Comments on: Choices http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/ Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration. Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:23:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: The Mahablog » Valley Forge II http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-219401 Wed, 23 May 2007 13:32:22 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-219401 [...] Before last fall’s midterm elections I wrote several posts (here’s one) arguing that electing a Democratic majority to Congress was just a tiny first step in a very long march. In fact, I had doubts electing a Democratic majority would effect much change at all. Rather, I saw it as a prerequisite for making change possible. Keeping a Republican majority in Congress would have kept us stuck where we were, at best. [...] […] Before last fall’s midterm elections I wrote several posts (here’s one) arguing that electing a Democratic majority to Congress was just a tiny first step in a very long march. In fact, I had doubts electing a Democratic majority would effect much change at all. Rather, I saw it as a prerequisite for making change possible. Keeping a Republican majority in Congress would have kept us stuck where we were, at best. […]

]]> by: The Lesser of Two Evils « Serving Truth http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-36460 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:11:36 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-36460 [...] I have to agree with Glenn Greenwald, Barbara O’Brien, &al. — voting Democrat may be the last chance we have to save the Republic. I am virtually a lifelong “small-l” libertarian; moreover, I was once actively involved with my local LP chapter, and have voted for a non-Libertarian only when there wasn’t a Libertarian running for the same office. I didn’t vote in 2004 because I didn’t think it would matter, which became a self-fulfilling prophecy. But I should have known how bad things were getting when I started longing for the days of the Clinton administration. [...] […] I have to agree with Glenn Greenwald, Barbara O’Brien, &al. — voting Democrat may be the last chance we have to save the Republic. I am virtually a lifelong “small-l” libertarian; moreover, I was once actively involved with my local LP chapter, and have voted for a non-Libertarian only when there wasn’t a Libertarian running for the same office. I didn’t vote in 2004 because I didn’t think it would matter, which became a self-fulfilling prophecy. But I should have known how bad things were getting when I started longing for the days of the Clinton administration. […]

]]> by: The Mahablog » Principles: Not What You Do, But What You Say? http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-36262 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:50:43 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-36262 [...] And the answer is, they don’t want to give the GOP grist for their talking point mill. And I would like to know how many of the Republicans who pushed for the fence have supporters and contributors who hire illegal aliens. But how many times have we discussed why support Democrats when we can’t trust them to support our values and principles? There are reasons for doing so, but they aren’t reasons that the Party would want to put in its campaign literature. “Because we don’t have a choice” isn’t all that inspirational. [...] […] And the answer is, they don’t want to give the GOP grist for their talking point mill. And I would like to know how many of the Republicans who pushed for the fence have supporters and contributors who hire illegal aliens. But how many times have we discussed why support Democrats when we can’t trust them to support our values and principles? There are reasons for doing so, but they aren’t reasons that the Party would want to put in its campaign literature. “Because we don’t have a choice” isn’t all that inspirational. […]

]]> by: notmax http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-35991 Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:53:00 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-35991 Excellent, and complements (and is complemented by) others, such as: <a href="http://voxd.blogsome.com/2006/09/28/big-vlad-little-vlad/" rel="nofollow">Big Vlad, Little Vlad</a> The time to shout "No, enough" is now. The danger to the republic is real. Every voice, every action can only help. Excellent, and complements (and is complemented by) others, such as:

Big Vlad, Little Vlad

The time to shout “No, enough” is now. The danger to the republic is real. Every voice, every action can only help.

]]> by: Nathanael Nerode http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-35946 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:15:49 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-35946 "but once the reigns of power are seized do the exact same thing" Thanatos, this is crap. The Democratic Party, even when in power, does not kidnap and torture people. The Republican Party does. It's as simple as that. “but once the reigns of power are seized do the exact same thing”
Thanatos, this is crap. The Democratic Party, even when in power, does not kidnap and torture people. The Republican Party does.

It’s as simple as that.

]]> by: Nathanael Nerode http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-35945 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:14:26 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-35945 Actually, there is an option other than armed revolution. Peaceful revolution. It's difficult. It means that hundreds of thousands of people will need to declare the government illegitimate, refuse to cooperate with it, and have massive street protests. It *will* lead to many of us being murdered by the Bushites. However, that will decisvely turn public opinion, which can lead to the resignation of the government through sheer pressure. I expect it to be necessary. I hope you're all ready. Actually, there is an option other than armed revolution.

