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		<title>By: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/11/29/etiquette-and-jim-webb/comment-page-1/#comment-52604</link>
		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 03:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mouth Breathers are leaving the usual offal on the thread so I&#039;m going to close it. I only want to explain to #40 that it&#039;s because I DO respect the office and position of the POTUS that I am so appalled a piece of crap like George W. Bush is in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mouth Breathers are leaving the usual offal on the thread so I&#8217;m going to close it. I only want to explain to #40 that it&#8217;s because I DO respect the office and position of the POTUS that I am so appalled a piece of crap like George W. Bush is in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kool-Aid Drinking Mouth Breather</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/11/29/etiquette-and-jim-webb/comment-page-1/#comment-52577</link>
		<dc:creator>Kool-Aid Drinking Mouth Breather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 01:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You just. Don&#039;t. Get it. You really expect to get somewhere when you encourage people to completely and totally disrespect the &lt;i&gt;office&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;position&lt;/i&gt; of the POTUS.

You have no idea what you&#039;re doing to tear this country down, and the really pathetic thing is, I know you&#039;re convinced that &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; don&#039;t get it.

Oh, and nice back-pedaling on this:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Not getting slugged is more respect than The Creature deserves.&lt;/i&gt;

Flame away, assholes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just. Don&#8217;t. Get it. You really expect to get somewhere when you encourage people to completely and totally disrespect the <i>office</i> and <i>position</i> of the POTUS.</p>
<p>You have no idea what you&#8217;re doing to tear this country down, and the really pathetic thing is, I know you&#8217;re convinced that <i>I</i> don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>Oh, and nice back-pedaling on this:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Not getting slugged is more respect than The Creature deserves.</i></p>
<p>Flame away, assholes.</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/11/29/etiquette-and-jim-webb/comment-page-1/#comment-52387</link>
		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Webb could have just nodded his head, posed for the pic, rubbed shoulders with the other Dems, then throw the pic in the trash later.&lt;/i&gt;

In other words, he could have just repressed and betrayed his love for his son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Webb could have just nodded his head, posed for the pic, rubbed shoulders with the other Dems, then throw the pic in the trash later.</i></p>
<p>In other words, he could have just repressed and betrayed his love for his son.</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/11/29/etiquette-and-jim-webb/comment-page-1/#comment-52386</link>
		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OC Chuck&#039;s perspective (#36) is interesting, in that he clearly says the person with the &quot;higher footing&quot; or the greater individual power is under less obligation to be gracious to others than someone who is subordinate. I think that point of view is seriously twisted and is certainly not based on the values on which our nation was founded. This goes back to the fact that righties are (whether they admit it or not) all about subordinating themselves to an authority figure. And it explains the rightie mindset and why they can&#039;t see that Bush was a great deal more in the wrong than Webb was. 

Also, for the record, I DON&#039;T think physical violence is called for against anyone except in self-defense, but I certainly understand an urge to punch out insufferable little assholes like Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OC Chuck&#8217;s perspective (#36) is interesting, in that he clearly says the person with the &#8220;higher footing&#8221; or the greater individual power is under less obligation to be gracious to others than someone who is subordinate. I think that point of view is seriously twisted and is certainly not based on the values on which our nation was founded. This goes back to the fact that righties are (whether they admit it or not) all about subordinating themselves to an authority figure. And it explains the rightie mindset and why they can&#8217;t see that Bush was a great deal more in the wrong than Webb was. </p>
<p>Also, for the record, I DON&#8217;T think physical violence is called for against anyone except in self-defense, but I certainly understand an urge to punch out insufferable little assholes like Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/11/29/etiquette-and-jim-webb/comment-page-1/#comment-52280</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OC, Bush gets a lot more respect than he deserves. We are in a war which is the product of deceit. We were lied to; Sadaam was not a threat; he was not aligned with terrorists. Bush withheld even from Powell the inconveient facts. Nearly 3000 GIs are dead. Somewhere between 50 and 600 thousand civilians are dead. Bush refuses even now to change the path of destruction he has charted. And you are amazed that people are rude to Bush. 

