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		<title>by: c u n d gulag</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/17/can-dems-find-their-mojo/#comment-29145</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I know I'm a bit late to this, but here's some hope:
http://www.citizen.org/congress/campaign/links/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I know I&#8217;m a bit late to this, but here&#8217;s some hope:<br />
<a href='http://www.citizen.org/congress/campaign/links/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.citizen.org/congress/campaign/links/</a>
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		<title>by: felicity smith</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/17/can-dems-find-their-mojo/#comment-28399</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Maha, .  (By the way, changing our electoral system, in fact our presidential system of government, is an understood must, and yes I'm an optomist)  you made my point.  That's exactly what we need, a good old-fashioned brawl and some major after-shocks.  4 parties, 10 parties or anything else to shake up this mess is better than staying in this pit and rearranging the snakes. The average American is getting shafted big time by his government - Democrat and Republican. and nothing is going to change that government short of a revolution.  Tell me how you're going to stage one, and I might follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maha, .  (By the way, changing our electoral system, in fact our presidential system of government, is an understood must, and yes I&#8217;m an optomist)  you made my point.  That&#8217;s exactly what we need, a good old-fashioned brawl and some major after-shocks.  4 parties, 10 parties or anything else to shake up this mess is better than staying in this pit and rearranging the snakes. The average American is getting shafted big time by his government - Democrat and Republican. and nothing is going to change that government short of a revolution.  Tell me how you&#8217;re going to stage one, and I might follow.
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		<title>by: janinsanfran</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/17/can-dems-find-their-mojo/#comment-28266</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>A Californian perspective:
Rebuilding the Dems requires getting serous about noticing the demographic earthquake in this country. The base of the Democratic Party today is NOT WHITE. About 35 percent of our vote comes from people of color. Given that the Republicans are actively courting the racist white vote, Dems should continue to get most of the non-white vote. By 2050 the majority of the population will not be white. (That's not the majority of the electorate, a much slower transition.) The Reps will continue to be the party of the old and the white. They will continue to create stuctural obstacles to popular democracy that would boot them out of power (for example,  cut backs to funding for college education serve this purpose.) 

We are dealing with unspoken racial terror in the political system. 

Dems have to be the party of the emerging majority. Our leaders show next to zero understanding of this elementary numerical fact, nor do they yet reflect this shift in their persons. But they'll learn. California is ahead of the national curve on this, both in the expression of the racial tensions and on the poltical remedy. And we're pretty reliably Democratic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A Californian perspective:<br />
Rebuilding the Dems requires getting serous about noticing the demographic earthquake in this country. The base of the Democratic Party today is NOT WHITE. About 35 percent of our vote comes from people of color. Given that the Republicans are actively courting the racist white vote, Dems should continue to get most of the non-white vote. By 2050 the majority of the population will not be white. (That&#8217;s not the majority of the electorate, a much slower transition.) The Reps will continue to be the party of the old and the white. They will continue to create stuctural obstacles to popular democracy that would boot them out of power (for example,  cut backs to funding for college education serve this purpose.) </p>
	<p>We are dealing with unspoken racial terror in the political system. </p>
	<p>Dems have to be the party of the emerging majority. Our leaders show next to zero understanding of this elementary numerical fact, nor do they yet reflect this shift in their persons. But they&#8217;ll learn. California is ahead of the national curve on this, both in the expression of the racial tensions and on the poltical remedy. And we&#8217;re pretty reliably Democratic.
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		<title>by: John O</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/17/can-dems-find-their-mojo/#comment-28150</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My posts are far less lengthy than Maha's, but the point being made is essentially the same.  It takes different message deliveries to get across the message to different constituencies.

Feckless Dems.

Read:  Democrats Are Stupid At Politics.

http://jonorato42.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/democrats-are-stupid-at-politics/

The posts above expand the point.

This is it, folks.  2006.  An off-year election.

And I almost hope the Dems lose, for the reasons I state in my own blog.  They've done a terrible job preparing us for the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My posts are far less lengthy than Maha&#8217;s, but the point being made is essentially the same.  It takes different message deliveries to get across the message to different constituencies.</p>
	<p>Feckless Dems.</p>
	<p>Read:  Democrats Are Stupid At Politics.</p>
	<p><a href='http://jonorato42.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/democrats-are-stupid-at-politics/' rel='nofollow'>http://jonorato42.wordpress.com/2006/08/17/democrats-are-stupid-at-politics/</a></p>
	<p>The posts above expand the point.</p>
	<p>This is it, folks.  2006.  An off-year election.</p>
	<p>And I almost hope the Dems lose, for the reasons I state in my own blog.  They&#8217;ve done a terrible job preparing us for the future.
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/17/can-dems-find-their-mojo/#comment-28118</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;The Big Solid Block of Citizens is ready and willing and able to act the minute the Dem establishment quits squabbling and unifies. But as long as Dems are fighting among themselves or triangulating themselves to death, the Big Solid Block of Citizens is gonna have to go after them with hot pokers and cattle prods.&lt;/i&gt;

