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	<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/07/28/bolton-lies-righties-confused/</link>
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		<title>by: The Mahablog &#187; Bombing</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/07/28/bolton-lies-righties-confused/#comment-37157</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] I&amp;#8217;ve already spent considerable blog time and bandwidth explaining why the current, um, challenge posed by North Korea is George W. Bush&amp;#8217;s doing, and not Bill Clinton&amp;#8217;s and/or Jimmy Carter&amp;#8217;s, as righties would have you believe. See this post for the short explanation, and &amp;#8220;Rolling Blunder&amp;#8221; by Fred Kaplan and the Blame Bush for North Korea&amp;#8217;s Nukes page from The Mahablog archives if you want more detail. I&amp;#8217;m not going into all that again this morning, except to say that any troll who is dumb enough to repeat the &amp;#8220;it&amp;#8217;s Clinton&amp;#8217;s fault&amp;#8221; propaganda here without reading my long and carefully documented proof that it isn&amp;#8217;t will be mercilessly ridiculed. Mercilessly, I say. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] I&#8217;ve already spent considerable blog time and bandwidth explaining why the current, um, challenge posed by North Korea is George W. Bush&#8217;s doing, and not Bill Clinton&#8217;s and/or Jimmy Carter&#8217;s, as righties would have you believe. See this post for the short explanation, and &#8220;Rolling Blunder&#8221; by Fred Kaplan and the Blame Bush for North Korea&#8217;s Nukes page from The Mahablog archives if you want more detail. I&#8217;m not going into all that again this morning, except to say that any troll who is dumb enough to repeat the &#8220;it&#8217;s Clinton&#8217;s fault&#8221; propaganda here without reading my long and carefully documented proof that it isn&#8217;t will be mercilessly ridiculed. Mercilessly, I say. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: The Mahablog &#187; Happy Talk</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/07/28/bolton-lies-righties-confused/#comment-37073</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] I want to go back to Korea for a moment. Rightie mythos says that it&amp;#8217;s Bill Clinton&amp;#8217;s fault that North Korea has nukes. I explained here why this is nonsense; it was Bush who screwed up, not Clinton. See also &amp;#8220;Rolling Blunder&amp;#8221; by Fred Kaplan and the Blame Bush for North Korea&amp;#8217;s Nukes page from The Mahablog archives. I&amp;#8217;m not going to re-explain all that this morning, except to say that the series of Bushie blunders that led to North Korea resuming plutonium processing was partly a reaction to diplomatic talks between Japan and North Korea. And why was that a problem? Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi had gone to North Korea to work out a long-range missile agreement without consulting the United States first. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] I want to go back to Korea for a moment. Rightie mythos says that it&#8217;s Bill Clinton&#8217;s fault that North Korea has nukes. I explained here why this is nonsense; it was Bush who screwed up, not Clinton. See also &#8220;Rolling Blunder&#8221; by Fred Kaplan and the Blame Bush for North Korea&#8217;s Nukes page from The Mahablog archives. I&#8217;m not going to re-explain all that this morning, except to say that the series of Bushie blunders that led to North Korea resuming plutonium processing was partly a reaction to diplomatic talks between Japan and North Korea. And why was that a problem? Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi had gone to North Korea to work out a long-range missile agreement without consulting the United States first. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Julie O.</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/07/28/bolton-lies-righties-confused/#comment-21699</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 02:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In another one of my pure fluff comments, the problem the Bush Administration caused in North Korea reminds me of Cool Hand Luke, which I saw for the first time last week.  

