Comments on: Out of the Memory Hole http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/ Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration. Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:53:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: felicity smith http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-36145 Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:48:21 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-36145 wmr True, "we" did disrupt their priveleged, and in their eyes, deserved life-style. Of course, the New Deal, the Warren Court, the Great Society, graduated income tax, school busing, school desegregation, welfare, women's rights, peace marches and movements, burning draft cards, unions, reproductive choice, Miranda rights,,, and the glorious '60s have been eating at their guts for years. But I don't remember this much corruption all at once and permeating all branches of government, the media, and the corporate world. Besides which, and I hate to say it, a population not only suffering from some sort of mental ennui but so seemingly acquiescent to the rule of Big Brother. wmr

True, “we” did disrupt their priveleged, and in their eyes, deserved life-style. Of course, the New Deal, the Warren Court, the Great Society, graduated income tax, school busing, school desegregation, welfare, women’s rights, peace marches and movements, burning draft cards, unions, reproductive choice, Miranda rights,,, and the glorious ’60s have been eating at their guts for years.

But I don’t remember this much corruption all at once and permeating all branches of government, the media, and the corporate world. Besides which, and I hate to say it, a population not only suffering from some sort of mental ennui but so seemingly acquiescent to the rule of Big Brother.

]]> by: moonbat http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-36039 Sun, 01 Oct 2006 06:25:13 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-36039 Funny how, as a liberal I think of the 1960s as the Golden Age. Funny how, as a liberal I think of the 1960s as the Golden Age.

]]> by: Lynne http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-35982 Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:02:00 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-35982 Well, actually, Felicity, we have lived through something like this before - a little over a hundred years ago. All this reminds me of our so-called Golden Age. Well, actually, Felicity, we have lived through something like this before - a little over a hundred years ago. All this reminds me of our so-called Golden Age.

]]> by: wmr http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-35970 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:52:26 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-35970 felicity smith: I know how you feel, but I see it as the wealthy rolling the clock back to the 20's -- we little people took the country away from them for a while, but now their plan to get it back is bearing fruit. All that money spent on fake think tanks and buying up newspapers and radio stations is finally paying off. Seems like "one man, one vote" is being overtaken by "one dollar, one vote." felicity smith:

I know how you feel, but I see it as the wealthy rolling the clock back to the 20’s — we little people took the country away from them for a while, but now their plan to get it back is bearing fruit. All that money spent on fake think tanks and buying up newspapers and radio stations is finally paying off.

Seems like “one man, one vote” is being overtaken by “one dollar, one vote.”

]]> by: A Canadian Reader http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-35967 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:18:22 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-35967 Have you seen the video on how to cheat with a Diebold? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE1wQdCqrjE&mode=related&search= Have you seen the video on how to cheat with a Diebold?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE1wQdCqrjE&mode=related&search=

]]> by: felicity smith http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-35965 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:08:08 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-35965 Perhaps it's because I'm quite long-in-the-tooth - which does afford one a broad experience of "living" history - or I'm jaded - which also can come with age - but it would seem that we are experiencing an America of the corrupt, by the corrupt and for the corrupt - which certainly is not unique as nations go, but relatively unique to America. But then I say well, we've still got the vote . And then I read that there are four companies/corporations controlling our electronic voting processes, three of which are tied by the umbilical cord to the Republican party. Then I read that local election committees have abrogated their oversight responsibilities, which ultimately boils down to the fox guarding the hen house and I wonder, "Do I really have the vote?" There are many Richard Clarkes who speak out, but either can't be heard, speak out after the damage is done, and once they do seem unable to out-shout their detractors. It all leaves me with the feeling that this great republic that I've lived in and been proud of for 74 years is going to die before I do. Perhaps it’s because I’m quite long-in-the-tooth - which does afford one a broad experience of “living” history - or I’m jaded - which also can come with age - but it would seem that we are experiencing an America of the corrupt, by the corrupt and for the corrupt - which certainly is not unique as nations go, but relatively unique to America.