OK; the point is we go after them. We make noise. We get their attention. We punish them when they're bad and reward them when they're good. We haven't done nearly enough of that for many, many years, and that's partly why they're such wusses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The Big Solid Block of Citizens is ready and willing and able to act the minute the Dem establishment quits squabbling and unifies. But as long as Dems are fighting among themselves or triangulating themselves to death, the Big Solid Block of Citizens is gonna have to go after them with hot pokers and cattle prods.</i></p>
	<p>OK; the point is we go after them. We make noise. We get their attention. We punish them when they&#8217;re bad and reward them when they&#8217;re good. We haven&#8217;t done nearly enough of that for many, many years, and that&#8217;s partly why they&#8217;re such wusses.
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/17/can-dems-find-their-mojo/#comment-28115</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;severely reducing the money and power available to the present two major parties&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah,that's a problem. People don't understand that in countries with lots of functioning parties, a runoff system sees to it that, for example, two progressive candidates don't split the majority vote and allow a conservative to win who was the voters' third choice. And that allows a strong third party to win some elections and slowly build a base. 

Here it just doesn't happen, even though since the 1840s or so many, many people have worked very hard trying to establish national third parties. It's going to be a whole lot easier to reform the Democrats. 

I still say a third party is an illusory  solution, anyway. We've got to stop looking for the Magic Candidate to come and rescue us, and instead reform our political processes and institutions from top to  bottom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>severely reducing the money and power available to the present two major parties</i></p>
	<p>Yeah,that&#8217;s a problem. People don&#8217;t understand that in countries with lots of functioning parties, a runoff system sees to it that, for example, two progressive candidates don&#8217;t split the majority vote and allow a conservative to win who was the voters&#8217; third choice. And that allows a strong third party to win some elections and slowly build a base. </p>
	<p>Here it just doesn&#8217;t happen, even though since the 1840s or so many, many people have worked very hard trying to establish national third parties. It&#8217;s going to be a whole lot easier to reform the Democrats. </p>
	<p>I still say a third party is an illusory  solution, anyway. We&#8217;ve got to stop looking for the Magic Candidate to come and rescue us, and instead reform our political processes and institutions from top to  bottom.
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		<title>by: sisyphus</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/17/can-dems-find-their-mojo/#comment-28072</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Maha,
I like your analysis. I was around when FDR came to power.
Two things stick in my mind
1. He was running against Hoover, a bumbler much like Bush.
2. He was strong in his own right. Not a eunoch.
As you have pointed out, the current flock of Dem hopefuls are eunochs. 

Suggestion: let's run maha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maha,<br />
I like your analysis. I was around when FDR came to power.<br />
Two things stick in my mind<br />
1. He was running against Hoover, a bumbler much like Bush.<br />
2. He was strong in his own right. Not a eunoch.<br />
As you have pointed out, the current flock of Dem hopefuls are eunochs. </p>
	<p>Suggestion: let&#8217;s run maha
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		<title>by: Che Pasa</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/17/can-dems-find-their-mojo/#comment-28056</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;They will do it when they know there is a big, solid block of citizens who have their backs, and who will support them and reward them for it. In recent years straight-talking Dems get smacked down pretty hard, and they don’t see any reward.&lt;/i&gt;

Hm. Interesting point. However. 

&quot;Dems&quot; -- straight talking or mush-mouthed -- get smaked down pretty hard all the time -- by media and the Rs and a whole lot of other Dems, whether or not anyone's got their back as it were. 

As for rewards, well. It looks like Lieberman gets rewarded for his backstabbing, betrayal, and hypocrisy (to mention a few of his character traits) with gigs on FOX News, invitations to the White House, kisses from On High, and endorsements from Ann Coulter. Life is good, isn't it? And just look how tenacious and back-boned this straight talking (ex-)Dem is! Wow! 

And when straight talking (real-)Dems fight through instead of caving in the face of the shit storm that is bound to happen whatever they say or do, for that's the way the world works, they are rewarded with, oh, the DNC chairmanship, gigs on FOX News (ie: Wes Clark) and loud praise from the roots. 

It's when they vacillate or cave in the face of the shit storm they &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; is coming, no matter what they say or do, or when they push each other out of the way to get on camera to denounce one of their own (as Big Dems used to love to do to Howard Dean) that they run into major problems with the folks.