Although he hadn't done anything wrong, fearing the mere possibility of a loss of control, the warden put Luke in the box when his mother died.  So Luke said (subtextually), &quot;I might as well do what they punished me for,&quot; and spent the rest of the movie trying to escape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In another one of my pure fluff comments, the problem the Bush Administration caused in North Korea reminds me of Cool Hand Luke, which I saw for the first time last week.  </p>
	<p>Although he hadn&#8217;t done anything wrong, fearing the mere possibility of a loss of control, the warden put Luke in the box when his mother died.  So Luke said (subtextually), &#8220;I might as well do what they punished me for,&#8221; and spent the rest of the movie trying to escape.
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		<title>by: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/07/28/bolton-lies-righties-confused/#comment-21667</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Tsk, tsk, there you go again, living in that pesky fact-based reality when the world has moved on to reality creation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tsk, tsk, there you go again, living in that pesky fact-based reality when the world has moved on to reality creation.
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/07/28/bolton-lies-righties-confused/#comment-21664</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/07/28/bolton-lies-righties-confused/#comment-21664</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;The uranium was enriched from approx. 30 tons of U-235 (Uranium hex) through gaseous diffusion. &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;The NoKo’s had around 500 tons of yellowcake to work with which would have been good for about 15 bombs.&lt;/i&gt;

I see you're not a nuclear scientist, either. Uranium hexafluoride and &quot;yellowcake&quot; -- uranium oxide -- are not the same thing. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_hexafluoride&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Uranium hexafluoride is refined from uranium oxide&lt;/a&gt;, so it doesn't take as long to go from UH to a bomb than it takes to go from UO to a bomb.You're comparing apples to oranges.

BTW, I believe precise information about what was enriched to make the hiroshima bomb, and where the uranium came from, is still classified. 

&lt;i&gt;more like months or weeks if you have an efficient centrifuge sysem.&lt;/i&gt;

They didn't, though, which you would have known had you read the post all the way through. See in particular &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050101faessay84109/selig-s-harrison/did-north-korea-cheat.html&quot;&gt;the &lt;em&gt;Foreign Affairs&lt;/em&gt; article cited above&lt;/a&gt;. From the article:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is much easier to make low-enriched uranium (LEU)--the fuel needed to power light-water plutonium reactors--than it is to make weapons-grade highly enriched uranium (HEU), as Washington has accused Pyongyang of doing. A relatively small number of centrifuges is needed to make LEU, but the production of HEU in quantities sufficient for nuclear weapons requires the continuous operation of hundreds--or thousands--of centrifuges over a long period. &lt;b&gt;Richard Garwin, a respected nuclear scientist, has estimated that 1,300 high-performance centrifuges would have to operate full time for three years to make the 60 kilograms of fissile material needed for a basic (&quot;gun-type&quot;) nuclear weapon. Accomplishing that would require an enormous sustained input of electricity, without fluctuation or interruption. Moreover, the operation of a multi-centrifuge &quot;cascade&quot; requires a high-powered motor with a speed twice that of a MiG-21 jet engine. North Korea cannot produce engines even for its Russian-supplied MiGs, and it has only limited, highly unreliable electricity capabilities.&lt;/b&gt; It is therefore unlikely that the country is able at present to build or operate the equipment needed, over a long period, to produce weapons-grade uranium.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;i&gt;We don’t know exactly when the NoKo’s started to violate the agreement they made not to enrich U-238. But anyone who believes that they waited until 2002 is a ninny.&lt;/i&gt;

As I said in the post, the Clinton Administration knew about alleged uranium processing by about 1998.

&lt;i&gt;By the time the North announced that they would unilaterally chuck the accords, they probably already had enough HE uranium to make 3-5 bombs.&lt;/i&gt;

