Comments on: Bill of Rights, We Hardly Knew Ye http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/ Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:59:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: Undeniable Liberal http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35769 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:05:35 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35769 Much has been regarding the torture, but let's face it, the USA has been doing that for quite some time. Whether or not it's justified, or even right or wrong is a question that most of us really can't answer. But the parts of this bill that are most troubling is that The Cheney Menstruation has sole authority to determine who is an unlawful combatant. What the fuck, that could be some lowly blogger, who could end up in Camp Gitmo, being tried with"secret evidence". Even more troubling is that these fucktards are also given the power to determine what torture is or isn't. Trust me, this bill isn't so much about the "war on terror" as much as it is about controlling the masses once they wake the fuck up and realize that slowly and surely we have ended up being governed by a fascist regime, rivalled by none in the recent history of the world. It's an insurance policy for the impending revolution, pure and simple. Halliburton is already building massive prisons in anticipation of massive unrest, but that's something for a different post. Much has been regarding the torture, but let’s face it, the USA has been doing that for quite some time. Whether or not it’s justified, or even right or wrong is a question that most of us really can’t answer. But the parts of this bill that are most troubling is that The Cheney Menstruation has sole authority to determine who is an unlawful combatant. What the fuck, that could be some lowly blogger, who could end up in Camp Gitmo, being tried with”secret evidence”. Even more troubling is that these fucktards are also given the power to determine what torture is or isn’t. Trust me, this bill isn’t so much about the “war on terror” as much as it is about controlling the masses once they wake the fuck up and realize that slowly and surely we have ended up being governed by a fascist regime, rivalled by none in the recent history of the world. It’s an insurance policy for the impending revolution, pure and simple. Halliburton is already building massive prisons in anticipation of massive unrest, but that’s something for a different post.

]]> by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35766 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:01:33 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35766 <i>There is no particular curse on third parties. They have been formed regularly from the disaffected of one of the major parties in this county. It is correct that most have failed miserably. But one example much to the contrary is the 1854 founding of the Republic party.</i> The Republican Party is an anomaly. It ascended into the #2 position after the breakup of the Whigs; in effect, there was only one viable national party at the time. So, the two-party system still held. Over the years there have been a number of third parties that managed to get presidential candidates on a national ballot, but none had any effect except to split votes and help the least popular guy get elected. And they all collapsed after an election cycle or two. There is no particular curse on third parties. They have been formed regularly from the disaffected of one of the major parties in this county. It is correct that most have failed miserably. But one example much to the contrary is the 1854 founding of the Republic party.

The Republican Party is an anomaly. It ascended into the #2 position after the breakup of the Whigs; in effect, there was only one viable national party at the time. So, the two-party system still held.

Over the years there have been a number of third parties that managed to get presidential candidates on a national ballot, but none had any effect except to split votes and help the least popular guy get elected. And they all collapsed after an election cycle or two.