Bumper Sticker: 

&quot;If you&#039;re not outraged, you&#039;re not paying attention!&quot;

People are starting to pay attention; the election shows how outraged they are, and Bush is going to catch the brunt of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OC, Bush gets a lot more respect than he deserves. We are in a war which is the product of deceit. We were lied to; Sadaam was not a threat; he was not aligned with terrorists. Bush withheld even from Powell the inconveient facts. Nearly 3000 GIs are dead. Somewhere between 50 and 600 thousand civilians are dead. Bush refuses even now to change the path of destruction he has charted. And you are amazed that people are rude to Bush. </p>
<p>Bumper Sticker: </p>
<p>&#8220;If you&#8217;re not outraged, you&#8217;re not paying attention!&#8221;</p>
<p>People are starting to pay attention; the election shows how outraged they are, and Bush is going to catch the brunt of it.</p>
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		<title>By: OC Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>OC Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just went back and read your original post.  You think that physical violence against Bush would not be uncalled for.  I guess I won&#039;t be taken seriously here...

I&#039;ll leave you with this thought (and then I&#039;ll leave - no need to ban me): Have you ever been in a negotiation with someone on an equal or lesser footing, insulted that person, then expected to get what you wanted?  I know you think Bush insulted Webb, but I think Webb was out of line.  In either case, Bush is the one who has the higher footing (I assume you agree that the POTUS has more power than a Senator - but of course not as much as a king!).  If a Senator wants to gain concessions from a President, he should be cordial in person.

With a majority in Congress, the Dems can flex their muscles in that venue.  But one on one, the POTUS wins. Even if you don&#039;t like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just went back and read your original post.  You think that physical violence against Bush would not be uncalled for.  I guess I won&#8217;t be taken seriously here&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave you with this thought (and then I&#8217;ll leave &#8211; no need to ban me): Have you ever been in a negotiation with someone on an equal or lesser footing, insulted that person, then expected to get what you wanted?  I know you think Bush insulted Webb, but I think Webb was out of line.  In either case, Bush is the one who has the higher footing (I assume you agree that the POTUS has more power than a Senator &#8211; but of course not as much as a king!).  If a Senator wants to gain concessions from a President, he should be cordial in person.</p>
<p>With a majority in Congress, the Dems can flex their muscles in that venue.  But one on one, the POTUS wins. Even if you don&#8217;t like him.</p>
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		<title>By: OC Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>OC Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I was just raised to respect the office of the POTUS, whether it was populated by Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, or George Bush, legitimately elected or not.

A gracious person, a big person, would never have answered a  personal inquiry from any POTUS with a political jab.  It seems to me he was deliberately being belligerent to Bush.

Standard social ettiquette calls for politeness, even if you don&#039;t like  or disagree with the other person.  Could Bush have answered differently? Sure.  But I think he was trying not to have a political conversation and Webb wanted to make a political point.

I agree with earlier posts that it would not be appropriate to reject the invitation to the event.  But Webb could have just nodded his head, posed for the pic, rubbed shoulders with the other Dems, then throw the pic in the trash later.  I think his position on the war is well known.  It didn&#039;t stop Pelosi and others from posing with Bush in other meetings (even though they slam him in other settings).

I&#039;m not expecting to convince you that your position is wrong. I can accept your position that you think Bush was rude, I just want to make you aware of another reasonable point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I was just raised to respect the office of the POTUS, whether it was populated by Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, or George Bush, legitimately elected or not.</p>
<p>A gracious person, a big person, would never have answered a  personal inquiry from any POTUS with a political jab.  It seems to me he was deliberately being belligerent to Bush.</p>
<p>Standard social ettiquette calls for politeness, even if you don&#8217;t like  or disagree with the other person.  Could Bush have answered differently? Sure.  But I think he was trying not to have a political conversation and Webb wanted to make a political point.</p>
<p>I agree with earlier posts that it would not be appropriate to reject the invitation to the event.  But Webb could have just nodded his head, posed for the pic, rubbed shoulders with the other Dems, then throw the pic in the trash later.  I think his position on the war is well known.  It didn&#8217;t stop Pelosi and others from posing with Bush in other meetings (even though they slam him in other settings).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not expecting to convince you that your position is wrong. I can accept your position that you think Bush was rude, I just want to make you aware of another reasonable point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
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		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sounds like Jim Webb is jumping the gun a bit on his absolute moral authority.&lt;/i&gt;

Sounds like you&#039;re a Kool-Aid drinking mouth breather.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sounds like Jim Webb is jumping the gun a bit on his absolute moral authority.</i></p>
<p>Sounds like you&#8217;re a Kool-Aid drinking mouth breather.</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
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		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He was probably trying to start a conversation or just be polite.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s stunning to me the way you righties make excuses for the President&#039;s social ineptitude, if indeed that&#039;s what it was. A GRACIOUS person, a BIG person, would NEVER have said “I didn’t ask you that, I asked how he’s doing.” Only an ASSHOLE would say that. And, may I say, only an asshole wouldn&#039;t be able to see how out of line Bush was. It seems to me he was deliberately being belligerent to Webb.

