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		<title>By: Matthew Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/30/fantasy-fascists/comment-page-1/#comment-32927</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 07:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One great irony here ... at the head of the line sounding the alarm against the rising threat of fascism.  Those damn Communists.  Always ruining these photo ops.  I wonder how long they will remain erased from the picture standing there next to Churchill shouting into the wind in the 1930&#039;s.  I can picture Rummy in his uniform in Spain now ... standing next to Orwell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One great irony here &#8230; at the head of the line sounding the alarm against the rising threat of fascism.  Those damn Communists.  Always ruining these photo ops.  I wonder how long they will remain erased from the picture standing there next to Churchill shouting into the wind in the 1930&#8217;s.  I can picture Rummy in his uniform in Spain now &#8230; standing next to Orwell.</p>
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		<title>By: erinyes</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/30/fantasy-fascists/comment-page-1/#comment-32506</link>
		<dc:creator>erinyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drewsmom fell off her rocker. Holy zanax!
Please keep her around Maha, listening to he rant is like unwrapping a mummy, you never know what&#039;ll pop up next...
If I&#039;m waiting for a nuke on the front yard, I&#039;ll have a VERY long wait, and it won&#039;t come from Eye-Ran.
Jeeeesh!!
Besides, a debate between Dubya and Ahmadinjad would be something to behold, maybe they&#039;d get into a bit of jello wrestling afterwards....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drewsmom fell off her rocker. Holy zanax!<br />
Please keep her around Maha, listening to he rant is like unwrapping a mummy, you never know what&#8217;ll pop up next&#8230;<br />
If I&#8217;m waiting for a nuke on the front yard, I&#8217;ll have a VERY long wait, and it won&#8217;t come from Eye-Ran.<br />
Jeeeesh!!<br />
Besides, a debate between Dubya and Ahmadinjad would be something to behold, maybe they&#8217;d get into a bit of jello wrestling afterwards&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Drewsmom</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/30/fantasy-fascists/comment-page-1/#comment-32394</link>
		<dc:creator>Drewsmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 01:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whats the matter with the work Islamofascist, if the shoe fits wear it,  Thats what these wackos are guys.
What are yall waiting for, a nuke on your front yard?
You simply amaze me.!!!!  Maybe jimmah carta can converse with the Islamofacist moooolah coming over, the same loons that spit in his eye back during the hostage crisis, maybe jimmah can get this PEACE loving mooolah to get the maniac prez of iran to quit trying to make nukes to kill us and all the Jews.  Now that would be the real reason for him to claim to Noble prize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats the matter with the work Islamofascist, if the shoe fits wear it,  Thats what these wackos are guys.<br />
What are yall waiting for, a nuke on your front yard?<br />
You simply amaze me.!!!!  Maybe jimmah carta can converse with the Islamofacist moooolah coming over, the same loons that spit in his eye back during the hostage crisis, maybe jimmah can get this PEACE loving mooolah to get the maniac prez of iran to quit trying to make nukes to kill us and all the Jews.  Now that would be the real reason for him to claim to Noble prize.</p>
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		<title>By: r4d20</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/08/30/fantasy-fascists/comment-page-1/#comment-32390</link>
		<dc:creator>r4d20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 00:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not steamed, because I have stopped expecting anything better from this Administration.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;Anyone with a grasp of history knows that “fascism” entails intense nationalism and collaboration with large corporations, both of which Islamists reject.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

1)Islamists believe that the Umma, the worldwide muslim community, &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be united into a single political entity - a new Caliphate...and new Muslim &quot;Nation&quot;.  Therefore  I think it is simplistic and somewhat misleading to say that Islamists reject &quot;Nationalism&quot;.  Yes, they do not have any strong loyalty to any &lt;i&gt;existing&lt;/i&gt; nation-state.   On the otherhand, their attitude towards the &quot;Umma&quot; does not strike me as fundamentally different from the attitude of a &quot;UltraNationalist&quot; towards his chosen nation.  

I&#039;m just an Agnostic/Atheist, so maybe I&#039;m out of my league, but is &quot;Nationalism&quot; REALLY all that different from the glorification of any other abstract collective entity/idenitity? &lt;b&gt; Is there really much difference between &quot;My Nation uber-alles&quot;, &quot;My Race uber alles?&quot;, and &quot;My Religion uber alles&quot;?&lt;/b&gt;  Right now I think they are more alike than different.


2) Working with Large Corporations?  Please correct me if I am wrong but I have always felt that this &quot;aspect&quot; of Facism was much less important in defining the character of the movement than the aspects like glorification of  violence and brutality towads &#039;enemies&#039;, glorification of the collective over the individual, and the desire to recreate a glorious, mythical, past.   Frankly, if a movement features all of those things I don&#039;t think &quot;failure to work with large corporations&quot;  is a good argument against calling it Fascist.  