The Big Solid Block of Citizens is ready and willing and able to act the minute the Dem establishment quits squabbling and unifies. But as long as Dems are fighting among themselves or triangulating themselves to death, the Big Solid Block of Citizens is gonna have to go after them with hot pokers and cattle prods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>They will do it when they know there is a big, solid block of citizens who have their backs, and who will support them and reward them for it. In recent years straight-talking Dems get smacked down pretty hard, and they don’t see any reward.</i></p>
	<p>Hm. Interesting point. However. </p>
	<p>&#8220;Dems&#8221; &#8212; straight talking or mush-mouthed &#8212; get smaked down pretty hard all the time &#8212; by media and the Rs and a whole lot of other Dems, whether or not anyone&#8217;s got their back as it were. </p>
	<p>As for rewards, well. It looks like Lieberman gets rewarded for his backstabbing, betrayal, and hypocrisy (to mention a few of his character traits) with gigs on FOX News, invitations to the White House, kisses from On High, and endorsements from Ann Coulter. Life is good, isn&#8217;t it? And just look how tenacious and back-boned this straight talking (ex-)Dem is! Wow! </p>
	<p>And when straight talking (real-)Dems fight through instead of caving in the face of the shit storm that is bound to happen whatever they say or do, for that&#8217;s the way the world works, they are rewarded with, oh, the DNC chairmanship, gigs on FOX News (ie: Wes Clark) and loud praise from the roots. </p>
	<p>It&#8217;s when they vacillate or cave in the face of the shit storm they <i>know</i> is coming, no matter what they say or do, or when they push each other out of the way to get on camera to denounce one of their own (as Big Dems used to love to do to Howard Dean) that they run into major problems with the folks.</p>
	<p>The Big Solid Block of Citizens is ready and willing and able to act the minute the Dem establishment quits squabbling and unifies. But as long as Dems are fighting among themselves or triangulating themselves to death, the Big Solid Block of Citizens is gonna have to go after them with hot pokers and cattle prods.
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		<title>by: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/17/can-dems-find-their-mojo/#comment-28033</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Of course the REAL SOLUTION (tm) is to change our voting system.  The one we have is antiquated in the extreme, and there are lots of better ideas out there.

Will never happen, tho, because it would have the effect of severely reducing the money and power available to the present two major parties, and it's the present two major parties that would have to vote a new system in ... catch-22 there if ever I saw one...

-me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Of course the REAL SOLUTION &#8482; is to change our voting system.  The one we have is antiquated in the extreme, and there are lots of better ideas out there.</p>
	<p>Will never happen, tho, because it would have the effect of severely reducing the money and power available to the present two major parties, and it&#8217;s the present two major parties that would have to vote a new system in &#8230; catch-22 there if ever I saw one&#8230;</p>
	<p>-me
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/17/can-dems-find-their-mojo/#comment-28029</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;But how about 4 parties?&lt;/i&gt;

Ah, yes, reminds me of the good old days and the election of 1860. It was a four-way brawl. Northern Democrats nominated Stephen Douglas. Southern Democrats nominated John Breckinridge. There was a new party called the Constitutional Union Party that nominated a fella named John Bell. And then there was another new group called Republicans who nominated some guy named Abe Lincoln. Yeah, that election had some &lt;i&gt;aftershocks&lt;/i&gt;, I tell you.

The interesting thing about that election is that it was the only time since the 18th century there was only one long-established party running a candidate. The earlier &quot;second&quot; party, the Whigs, fell apart in the 1850s. 

Seriously, it baffles me why anyone would talk about other parties. The way we hold elections, with the winner-take-all outcome instead of runoffs, makes third, fourth, fifth, or whatever parties irrelevant. And hopeless. 

If we fix the political culture, the Dems ought to be able to be the party they used to be. Better, actually, because they won't be shackled by the Dixiecrats. If we don't fix the political culture, no other party is going to be able to do the job for us, either. 

&lt;i&gt;Dems will easily drift to a third party.&lt;/i&gt;

No, they won't. I've heard that one before; they won't. 

&lt;i&gt;The people who argue and will continue to argue against a multi-party democracy are the entrenched hierarchy of the two parties in power.&lt;/i&gt;

I'm fine with a multi-party democracy, and as soon as we change the winner-take-all system, then I'll listen seriously to talk of third parties. Until then, it's foolish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>But how about 4 parties?</i></p>
	<p>Ah, yes, reminds me of the good old days and the election of 1860. It was a four-way brawl. Northern Democrats nominated Stephen Douglas. Southern Democrats nominated John Breckinridge. There was a new party called the Constitutional Union Party that nominated a fella named John Bell. And then there was another new group called Republicans who nominated some guy named Abe Lincoln. Yeah, that election had some <i>aftershocks</i>, I tell you.</p>
	<p>The interesting thing about that election is that it was the only time since the 18th century there was only one long-established party running a candidate. The earlier &#8220;second&#8221; party, the Whigs, fell apart in the 1850s. </p>
	<p>Seriously, it baffles me why anyone would talk about other parties. The way we hold elections, with the winner-take-all outcome instead of runoffs, makes third, fourth, fifth, or whatever parties irrelevant. And hopeless. </p>
	<p>If we fix the political culture, the Dems ought to be able to be the party they used to be. Better, actually, because they won&#8217;t be shackled by the Dixiecrats. If we don&#8217;t fix the political culture, no other party is going to be able to do the job for us, either. </p>
	<p><i>Dems will easily drift to a third party.</i></p>
	<p>No, they won&#8217;t. I&#8217;ve heard that one before; they won&#8217;t. </p>
	<p><i>The people who argue and will continue to argue against a multi-party democracy are the entrenched hierarchy of the two parties in power.</i></p>
	<p>I&#8217;m fine with a multi-party democracy, and as soon as we change the winner-take-all system, then I&#8217;ll listen seriously to talk of third parties. Until then, it&#8217;s foolish.
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