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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/23/this-is-rich/#comment-62086</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Of course not. It is up to them to assimilate into our culture, not for us to assimilate into theirs.&lt;/i&gt;

Be careful about this &quot;our culture&quot; business. &quot;Our history&quot; includes a longstanding and virulent anti-Catholic streak. And &quot;our culture&quot; has changed considerably over the past couple of centuries because of immigration. 

&quot;Our nation&quot; may not have been founded by Muslims, but it wasn't founded by Christians, either, if you define &quot;Christian&quot; as someone who accepts the Doctrine of Trinity. 

This country has a long-standing tradition of allowing for communities of religious believers who separate themselves from mainstream culture. The Amish are a good example, but there have been many others, not all of which survive to the present day (like the Shakers). Others, like the Mormons, manage to work their way into the mainstream. And some, like Orthodox Jews in New York City, manage to maintain a separate culture even while living in the midst of mainstream culture. Not everyone &quot;assimilates,&quot; and that's OK as long as they aren't interfering with anyone else. 

THAT'S what this nation was founded on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Of course not. It is up to them to assimilate into our culture, not for us to assimilate into theirs.</i></p>
	<p>Be careful about this &#8220;our culture&#8221; business. &#8220;Our history&#8221; includes a longstanding and virulent anti-Catholic streak. And &#8220;our culture&#8221; has changed considerably over the past couple of centuries because of immigration. </p>
	<p>&#8220;Our nation&#8221; may not have been founded by Muslims, but it wasn&#8217;t founded by Christians, either, if you define &#8220;Christian&#8221; as someone who accepts the Doctrine of Trinity. </p>
	<p>This country has a long-standing tradition of allowing for communities of religious believers who separate themselves from mainstream culture. The Amish are a good example, but there have been many others, not all of which survive to the present day (like the Shakers). Others, like the Mormons, manage to work their way into the mainstream. And some, like Orthodox Jews in New York City, manage to maintain a separate culture even while living in the midst of mainstream culture. Not everyone &#8220;assimilates,&#8221; and that&#8217;s OK as long as they aren&#8217;t interfering with anyone else. </p>
	<p>THAT&#8217;S what this nation was founded on.
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		<title>by: marijam</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/23/this-is-rich/#comment-62049</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>* my Muslim friends never complained about the Catholic church bells ringing *

Of course not.  It is up to them to assimilate into our culture, not for us to assimilate into theirs.  If they want to ring bells five times a day, that's okay because its what I am accustomed to.  I just don't want to hear a voice, in a foreign language, coming across a loud speaker five times a day (however unlikely this would be for me personally).  This nation was founded on religious freedom - but it wasn't founded by Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>* my Muslim friends never complained about the Catholic church bells ringing *</p>
	<p>Of course not.  It is up to them to assimilate into our culture, not for us to assimilate into theirs.  If they want to ring bells five times a day, that&#8217;s okay because its what I am accustomed to.  I just don&#8217;t want to hear a voice, in a foreign language, coming across a loud speaker five times a day (however unlikely this would be for me personally).  This nation was founded on religious freedom - but it wasn&#8217;t founded by Muslims.
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		<title>by: J Marra</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/23/this-is-rich/#comment-60877</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 06:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Freedom&quot; is what I would call not a buzzword, but a &quot;gong word.&quot;

Every time they say &quot;freedom&quot; it acts like hitting one of those Chinese gongs that's so loud you can't hardly think. You're supposed to immediately chime agreement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Freedom&#8221; is what I would call not a buzzword, but a &#8220;gong word.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Every time they say &#8220;freedom&#8221; it acts like hitting one of those Chinese gongs that&#8217;s so loud you can&#8217;t hardly think. You&#8217;re supposed to immediately chime agreement.
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		<title>by: Canadian Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/23/this-is-rich/#comment-60804</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 02:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>These religious arguments leave me cold. I don't care for the religious mindset that demands that we believe impossible things as a token of our faith. I prefer to live in a civil society that tolerates religions, gives religious institutions and organizations their due,  but doesn't encourage them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>These religious arguments leave me cold. I don&#8217;t care for the religious mindset that demands that we believe impossible things as a token of our faith. I prefer to live in a civil society that tolerates religions, gives religious institutions and organizations their due,  but doesn&#8217;t encourage them.
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		<title>by: Bullsmith</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/23/this-is-rich/#comment-60719</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 20:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Pipes is really big on freedom of speech when it comes to Israel too. According to him, everyone has to be free to defend Israel, and anyone who critizes say, illegal settlement building is killing that freedom. As you so aptly say, for these guys, freedom of speech means their their right to be free from those who disagree with them.