Peaceful revolution. It’s difficult. It means that hundreds of thousands of people will need to declare the government illegitimate, refuse to cooperate with it, and have massive street protests. It *will* lead to many of us being murdered by the Bushites. However, that will decisvely turn public opinion, which can lead to the resignation of the government through sheer pressure.

I expect it to be necessary. I hope you’re all ready.

]]> by: The Tin Man » Oh, For a Helicopter http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-35819 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:23:42 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-35819 [...] [...] […] […]

]]> by: r4d20 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-35807 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:48:44 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-35807 <blockquote> It’s the citizen’s right and duty to overthrow a government when it does not follow the wants of the people, so maybe it’s time the American People do what they have to do, hmmm? </blockquote> ..he says, waiting for someone else to pick up the gun first.

It’s the citizen’s right and duty to overthrow a government when it does not follow the wants of the people, so maybe it’s time the American People do what they have to do, hmmm?

..he says, waiting for someone else to pick up the gun first.

]]> by: r4d20 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-35801 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:03:28 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-35801 As a Republican who hates Bush, I can't fathom why people would vote third-party. Bush made a deal with the Republican Congress soon after 9/11, "Don't fuck with me on the military stuff and I won't fuck with your pork-barrell spending!", and the last 5 years has been the result of this deal. Massive Debts and an incompetent president given free-reign over everything even remotely connected to "defense". Is it "almost too late"? No. Will the cost of rolling back the Bush legacy increase over time? Yes. The only way of stopping this machine before 2 more years pass is to give one more both houses to the Dems so that they can use their position to slow down or stop things like this disgrace of a "torture bill". Furthermore, as a republican who spent years reading Horowitz, etc. I can honestly say that it is only a matter of time before they start using anti-terror powers against political opponents - their heady mixture of insecurity and aggressiveness almost garauntees it. As a Republican who hates Bush, I can’t fathom why people would vote third-party.

Bush made a deal with the Republican Congress soon after 9/11, “Don’t fuck with me on the military stuff and I won’t fuck with your pork-barrell spending!”, and the last 5 years has been the result of this deal. Massive Debts and an incompetent president given free-reign over everything even remotely connected to “defense”.

Is it “almost too late”? No. Will the cost of rolling back the Bush legacy increase over time? Yes. The only way of stopping this machine before 2 more years pass is to give one more both houses to the Dems so that they can use their position to slow down or stop things like this disgrace of a “torture bill”.

Furthermore, as a republican who spent years reading Horowitz, etc. I can honestly say that it is only a matter of time before they start using anti-terror powers against political opponents - their heady mixture of insecurity and aggressiveness almost garauntees it.

]]> by: Thanatos http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-35787 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:40:19 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/29/choices/#comment-35787 I find it interesting that so many people here think the Democrats are the key to opposing Bush's regime. With the possible exception of the Clinton Administration, most democrats and republicans say they stand for different things, but once the reigns of power are seized do the exact same thing. Put more money into the pockets of the rich, letting the poor get poorer, letting the middle class bear increasingly more of the budgetary needs of running government, if thats is what you call it, and whether they are Republican or Democratic, the words change, but the same things happen. I mentioned the Clinton Administration because it had also was more of the same, except it had left a rather sizable surplus, which was immediately squandered by the Bush Administration. So in the end, I ask, what is the difference between the Democrats and the Republicans? The answer is none. It's the citizen's right and duty to overthrow a government when it does not follow the wants of the people, so maybe it's time the American People do what they have to do, hmmm? I find it interesting that so many people here think the Democrats are the key to opposing Bush’s regime. With the possible exception of the Clinton Administration, most democrats and republicans say they stand for different things, but once the reigns of power are seized do the exact same thing. Put more money into the pockets of the rich, letting the poor get poorer, letting the middle class bear increasingly more of the budgetary needs of running government, if thats is what you call it, and whether they are Republican or Democratic, the words change, but the same things happen. I mentioned the Clinton Administration because it had also was more of the same, except it had left a rather sizable surplus, which was immediately squandered by the Bush Administration. So in the end, I ask, what is the difference between the Democrats and the Republicans?

The answer is none.

It’s the citizen’s right and duty to overthrow a government when it does not follow the wants of the people, so maybe it’s time the American People do what they have to do, hmmm?

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