Except they didn't. They have enough plutonium for at least 3-5 bombs now, though, thanks to the Bush Administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The uranium was enriched from approx. 30 tons of U-235 (Uranium hex) through gaseous diffusion. </i></p>
	<p><i>The NoKo’s had around 500 tons of yellowcake to work with which would have been good for about 15 bombs.</i></p>
	<p>I see you&#8217;re not a nuclear scientist, either. Uranium hexafluoride and &#8220;yellowcake&#8221; &#8212; uranium oxide &#8212; are not the same thing. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_hexafluoride" rel="nofollow">Uranium hexafluoride is refined from uranium oxide</a>, so it doesn&#8217;t take as long to go from UH to a bomb than it takes to go from UO to a bomb.You&#8217;re comparing apples to oranges.</p>
	<p>BTW, I believe precise information about what was enriched to make the hiroshima bomb, and where the uranium came from, is still classified. </p>
	<p><i>more like months or weeks if you have an efficient centrifuge sysem.</i></p>
	<p>They didn&#8217;t, though, which you would have known had you read the post all the way through. See in particular <a href="http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050101faessay84109/selig-s-harrison/did-north-korea-cheat.html">the <em>Foreign Affairs</em> article cited above</a>. From the article:</p>
	<blockquote><p>It is much easier to make low-enriched uranium (LEU)&#8211;the fuel needed to power light-water plutonium reactors&#8211;than it is to make weapons-grade highly enriched uranium (HEU), as Washington has accused Pyongyang of doing. A relatively small number of centrifuges is needed to make LEU, but the production of HEU in quantities sufficient for nuclear weapons requires the continuous operation of hundreds&#8211;or thousands&#8211;of centrifuges over a long period. <b>Richard Garwin, a respected nuclear scientist, has estimated that 1,300 high-performance centrifuges would have to operate full time for three years to make the 60 kilograms of fissile material needed for a basic (&#8221;gun-type&#8221;) nuclear weapon. Accomplishing that would require an enormous sustained input of electricity, without fluctuation or interruption. Moreover, the operation of a multi-centrifuge &#8220;cascade&#8221; requires a high-powered motor with a speed twice that of a MiG-21 jet engine. North Korea cannot produce engines even for its Russian-supplied MiGs, and it has only limited, highly unreliable electricity capabilities.</b> It is therefore unlikely that the country is able at present to build or operate the equipment needed, over a long period, to produce weapons-grade uranium.</p></blockquote>
	<p><i>We don’t know exactly when the NoKo’s started to violate the agreement they made not to enrich U-238. But anyone who believes that they waited until 2002 is a ninny.</i></p>
	<p>As I said in the post, the Clinton Administration knew about alleged uranium processing by about 1998.</p>
	<p><i>By the time the North announced that they would unilaterally chuck the accords, they probably already had enough HE uranium to make 3-5 bombs.</i></p>
	<p>Except they didn&#8217;t. They have enough plutonium for at least 3-5 bombs now, though, thanks to the Bush Administration.
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		<title>by: Rick Moran</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/07/28/bolton-lies-righties-confused/#comment-21662</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;em&gt;Very basically, you need vast amounts of uranium and years and years of processing in order to get enough nuclear stuff to make a bomb.&lt;/em&gt;

Very basically, that's a crock.

The Hiroshima bomb contained about 112 lbs of U-238 - highly enriched uranium. The uranium was enriched from approx. 30 tons of U-235 (Uranium hex) through gaseous diffusion. There are much more efficient methods today requiring much less Uranium.

It hardly takes &quot;years&quot; to process it - more like months or weeks if you have an efficient centrifuge sysem. The NoKo's had around 500 tons of yellowcake to work with which would have been good for about 15 bombs.

As for Plutonium (U-239), this is a synthetic and is created by bombarding the U-238 with nuetrons in a reactor. 

We don't know exactly when the NoKo's started to violate the agreement they made not to enrich U-238. But anyone who believes that they waited until 2002 is a ninny. And what Clinton didn't know was that AQ Khan had been working with the NoKo's on a very sophisticated cascade centrifuge system since at least 1995, smuggling the system into the North via his black market contacts.