But then I say well, we’ve still got the vote . And then I read that there are four companies/corporations controlling our electronic voting processes, three of which are tied by the umbilical cord to the Republican party. Then I read that local election committees have abrogated their oversight responsibilities, which ultimately boils down to the fox guarding the hen house and I wonder, “Do I really have the vote?”

There are many Richard Clarkes who speak out, but either can’t be heard, speak out after the damage is done, and once they do seem unable to out-shout their detractors.

It all leaves me with the feeling that this great republic that I’ve lived in and been proud of for 74 years is going to die before I do.

]]> by: Bonnie http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-35962 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:28:22 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-35962 I remember that testimony by Clarke and was quite impressed at how he made his point without using those words about lying for the administration. I think the most important part of his testimony, which the repugs don't want to be reminded of, was his apology to the family members of the victims of 911. During that testimony Clarke represented the kind of federal government manager I was used to working for in my almost 30 plus years in the federal government. I only wish I had one supervisor half of skills, knowledge, and abilities shown by Clarke during that testimony. Now, I mostly refer to my higher level officials as my stupidvisors. Again, Maha, your superb analytical skills really help us cut through the bs. I remember that testimony by Clarke and was quite impressed at how he made his point without using those words about lying for the administration. I think the most important part of his testimony, which the repugs don’t want to be reminded of, was his apology to the family members of the victims of 911. During that testimony Clarke represented the kind of federal government manager I was used to working for in my almost 30 plus years in the federal government. I only wish I had one supervisor half of skills, knowledge, and abilities shown by Clarke during that testimony. Now, I mostly refer to my higher level officials as my stupidvisors.

Again, Maha, your superb analytical skills really help us cut through the bs.

]]> by: the talking dog http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-35960 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:02:43 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-35960 It becomes hard to argue, at some point, once you realize that the facts don't matter to these people. They have their official story, and by God, that's what they'll hold to. One can call it insane intransigence, or one can call it "discipline", but the result is the same. One wonders if there is enough energy available to call bullshit on these people everytime they open their mouths, but that seems to be necessary. Anyway, their real mission, of course, with the "it's Clinton's fault TOO" (which is really the best they can hope to come out of this) is to generate enough cynicism and apathy to keep turnout down sufficiently so that the gerrymandering, voter roll purging, i.d. checking, absentee ballot fraud and electronic machine-rigging will be sufficient to overcome the public's actual discontent with these bastards which would be reflected in anything approaching an "honest" election. Sad as it seems, they have had remarkable success with this formula, and I really don't see the kind of necessary broad countermeasures being set up. The biggest of all is get-out-the-vote... that's the one we've got to do... It becomes hard to argue, at some point, once you realize that the facts don’t matter to these people. They have their official story, and by God, that’s what they’ll hold to. One can call it insane intransigence, or one can call it “discipline”, but the result is the same. One wonders if there is enough energy available to call bullshit on these people everytime they open their mouths, but that seems to be necessary.

Anyway, their real mission, of course, with the “it’s Clinton’s fault TOO” (which is really the best they can hope to come out of this) is to generate enough cynicism and apathy to keep turnout down sufficiently so that the gerrymandering, voter roll purging, i.d. checking, absentee ballot fraud and electronic machine-rigging will be sufficient to overcome the public’s actual discontent with these bastards which would be reflected in anything approaching an “honest” election.

Sad as it seems, they have had remarkable success with this formula, and I really don’t see the kind of necessary broad countermeasures being set up. The biggest of all is get-out-the-vote… that’s the one we’ve got to do…

]]> by: erinyes http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-35937 Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:26:08 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/09/30/out-of-the-memory-hole/#comment-35937 "It appears the Bushies were forcing Clarke to lie for them." It appears they forced a number of others as well, including Colin Powell “It appears the Bushies were forcing Clarke to lie for them.”
It appears they forced a number of others as well, including Colin Powell

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