Comments on: Whose Free Speech? http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/ Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration. Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:10:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: The Mahablog » Censored http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-59649 Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:46:14 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-59649 [...] Today the New York Times is running a “redacted” version of Flynt Leverett’s op-ed, discussed here. The column, headlined “Redacted Version of Original Op-Ed,” was published with black bars over the parts redacted. [...] […] Today the New York Times is running a “redacted” version of Flynt Leverett’s op-ed, discussed here. The column, headlined “Redacted Version of Original Op-Ed,” was published with black bars over the parts redacted. […]

]]> by: skippy http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57722 Mon, 18 Dec 2006 00:28:42 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57722 <i>but the “think before you speak” lick lifts the piece to the level of being almost clever. or maybe that’s just me.</i> that's just you, maha. granted, it tries to be satire. but it gets nowheres near "almost" clever. but the “think before you speak” lick lifts the piece to the level of being almost clever. or maybe that’s just me.

that’s just you, maha.

granted, it tries to be satire. but it gets nowheres near “almost” clever.

]]> by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57672 Sun, 17 Dec 2006 19:21:36 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57672 charles v -- thank you. I'd checked wayback before, of course, but I did find a couple of fragments I'm not sure I had before. Most of it is still lost, though. charles v — thank you. I’d checked wayback before, of course, but I did find a couple of fragments I’m not sure I had before. Most of it is still lost, though.

]]> by: charles v http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57668 Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:26:47 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57668 And archive.org also has copies of mahabarbara.tripod.com dating back to 2001: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://mahabarbara.tripod.com I don't know how regularly they archived your site, but that should provide you some of your hitherto lost content. And archive.org also has copies of mahabarbara.tripod.com dating back to 2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://mahabarbara.tripod.com

I don’t know how regularly they archived your site, but that should provide you some of your hitherto lost content.

]]> by: charles v http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57664 Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:22:21 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57664 archive.org has cached copies of mahablog.com dating back to apr 1, 2003, with a cursory examination revealing entries back to mar 27, 2003. http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://mahablog.com archive.org has cached copies of mahablog.com dating back to apr 1, 2003, with a cursory examination revealing entries back to mar 27, 2003.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://mahablog.com

]]> by: GDAEman http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57425 Sun, 17 Dec 2006 03:51:30 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57425 Flynt Leverett confirms my sense that the Iraq war is slipping into a war with Iran, regardless of any Iranian nuclear ambitions: http://gdaeman.blogspot.com/2006/11/war-in-iran-spreading-of-iraq-war.html Flynt Leverett confirms my sense that the Iraq war is slipping into a war with Iran, regardless of any Iranian nuclear ambitions:
http://gdaeman.blogspot.com/2006/11/war-in-iran-spreading-of-iraq-war.html

]]> by: lafrance http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57416 Sun, 17 Dec 2006 03:20:45 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57416 What is funny is that while using Classified to cover incompetence they DOD sent out on the web thier counterterrorism manuel. Seriously. It was on Hufpo. check it out. They put up classified info for the terrorists but, classify things that were never suppose to be. Go figure. What is funny is that while using Classified to cover incompetence they DOD sent out on the web thier counterterrorism manuel. Seriously. It was on Hufpo. check it out. They put up classified info for the terrorists but, classify things that were never suppose to be. Go figure.

]]> by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57396 Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:45:28 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57396 Avedon -- I'd agree with what you say if it were prohibitively difficult for someone to either set up a hosting service or his own web connections, but that doesn't seem to be the case. And the nature of the Internet is such that there are no national or geographic boundaries to which service one might use. But, again, all this rests on maintaining net neutrality. Again, if net neutrality is eliminated, we're screwed. I think if a privately owned company in particular chooses not to allow porn sites or the Ku Klux Klan to use its servers, that choice should be respected. Otherwise it's just another kind of government interference in private concerns. Avedon — I’d agree with what you say if it were prohibitively difficult for someone to either set up a hosting service or his own web connections, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. And the nature of the Internet is such that there are no national or geographic boundaries to which service one might use. But, again, all this rests on maintaining net neutrality. Again, if net neutrality is eliminated, we’re screwed.

I think if a privately owned company in particular chooses not to allow porn sites or the Ku Klux Klan to use its servers, that choice should be respected. Otherwise it’s just another kind of government interference in private concerns.

]]> by: Doug Hughes http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57393 Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:35:19 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57393 Bush is going after dissenters that can do his 'new' plan (which will look a lot like the old plan, with more troops) .. i was saying.. dissenters do his new plan serious damage. The ISG will be dismissed as being a 'liberal' plan, despite a few Republicans allowed as window dressing. However, Leverette sounds like a disillusioned conservative with credentials. So he will get a gag - even a temporary one - so Bush can try to take center stage and try to paint the picture (image is everything) of a great leader fighting RADICAL ISLAM &#38; the great threat of LIBERALISM at the same time! If you are not a terrorist or a liberal, you MUST support HIM!. Snarking from Republicans flocks that picture up like paintballers in an art gallery. As I said before, it's a good time for Dems to make nice with angry, disillusioned Republicans. Bush is going after dissenters that can do his ‘new’ plan (which will look a lot like the old plan, with more troops) .. i was saying.. dissenters do his new plan serious damage. The ISG will be dismissed as being a ‘liberal’ plan, despite a few Republicans allowed as window dressing. However, Leverette sounds like a disillusioned conservative with credentials. So he will get a gag - even a temporary one - so Bush can try to take center stage and try to paint the picture (image is everything) of a great leader fighting RADICAL ISLAM & the great threat of LIBERALISM at the same time! If you are not a terrorist or a liberal, you MUST support HIM!. Snarking from Republicans flocks that picture up like paintballers in an art gallery. As I said before, it’s a good time for Dems to make nice with angry, disillusioned Republicans.

]]> by: Avedon http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57389 Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:18:56 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/16/whose-free-speech/#comment-57389 Actually, I believe Internet hosts/providers should be granted common carrier status with the requirement that they have no control whatsoever over content and can remove content only after it has been proven in a court of law (entirely at the government's expense) to have been illegal. I don't want corporations standing-in for the government in removing what <i>they</i> consider to be controversial ("offensive") content. Bloggers do <i>not</i> have an unlimited number of options, and even if they do now, they won't once the government and corporations know they can slip censorship by us simply by making corporations responsible for doing the censoring. Remember, the organizations who have been lying to the public in accord with what the administration wants them to say are <i>corporations</i>, not government bodies. The fact that government and corporate bodies have acted in concert to censor and distort information should not be lost on anyone. Moreover, there are legislators <i>and</i> telcos working right now to try to find ways to take the Internet out of our hands. Government censorship is certainly a thing to be feared, but if they can get the corporations to do it for them, it's <i>still</i> censorship. Actually, I believe Internet hosts/providers should be granted common carrier status with the requirement that they have no control whatsoever over content and can remove content only after it has been proven in a court of law (entirely at the government’s expense) to have been illegal.

I don’t want corporations standing-in for the government in removing what they consider to be controversial (”offensive”) content. Bloggers do not have an unlimited number of options, and even if they do now, they won’t once the government and corporations know they can slip censorship by us simply by making corporations responsible for doing the censoring.

Remember, the organizations who have been lying to the public in accord with what the administration wants them to say are corporations, not government bodies. The fact that government and corporate bodies have acted in concert to censor and distort information should not be lost on anyone. Moreover, there are legislators and telcos working right now to try to find ways to take the Internet out of our hands. Government censorship is certainly a thing to be feared, but if they can get the corporations to do it for them, it’s still censorship.

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