There ARE &quot;problems&quot; with the term Islamo-Fascist, but I think a lot of the criticisms of the term border on pendantic - confining themselves to point out minor techincal flaws based on very limited definitions of Fascism, while avoiding the two main questions:  1) &quot;Do the similarities outnumber the differences&quot;? and 2) &quot;If Islamo-Fascist is too inaccurate, what would be a better term&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not steamed, because I have stopped expecting anything better from this Administration.  </p>
<blockquote><p>Anyone with a grasp of history knows that “fascism” entails intense nationalism and collaboration with large corporations, both of which Islamists reject.
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<p>1)Islamists believe that the Umma, the worldwide muslim community, <i>should</i> be united into a single political entity &#8211; a new Caliphate&#8230;and new Muslim &#8220;Nation&#8221;.  Therefore  I think it is simplistic and somewhat misleading to say that Islamists reject &#8220;Nationalism&#8221;.  Yes, they do not have any strong loyalty to any <i>existing</i> nation-state.   On the otherhand, their attitude towards the &#8220;Umma&#8221; does not strike me as fundamentally different from the attitude of a &#8220;UltraNationalist&#8221; towards his chosen nation.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just an Agnostic/Atheist, so maybe I&#8217;m out of my league, but is &#8220;Nationalism&#8221; REALLY all that different from the glorification of any other abstract collective entity/idenitity? <b> Is there really much difference between &#8220;My Nation uber-alles&#8221;, &#8220;My Race uber alles?&#8221;, and &#8220;My Religion uber alles&#8221;?</b>  Right now I think they are more alike than different.</p>
<p>2) Working with Large Corporations?  Please correct me if I am wrong but I have always felt that this &#8220;aspect&#8221; of Facism was much less important in defining the character of the movement than the aspects like glorification of  violence and brutality towads &#8216;enemies&#8217;, glorification of the collective over the individual, and the desire to recreate a glorious, mythical, past.   Frankly, if a movement features all of those things I don&#8217;t think &#8220;failure to work with large corporations&#8221;  is a good argument against calling it Fascist.  </p>
<p>There ARE &#8220;problems&#8221; with the term Islamo-Fascist, but I think a lot of the criticisms of the term border on pendantic &#8211; confining themselves to point out minor techincal flaws based on very limited definitions of Fascism, while avoiding the two main questions:  1) &#8220;Do the similarities outnumber the differences&#8221;? and 2) &#8220;If Islamo-Fascist is too inaccurate, what would be a better term&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: moonbat</title>
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		<dc:creator>moonbat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful, maha. Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
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		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moonbat -- did I fix it right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moonbat &#8212; did I fix it right?</p>
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		<title>By: moonbat</title>
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		<dc:creator>moonbat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, I dropped a closing -italics- tag. Wish you&#039;d get the Preview feature working again.</description>
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		<title>By: moonbat</title>
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		<dc:creator>moonbat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IslamoFasicist is the new Nazi, but it&#039;s even more important in its effect to destroy the real meaning of the word &quot;fascism&quot;, in order to rob people of the vocabulary needed to identify what&#039;s going on in this country. It&#039;s a sophisticated two pronged attack as it both attempts to heighten our hatred of Islamic &lt;i&gt;fundamentalism&lt;/i&gt; while simultaneously taking the words out of our mouth to describe what&#039;s going on at home.

See Dave Neiwert&#039;s classic &lt;a href=&quot;http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/Rush%20Newspeak%20%20Fascism.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rush, Newspeak, and Fascism&lt;/a&gt; which focusses on how the right &lt;b&gt;deliberately&lt;/b&gt; destroys language by inverting or destroying the meaning of words. This is one of the ways in which they leave us tongue-tied, stammering and disarmed, while they rush forward in pushing their agenda. It&#039;s a linguistic blitzkrieg, that has taken us years to come to terms with.  We&#039;re only now just figuring out this framing thing, for example, per George Lakoff. The right is lightyears beyond framing.

&quot;IslamoFascist&quot; sounds like a slick, artificial brand name, a neologism that just rolls off your tongue, with the right amount of sharpness and self-evident obviousness, put together with almost as much care as Toyota marketeers invented the word &quot;Lexus&quot; to describe their luxury division.

Anyone who hates fascism, and who hates this kind of linguistic manipulation should be calling the righties at every turn on this bogus conflation of words. If they steal our vocabulary for what&#039;s going on, then we can&#039;t talk about it, and it only exists, unarticulated in individual minds. It is an effective attempt to isolate members of the opposition, and the right has been successfully doing this for decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IslamoFasicist is the new Nazi, but it&#8217;s even more important in its effect to destroy the real meaning of the word &#8220;fascism&#8221;, in order to rob people of the vocabulary needed to identify what&#8217;s going on in this country. It&#8217;s a sophisticated two pronged attack as it both attempts to heighten our hatred of Islamic <i>fundamentalism</i> while simultaneously taking the words out of our mouth to describe what&#8217;s going on at home.</p>
<p>See Dave Neiwert&#8217;s classic <a href="http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/Rush%20Newspeak%20%20Fascism.pdf" rel="nofollow">Rush, Newspeak, and Fascism</a> which focusses on how the right <b>deliberately</b> destroys language by inverting or destroying the meaning of words. This is one of the ways in which they leave us tongue-tied, stammering and disarmed, while they rush forward in pushing their agenda. It&#8217;s a linguistic blitzkrieg, that has taken us years to come to terms with.  We&#8217;re only now just figuring out this framing thing, for example, per George Lakoff. The right is lightyears beyond framing.</p>
<p>&#8220;IslamoFascist&#8221; sounds like a slick, artificial brand name, a neologism that just rolls off your tongue, with the right amount of sharpness and self-evident obviousness, put together with almost as much care as Toyota marketeers invented the word &#8220;Lexus&#8221; to describe their luxury division.</p>
<p>Anyone who hates fascism, and who hates this kind of linguistic manipulation should be calling the righties at every turn on this bogus conflation of words. If they steal our vocabulary for what&#8217;s going on, then we can&#8217;t talk about it, and it only exists, unarticulated in individual minds. It is an effective attempt to isolate members of the opposition, and the right has been successfully doing this for decades.</p>
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		<title>By: erinyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>erinyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t seem to make it work, so I emailed the page to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t seem to make it work, so I emailed the page to you.</p>
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		<title>By: erinyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>erinyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll try again Maha...
The poster appears at the bottom of the article.
I need to work on my linking skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll try again Maha&#8230;<br />
The poster appears at the bottom of the article.<br />
I need to work on my linking skills.</p>
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