Comments on: Good New, Bad News, Part II http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/ Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration. Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:53:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: The Mahablog » Wu Wei http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-75740 Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:23:10 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-75740 [...] I also quoted James Fallows’s “Declaring Victory” article from the September 2006 Atlantic Monthly, which I’m very sorry is available only to subscribers. However, I have blogged about this article here, here, and here, here, and probably elsewhere. In this article Fallows interviews a number of national security experts for their assessment of where the U.S. stands in its counterterrorism efforts. Shortly after this issue of Atlantic Monthly came out, parts of a National Intelligence Estimate of April 2006 were declassified and released, and as I noted here, Fallows’s experts and the NIE came to pretty much the same conclusions. [...] […] I also quoted James Fallows’s “Declaring Victory” article from the September 2006 Atlantic Monthly, which I’m very sorry is available only to subscribers. However, I have blogged about this article here, here, and here, here, and probably elsewhere. In this article Fallows interviews a number of national security experts for their assessment of where the U.S. stands in its counterterrorism efforts. Shortly after this issue of Atlantic Monthly came out, parts of a National Intelligence Estimate of April 2006 were declassified and released, and as I noted here, Fallows’s experts and the NIE came to pretty much the same conclusions. […]

]]> by: The Mahablog » Unspeakable Truth http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-75342 Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:10:20 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-75342 [...] The point that Professor Bell only mentions, but which is critical, is that our overreaction is hurting us more than it’s hurting them. Several antiterrorism experts interviewed by James Fallows for this September 2006 Atlantic Monthly article made the same point most urgently. I blogged about this article here, here, and here, and probably elsewhere. Here’s an excerpt: No modern nation is immune to politically inspired violence, and even the best-executed antiterrorism strategy will not be airtight. [...] […] The point that Professor Bell only mentions, but which is critical, is that our overreaction is hurting us more than it’s hurting them. Several antiterrorism experts interviewed by James Fallows for this September 2006 Atlantic Monthly article made the same point most urgently. I blogged about this article here, here, and here, and probably elsewhere. Here’s an excerpt: No modern nation is immune to politically inspired violence, and even the best-executed antiterrorism strategy will not be airtight. […]

]]> by: The Mahablog » News That Isn’t News http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-34909 Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:30:16 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-34909 [...] From DeYoung’s and Mazzetti’s articles, it seems the NIE came to the same general conclusions as the experts consulted in James Fallows’s recent Atlantic Monthly article on national security. I blogged about this article here, here, and here, and probably elsewhere. [...] […] From DeYoung’s and Mazzetti’s articles, it seems the NIE came to the same general conclusions as the experts consulted in James Fallows’s recent Atlantic Monthly article on national security. I blogged about this article here, here, and here, and probably elsewhere. […]

]]> by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-22362 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:51:52 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-22362 <i>Have I been banned?</i> Not that I recall. Your comment that I'm answering posted. The spam filters may be having an off day. Have I been banned?

Not that I recall. Your comment that I’m answering posted.

The spam filters may be having an off day.

]]> by: The Mahablog » About That Graphic, II http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-22361 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:48:01 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-22361 [...] There&#8217;s something obscene about arguing over a graphic as we totter on the edge of World War III, but as I&#8217;ve been accused of being insensitive by people I respect I&#8217;m going to (reluctantly) open another thread for discussion of the infamous Lieberman blackface graphic. (If you are new here, please read my first post on the subject before commenting, and note that any comments that deliberately misrepresent what I wrote, or what other commenters write, will be deleted.) [...] […] There’s something obscene about arguing over a graphic as we totter on the edge of World War III, but as I’ve been accused of being insensitive by people I respect I’m going to (reluctantly) open another thread for discussion of the infamous Lieberman blackface graphic. (If you are new here, please read my first post on the subject before commenting, and note that any comments that deliberately misrepresent what I wrote, or what other commenters write, will be deleted.) […]

]]> by: BearCountry http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-22359 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:50:43 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-22359 What is the problem? I submitted a comment but Hashcash said that I am not allow to post. Have I been banned? I don't understand the problem. It said the comment has been logged but will not be posted. What is the problem? I submitted a comment but Hashcash said that I am not allow to post. Have I been banned? I don’t understand the problem. It said the comment has been logged but will not be posted.

]]> by: c u n d gulag http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-22355 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:03:11 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-22355 erinyes, I, like you, read the tea-leavesyears ago and saw what is happening. Believe me, I'm no rocket-scientist. But, I can read - unlike our Preznit. My parent's came here after WWII from Russia. They loved this country like they loved their children. Now, they look at, and read, the news and wonder 'what ever happened to America?' It's amazing how quickly things can change in 5 1/2 years. Just ask the follower's of Trotsky... Just ask a new-con.... They are ALL WAR CIMINAL'S!!!!! From Shrub to his stupidist supporter (and there are many of those). ALL of them! WAR CRIMINAL'S. Bin Lade couldn't have dreamed of doing to this country what Shrub and his enabler's have done. Not in his wildest dreams... erinyes,
I, like you, read the tea-leavesyears ago and saw what is happening. Believe me, I’m no rocket-scientist. But, I can read - unlike our Preznit.

My parent’s came here after WWII from Russia. They loved this country like they loved their children. Now, they look at, and read, the news and wonder ‘what ever happened to America?’

It’s amazing how quickly things can change in 5 1/2 years. Just ask the follower’s of Trotsky… Just ask a new-con….