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;I’d like to see any of you who think Webb was the hero here do that if you got invited to a party by your boss or CEO. Can you say “update my resume?”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

You prove my point. I&#039;ve worked for bosses who were martinets like that, and you&#039;re right. Your choices are to swallow your pride and let the boss dump on you, or you get another job. I&#039;ve done both, at different times. But when people in authority act this way, it indicates they are small, petty, insecure people, as well as assholes. This is not a trait I want to see in a POTUS. It&#039;s proof he is not worthy of the job. He&#039;s not worthy to sit in George Washington&#039;s chair. 

The POTUS is not Webb&#039;s employer, nor is he the king. The President the servant of the people, and he&#039;s a temporary resident in the people&#039;s house. You seem to think he&#039;s Louis XIV, and it&#039;s OK if he treats people like crap. Well, it&#039;s not OK with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He was probably trying to start a conversation or just be polite.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s stunning to me the way you righties make excuses for the President&#8217;s social ineptitude, if indeed that&#8217;s what it was. A GRACIOUS person, a BIG person, would NEVER have said “I didn’t ask you that, I asked how he’s doing.” Only an ASSHOLE would say that. And, may I say, only an asshole wouldn&#8217;t be able to see how out of line Bush was. It seems to me he was deliberately being belligerent to Webb.</p>
<p><i><b>I’d like to see any of you who think Webb was the hero here do that if you got invited to a party by your boss or CEO. Can you say “update my resume?”</b></i></p>
<p>You prove my point. I&#8217;ve worked for bosses who were martinets like that, and you&#8217;re right. Your choices are to swallow your pride and let the boss dump on you, or you get another job. I&#8217;ve done both, at different times. But when people in authority act this way, it indicates they are small, petty, insecure people, as well as assholes. This is not a trait I want to see in a POTUS. It&#8217;s proof he is not worthy of the job. He&#8217;s not worthy to sit in George Washington&#8217;s chair. </p>
<p>The POTUS is not Webb&#8217;s employer, nor is he the king. The President the servant of the people, and he&#8217;s a temporary resident in the people&#8217;s house. You seem to think he&#8217;s Louis XIV, and it&#8217;s OK if he treats people like crap. Well, it&#8217;s not OK with me.</p>
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		<title>By: OC Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>OC Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How&#039;s your boy?&quot;

Normal answers:
&quot;Fine.&quot;
&quot;He&#039;s [fill in the blank], but I wish he was home, not fighting a war.&quot;
&quot;He&#039;s [fill in the blank].  I just wish he didn&#039;t enlist and fight in this illegal war.  He must be an idiot (just ask Kerry &amp; Rangel).&quot;

Answer from a politician who doesn&#039;t answer the question that was asked:
&quot;I&#039;d like to get THEM out of Iraq.&quot;

Bush was asking a &quot;break the ice&quot; question.  (If he&#039;d referred to his son as a &quot;girl,&quot; that would have been insulting.  &quot;Boy&quot; is a term of endearment between fathers.)  He was probably trying to start a conversation or just be polite.  Webb responds with a political jab.  Bush responds with &quot;that&#039;s not what I asked,&quot; and Webb comes back with, in effect, &quot;Bite me.&quot;

I&#039;d like to see any of you who think Webb was the hero here do that if you got invited to a party by your boss or CEO.  Can you say &quot;update my resume?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How&#8217;s your boy?&#8221;</p>
<p>Normal answers:<br />
&#8220;Fine.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;He&#8217;s [fill in the blank], but I wish he was home, not fighting a war.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;He&#8217;s [fill in the blank].  I just wish he didn&#8217;t enlist and fight in this illegal war.  He must be an idiot (just ask Kerry &amp; Rangel).&#8221;</p>
<p>Answer from a politician who doesn&#8217;t answer the question that was asked:<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;d like to get THEM out of Iraq.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bush was asking a &#8220;break the ice&#8221; question.  (If he&#8217;d referred to his son as a &#8220;girl,&#8221; that would have been insulting.  &#8220;Boy&#8221; is a term of endearment between fathers.)  He was probably trying to start a conversation or just be polite.  Webb responds with a political jab.  Bush responds with &#8220;that&#8217;s not what I asked,&#8221; and Webb comes back with, in effect, &#8220;Bite me.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see any of you who think Webb was the hero here do that if you got invited to a party by your boss or CEO.  Can you say &#8220;update my resume?&#8221;</p>
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