]]> by: xpara http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35749 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:52:43 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35749 There is no particular curse on third parties. They have been formed regularly from the disaffected of one of the major parties in this county. It is correct that most have failed miserably. But one example much to the contrary is the 1854 founding of the Republic party. The Republican party is a "third" party that has morphed twice into the Dixiecans of today. First, of course, it was formed of disaffected Whigs who had created a "third" party to combat the Jacksonian Democrats who in turn were a "third" party taking Jefferson's Democratic Republicans to an extreme Jefferson, accused of being a terrible radical during his presidency, found too radical to stomach in his old age. The Republican party, on hard times in the 60s, morphed into the Dixiecan party taking over the Democratic franchise on segregation in the Solid South and turning the South in a generation from overwhelmingly and reliably Democratic (if not exactly democratic) to Republican. Our quarrel is with the temporizing, quaking, money-grubbing elements of the Democratic party. Our war is with the Republicans who would once again dissolve our Union, not state by state, but right by right. And those Republicans are a solid majority of their party. Our quarrel may lead to morphing the Democratic party into a third party. Or it may lead to reform of the Democratic party. Either way is fine, but it will have to wait until we have some protection against the bully boys who would rob us blind while pillaging the Constitution. I think this is too great a country to dissolve once again into a great Civil War, although I know which side I will be on if it does. I also am optimistic that the corrupt cowards who rule us now do not have the stomach to rule with an iron fist of fascism. While malignant, they are incompetent, as we see again and again. While they can win elections, they have very little interest in governing once they win. Iraq was an election ploy more than anything else, and these bastards have no idea what to do about it now, not that they cared much about the outcome of anything but the 02 midterms and the 04 election in any case. It is their incompetence, not their malignancy, that will prevent any fascist takeover. That and their cowardice. Remember that all of the top GOP dogs (with the exception of Naval ROTC peacetime carrier pilot Rumsfelt) ducked any war they might have served in while proclaiming their patriotic manhood. Take heart. They have none. There is no particular curse on third parties. They have been formed regularly from the disaffected of one of the major parties in this county. It is correct that most have failed miserably. But one example much to the contrary is the 1854 founding of the Republic party.
The Republican party is a “third” party that has morphed twice into the Dixiecans of today. First, of course, it was formed of disaffected Whigs who had created a “third” party to combat the Jacksonian Democrats who in turn were a “third” party taking Jefferson’s Democratic Republicans to an extreme Jefferson, accused of being a terrible radical during his presidency, found too radical to stomach in his old age.
The Republican party, on hard times in the 60s, morphed into the Dixiecan party taking over the Democratic franchise on segregation in the Solid South and turning the South in a generation from overwhelmingly and reliably Democratic (if not exactly democratic) to Republican.
Our quarrel is with the temporizing, quaking, money-grubbing elements of the Democratic party. Our war is with the Republicans who would once again dissolve our Union, not state by state, but right by right. And those Republicans are a solid majority of their party.
Our quarrel may lead to morphing the Democratic party into a third party. Or it may lead to reform of the Democratic party. Either way is fine, but it will have to wait until we have some protection against the bully boys who would rob us blind while pillaging the Constitution.
I think this is too great a country to dissolve once again into a great Civil War, although I know which side I will be on if it does. I also am optimistic that the corrupt cowards who rule us now do not have the stomach to rule with an iron fist of fascism. While malignant, they are incompetent, as we see again and again. While they can win elections, they have very little interest in governing once they win. Iraq was an election ploy more than anything else, and these bastards have no idea what to do about it now, not that they cared much about the outcome of anything but the 02 midterms and the 04 election in any case.
It is their incompetence, not their malignancy, that will prevent any fascist takeover. That and their cowardice. Remember that all of the top GOP dogs (with the exception of Naval ROTC peacetime carrier pilot Rumsfelt) ducked any war they might have served in while proclaiming their patriotic manhood.
Take heart. They have none.

]]> by: Preston http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35702 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:38:24 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35702 Maha, if we don't participate in organized protests, how do you propose we affect the change that we know is badly needed? I am not particularly fond of the idea of protesting, but at a loss as to how not to feel so powerless at this point. Maha, if we don’t participate in organized protests, how do you propose we affect the change that we know is badly needed? I am not particularly fond of the idea of protesting, but at a loss as to how not to feel so powerless at this point.