They are ALL WAR CIMINAL’S!!!!! From Shrub to his stupidist supporter (and there are many of those). ALL of them! WAR CRIMINAL’S. Bin Lade couldn’t have dreamed of doing to this country what Shrub and his enabler’s have done. Not in his wildest dreams…

]]> by: erinyes http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-22279 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 03:19:16 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-22279 I remember telling my wife some 20 years ago that Israel would cause the next nuclear war and drag us into it. Here we are. The "American people" are going to have to decide if it is wise to enter the war of all wars to defend a country the size of New Jersey, a country that spies on us, meddles in our elections, and pumps billions from our treasury.(of course we will!) Our "leaders" are crazier than a bunch of sprayed bugs, about 1/3 of the population is praying for the end times, a second third don't know the difference between a neo-con and a chocolate eclair. Which leaves us, and believe it or not, we are making a difference. My constant nagging of friends and relatives is paying off, if only because the high fuel prices got their attention... about 3 years ago, I sent out letters and e-mails to everyone I know warning of exactly what is now happening, they thought I'd lost my mind, but now most have told me I was right and wonder how I figured it out.I hope it's not too late Sorry to tell you folks, but we may be facing very high food prices and even shortages in the near future because of the wacky weather and high fuel prices (world wide).I shudder to think how the people of Iraq and Lebanon will get food since their nations have been badly disrupted by war and farming as well as infrastructure damage hampering transportation.I don't want to live in or near a large city if the shit hits the fan. Desperate people do bad things. Think of what would happen if the US joins Israel in an attack on Iran and Syria..... What would Russia, China, The EU, the African nations, South America, and all of the Muslim world do? Most likely one big-assed boycott at least, perhaps sanctions or military action.Think about the economic damage it would do, we've already thrown billions away on Iraq and Afghanistan ( Not to mention Colombia, Rep. Of Georgia, Uzbekistan, etc, etc.) It's a big world, and they're getting weary of our Scaramouch president's B.S. World war to satisfy Israel? Let 'em eat cake. Bush's base is crumbling, but we've got to break it down faster. I remember telling my wife some 20 years ago that Israel would cause the next nuclear war and drag us into it. Here we are.
The “American people” are going to have to decide if it is wise to enter the war of all wars to defend a country the size of New Jersey, a country that spies on us, meddles in our elections, and pumps billions from our treasury.(of course we will!)
Our “leaders” are crazier than a bunch of sprayed bugs, about 1/3 of the population is praying for the end times, a second third don’t know the difference between a neo-con and a chocolate eclair.
Which leaves us, and believe it or not, we are making a difference. My constant nagging of friends and relatives is paying off, if only because the high fuel prices got their attention… about 3 years ago, I sent out letters and e-mails to everyone I know warning of exactly what is now happening, they thought I’d lost my mind, but now most have told me I was right and wonder how I figured it out.I hope it’s not too late
Sorry to tell you folks, but we may be facing very high food prices and even shortages in the near future because of the wacky weather and high fuel prices (world wide).I shudder to think how the people of Iraq and Lebanon will get food since their nations have been badly disrupted by war and farming as well as infrastructure damage hampering transportation.I don’t want to live in or near a large city if the shit hits the fan. Desperate people do bad things.
Think of what would happen if the US joins Israel in an attack on Iran and Syria…..
What would Russia, China, The EU, the African nations, South America, and all of the Muslim world do? Most likely one big-assed boycott at least, perhaps sanctions or military action.Think about the economic damage it would do, we’ve already thrown billions away on Iraq and Afghanistan ( Not to mention Colombia, Rep. Of Georgia, Uzbekistan, etc, etc.) It’s a big world, and they’re getting weary of our Scaramouch president’s B.S.
World war to satisfy Israel?
Let ‘em eat cake.
Bush’s base is crumbling, but we’ve got to break it down faster.

]]> by: moonbat http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-22275 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 02:26:05 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/04/good-new-bad-news-part-ii/#comment-22275 There's a difference between conceding defeat - either implicit or explicit - and admitting we were wrong. Conceding defeat emboldens our enemies. Admitting we were wrong, and finding ways to right that wrong won't eliminate all our enemies, but is a step in the right direction. Ultimately this is the direction we will have to take. There's a dawning realization, that you've touched on in other posts, about the limits of our vast military power. Concomitant with that is the discovery of the importance of our once-great moral authority. As Joni Mitchell sang "You don't know what you've got till it's gone". We have to regain this. Admitting we were wrong - - is immensely more complicated now, with the proxy war going on in Israel / Lebanon. - is impossible with the current set of bad boys running the country, engrossed in their World Domination Tour - will require a clean sweep of the leadership in America, at the very minimum. Didn't Christ say something like "If you only knew what made for peace"? (I may be putting words in his mouth). There’s a difference between conceding defeat - either implicit or explicit - and admitting we were wrong.

Conceding defeat emboldens our enemies. Admitting we were wrong, and finding ways to right that wrong won’t eliminate all our enemies, but is a step in the right direction. Ultimately this is the direction we will have to take.

There’s a dawning realization, that you’ve touched on in other posts, about the limits of our vast military power. Concomitant with that is the discovery of the importance of our once-great moral authority. As Joni Mitchell sang “You don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone”. We have to regain this.

Admitting we were wrong -

- is immensely more complicated now, with the proxy war going on in Israel / Lebanon.

- is impossible with the current set of bad boys running the country, engrossed in their World Domination Tour

- will require a clean sweep of the leadership in America, at the very minimum.

Didn’t Christ say something like “If you only knew what made for peace”? (I may be putting words in his mouth).

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