it out of whole cloth, but if he got it from a source that he was too lazy and sloppy to confirm it with me. Let me be clear, I didn&#8217;t deny writing the e-mail. I said that I had no record of writing such an e-mail with that phrase, to the list on that day. </i></p>
	<p>And if the email wasn&#8217;t received by the list, it&#8217;s a pretty good bet that Steve never sent it to the list, even though he doesn&#8217;t want to deny writing the email completely.</p>
	<p>So, son, you&#8217;re the liar. And didn&#8217;t I ban you awhile back? No time like the present, I guess.
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		<title>by: Bruce Baugh</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/06/24/smoke-filled-backrooms-of-the-internets/#comment-17429</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Maha, when it comes to you and money, I can only share Tevya's wish...

&quot;Money is the curse of the people!&quot;

&quot;Then may I be cursed! And may I never recover!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maha, when it comes to you and money, I can only share Tevya&#8217;s wish&#8230;</p>
	<p>&#8220;Money is the curse of the people!&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;Then may I be cursed! And may I never recover!&#8221;
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		<title>by: The Commissar</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/06/24/smoke-filled-backrooms-of-the-internets/#comment-17428</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 18:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Your excerpt is selective, as all excerpts are. :)

Greenwald misrepresented what Gilliard told him.

Greenwald: &quot;&lt;i&gt;Nor, according to Gilliard, did he ever write any such e-mail at all, to Townhouse or anyone else.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Gilliard: &quot;&lt;i&gt;I didn’t deny writing the e-mail.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Bluntly, Greenwald lied.

By his own exacting standards, it is proper for us to question his credibility and impugn his motives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Your excerpt is selective, as all excerpts are. <img src='http://www.mahablog.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>Greenwald misrepresented what Gilliard told him.</p>
	<p>Greenwald: &#8220;<i>Nor, according to Gilliard, did he ever write any such e-mail at all, to Townhouse or anyone else.</i>&#8221;</p>
	<p>Gilliard: &#8220;<i>I didn’t deny writing the e-mail.</i>&#8221;</p>
	<p>Bluntly, Greenwald lied.</p>
	<p>By his own exacting standards, it is proper for us to question his credibility and impugn his motives.
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