By the time the North announced that they would unilaterally chuck the accords, they probably already had enough HE uranium to make 3-5 bombs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>Very basically, you need vast amounts of uranium and years and years of processing in order to get enough nuclear stuff to make a bomb.</em></p>
	<p>Very basically, that&#8217;s a crock.</p>
	<p>The Hiroshima bomb contained about 112 lbs of U-238 - highly enriched uranium. The uranium was enriched from approx. 30 tons of U-235 (Uranium hex) through gaseous diffusion. There are much more efficient methods today requiring much less Uranium.</p>
	<p>It hardly takes &#8220;years&#8221; to process it - more like months or weeks if you have an efficient centrifuge sysem. The NoKo&#8217;s had around 500 tons of yellowcake to work with which would have been good for about 15 bombs.</p>
	<p>As for Plutonium (U-239), this is a synthetic and is created by bombarding the U-238 with nuetrons in a reactor. </p>
	<p>We don&#8217;t know exactly when the NoKo&#8217;s started to violate the agreement they made not to enrich U-238. But anyone who believes that they waited until 2002 is a ninny. And what Clinton didn&#8217;t know was that AQ Khan had been working with the NoKo&#8217;s on a very sophisticated cascade centrifuge system since at least 1995, smuggling the system into the North via his black market contacts.</p>
	<p>By the time the North announced that they would unilaterally chuck the accords, they probably already had enough HE uranium to make 3-5 bombs.
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		<title>by: moonbat</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/07/28/bolton-lies-righties-confused/#comment-21644</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I couldn't bring myself to watch the video for several reasons. I gather that Kerry was unable to rebut Bolton, and this may have led to the righties' assertion that he was outclassed. If this is what happened, then I would say Kerry was not outclassed but outgunned.

When oh when are we going to have an effective opposition? You don't show up at a gunfight with knives. In that sense, in terms of being woefully unprepared to do battle and win, Kerry was indeed outclassed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I couldn&#8217;t bring myself to watch the video for several reasons. I gather that Kerry was unable to rebut Bolton, and this may have led to the righties&#8217; assertion that he was outclassed. If this is what happened, then I would say Kerry was not outclassed but outgunned.</p>
	<p>When oh when are we going to have an effective opposition? You don&#8217;t show up at a gunfight with knives. In that sense, in terms of being woefully unprepared to do battle and win, Kerry was indeed outclassed.
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		<title>by: John</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/07/28/bolton-lies-righties-confused/#comment-21642</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for clearing this up, Maha.  Feel free to point out BushCo lies any time you feel like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for clearing this up, Maha.  Feel free to point out BushCo lies any time you feel like it.
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		<title>by: A. Citizen</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/07/28/bolton-lies-righties-confused/#comment-21638</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>'And John Bolton is full of shit...' Yup, he shore is but ya know?

As long as John 'Day Late and a Dollar Short' Kerry is on our team it ain't gonna matter one little bit.

If'n yer can't bother to git to the meetin' on time...

TAKE YER USELESS ASS BACK HOME AND GIVE YER SEAT TO SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO SERVE THE NATION.

Being an AssClown is NOT restricted to ReThugs. We got Kerry and we also got: &lt;a href=&quot;http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/oakland/archives/2006/07/arrogance_entitlem_1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Boxer Short&lt;/a&gt;.

I look forward to Ned Lamont and others like him taking to the Senate floor. I think we'll see a change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8216;And John Bolton is full of shit&#8230;&#8217; Yup, he shore is but ya know?</p>
	<p>As long as John &#8216;Day Late and a Dollar Short&#8217; Kerry is on our team it ain&#8217;t gonna matter one little bit.</p>
	<p>If&#8217;n yer can&#8217;t bother to git to the meetin&#8217; on time&#8230;</p>
	<p>TAKE YER USELESS ASS BACK HOME AND GIVE YER SEAT TO SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO SERVE THE NATION.</p>
	<p>Being an AssClown is NOT restricted to ReThugs. We got Kerry and we also got: <a href="http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/oakland/archives/2006/07/arrogance_entitlem_1.html" rel="nofollow">The Boxer Short</a>.</p>
	<p>I look forward to Ned Lamont and others like him taking to the Senate floor. I think we&#8217;ll see a change.
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