]]> by: Spades R. Spades http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35691 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:33:34 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35691 Someone needs to point out that this long, incremental, downward spiral into the putrid pits of increasingly fascistic outrages, war based on a tissue of lies, and everything else one could mention...was greatly enabled by the American People themselves by being good sheeple in the face of the 'election' fiasco of 2000. The '04 'election' has been shown to be every bit as fraudulent and what was done about it? American society has clearly demonstrated, for many years, an undimished capacity to swallow The Big Lie while chasing it down with a big swig of denial. For snacks there is always the delicious delusion that somehow their votes, which are quite obviously manipulated or negated all together...will change matters significantly when the two major parties to 'choose' from are virtually two sides of the same bogus coin anyway. Third parties and charasmatic leaders don't look to be the answer either as they seem to fizzle out or end up dead before their time. It may also be observed that the present situation is but a reflection of what the people have stood by and allowed or denied for many years before this particular odious wrecking crew came along. If there is any hope at all, it surely must rest upon a truly massive recognition of the collective resposibility that has led to the deep abyss the country teeters at the edge of...and that has to be somehow then translated into even more massive demonstrations of People Power. The 'revolution' ain't gonna happen until there is one in the MINDS of a huge, united majority of people willing to put themselves on the line. The 'United' look to be too divided and far too comfortable with the avoidance of resposibiltiy and accountabilty to pull this one off..... Someone needs to point out that this long, incremental, downward spiral into the putrid pits of increasingly fascistic outrages, war based on a tissue of lies, and everything else one could mention…was greatly enabled by the American People themselves by being good sheeple in the face of the ‘election’ fiasco of 2000. The ‘04 ‘election’ has been shown to be every bit as fraudulent and what was done about it?
American society has clearly demonstrated, for many years, an undimished capacity to swallow The Big Lie while chasing it down with a big swig of denial. For snacks there is always the delicious delusion that somehow their votes, which are quite obviously manipulated or negated all together…will change matters significantly when the two major parties to ‘choose’ from are virtually two sides of the same bogus coin anyway.
Third parties and charasmatic leaders don’t look to be the answer either as they seem to fizzle out or end up dead before their time. It may also be observed that the present situation is but a reflection of what the people have stood by and allowed or denied for many years before this particular odious wrecking crew came along.
If there is any hope at all, it surely must rest upon a truly massive recognition of the collective resposibility that has led to the deep abyss the country teeters at the edge of…and that has to be somehow then translated into even more massive demonstrations of People Power. The ‘revolution’ ain’t gonna happen until there is one in the MINDS of a huge, united majority of people willing to put themselves on the line.
The ‘United’ look to be too divided and far too comfortable with the avoidance of resposibiltiy and accountabilty to pull this one off…..

]]> by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35690 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:32:28 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35690 Call me old and jaded, but I think we need another new protest movement like we need warts. Call me old and jaded, but I think we need another new protest movement like we need warts.

]]> by: Publicus http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35686 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:12:21 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35686 What we really need is a protest against dictatorship. Unfortunately, for the moment, this "worldcantwait.net" group is the best we can do... I sure something better targetted to what we all want—restoration of our republic and constitution—will appear soon. What we really need is a protest against dictatorship. Unfortunately, for the moment, this “worldcantwait.net” group is the best we can do…

I sure something better targetted to what we all want—restoration of our republic and constitution—will appear soon.

]]> by: Publicus http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35684 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:09:07 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35684 Preston: Here's what you can do: http://worldcantwait.net/ I'm not sure what this group stands for, although they are against torture. We need to bring posters that are pro-Constitution...our own messages... Preston:

Here’s what you can do:

http://worldcantwait.net/

I’m not sure what this group stands for, although they are against torture. We need to bring posters that are pro-Constitution…our own messages…

]]> by: Preston http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35677 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:28:39 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35677 Where are the organized protest groups? I want to do as much as I can to get this administration and its co-conspirators (republican and democrats) out of Washington! Where are the organized protest groups? I want to do as much as I can to get this administration and its co-conspirators (republican and democrats) out of Washington!

]]> by: Donna http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35667 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:24:06 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/28/bill-of-rights-we-hardly-knew-ye/#comment-35667 In the final wash of this obscene action, we will find that the real reason for this legislation has been to protect the butts of the torturers/lawbreakers of the Bush team. Their immediate plan was to write this legislation while the administration criminals have enough friends in the Congress.....but their long-term hope is that the inevitable justice branch constitutional and legal reviews will undo what the Congress has just done BUT leave the bits in about amnesty regarding the criminal behavior of those who brought this disgrace upon America. In the final wash of this obscene action, we will find that the real reason for this legislation has been to protect the butts of the torturers/lawbreakers of the Bush team. Their immediate plan was to write this legislation while the administration criminals have enough friends in the Congress…..but their long-term hope is that the inevitable justice branch constitutional and legal reviews will undo what the Congress has just done BUT leave the bits in about amnesty regarding the criminal behavior of those who brought this disgrace upon America.

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