They're facists. There's no more accurate description.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pipes is really big on freedom of speech when it comes to Israel too. According to him, everyone has to be free to defend Israel, and anyone who critizes say, illegal settlement building is killing that freedom. As you so aptly say, for these guys, freedom of speech means their their right to be free from those who disagree with them.</p>
	<p>They&#8217;re facists. There&#8217;s no more accurate description.
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		<title>by: erinyes</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/23/this-is-rich/#comment-60697</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 18:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>OOPS, almost forgot,
Ethiopia just went to war with Somalia.
No Shit......
Talk about absurd!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>OOPS, almost forgot,<br />
Ethiopia just went to war with Somalia.<br />
No Shit&#8230;&#8230;<br />
Talk about absurd!
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		<title>by: erinyes</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/23/this-is-rich/#comment-60695</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 18:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nylund, you are obviously deluded because you subscribe to science and logic, not magical thinking.If you only knew about the huge armada of magic carpets currently on the looms throughout the Muslim world, you would change your mind.You know , Jesus turned off the protective force field around the U.S. of A. on 9/11 cause of all them fags and secular Godless types. Blame them (and the Jews who we know started ALL wars, except MAYBE the French and Indian one.)!
And as for those shifty Eskimos, they're plotting to have sex with our daughters and take over Sea World in Orlando as I type this.Before you can say licketty split, we'll all have grand kids with names like Nanook.Yep, read it on the internets just this morning. Shamu's days are numbered!Whale Burgers for everyone!!
Merry Christmas.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nylund, you are obviously deluded because you subscribe to science and logic, not magical thinking.If you only knew about the huge armada of magic carpets currently on the looms throughout the Muslim world, you would change your mind.You know , Jesus turned off the protective force field around the U.S. of A. on 9/11 cause of all them fags and secular Godless types. Blame them (and the Jews who we know started ALL wars, except MAYBE the French and Indian one.)!<br />
And as for those shifty Eskimos, they&#8217;re plotting to have sex with our daughters and take over Sea World in Orlando as I type this.Before you can say licketty split, we&#8217;ll all have grand kids with names like Nanook.Yep, read it on the internets just this morning. Shamu&#8217;s days are numbered!Whale Burgers for everyone!!<br />
Merry Christmas&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;
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		<title>by: Nylund</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/23/this-is-rich/#comment-60680</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 17:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If I have the wingnuts' position correct, we are on the verge of having our country instantaneously changing to muslim, with islamic laws and prayers suddenly ruling us all.  As expressed above, &quot;I for one do not want to wake up to the call of muzzein.&quot;

Picking a high number, say  5 million muslims in the US, that means we are 98.4% non-muslim.  I would say that the &quot;fear&quot; of waking up &quot;to the call of a muzzein,&quot; implies that EVERYONE would be forced to wake up to that sound (as opposed to maybe a random small enclave here and there like you find with the Hasidics in New York, or the various Chinatowns across the country).  So, I assume that for this &quot;call of the muzzein&quot; to become that ubiquitous in the US, the country would have to be AT LEAST 50% muslim.

That would mean that if NO ONE other than muslims imigrated, we would still need around 296,000,000 muslims to immigrate (and no one else), and for the rest of the  US population to stay stagnant (ie no one has any kids).  First of all, this is unreasonable, on so many levels, and even if it was not, it would take at least a century or two for this happen, and it would require one in four of all muslims throughout the world moving to the US, while no one else does.

Or do they think the evil muslims will do a mass land invasion and try to conquer and occupy a country of 300 million?

We, the largest military in the world, can't even occupy a country of 30 million, yet 300 million people are to be subjugated so easily?

And, if we fear this muslim invasion (be it through migration or warfare), then why are these same GOP'ers trying to ban all the Catholic latinos from entering the country as well?  If they really think 300,000,000 muslims are about to march across our borders, wouldn't it be wise to counteract that with a whole bunch of Catholics if they fear the Muslim so much?

PLEASE I am begging for some rightwinger to explain the logisitics behind this idea that this country of 300,000,000 that is 98.4% non-muslim is &quot;going to wake up&quot; and suddenly find itself ruled by Islamic Sharia Law.

It is like saying that Russia and Pakistan combined will &quot;wake up&quot; one morning to find itself ruled by eskimos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If I have the wingnuts&#8217; position correct, we are on the verge of having our country instantaneously changing to muslim, with islamic laws and prayers suddenly ruling us all.  As expressed above, &#8220;I for one do not want to wake up to the call of muzzein.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Picking a high number, say  5 million muslims in the US, that means we are 98.4% non-muslim.  I would say that the &#8220;fear&#8221; of waking up &#8220;to the call of a muzzein,&#8221; implies that EVERYONE would be forced to wake up to that sound (as opposed to maybe a random small enclave here and there like you find with the Hasidics in New York, or the various Chinatowns across the country).  So, I assume that for this &#8220;call of the muzzein&#8221; to become that ubiquitous in the US, the country would have to be AT LEAST 50% muslim.</p>
	<p>That would mean that if NO ONE other than muslims imigrated, we would still need around 296,000,000 muslims to immigrate (and no one else), and for the rest of the  US population to stay stagnant (ie no one has any kids).  First of all, this is unreasonable, on so many levels, and even if it was not, it would take at least a century or two for this happen, and it would require one in four of all muslims throughout the world moving to the US, while no one else does.</p>
	<p>Or do they think the evil muslims will do a mass land invasion and try to conquer and occupy a country of 300 million?</p>
	<p>We, the largest military in the world, can&#8217;t even occupy a country of 30 million, yet 300 million people are to be subjugated so easily?</p>
	<p>And, if we fear this muslim invasion (be it through migration or warfare), then why are these same GOP&#8217;ers trying to ban all the Catholic latinos from entering the country as well?  If they really think 300,000,000 muslims are about to march across our borders, wouldn&#8217;t it be wise to counteract that with a whole bunch of Catholics if they fear the Muslim so much?</p>
	<p>PLEASE I am begging for some rightwinger to explain the logisitics behind this idea that this country of 300,000,000 that is 98.4% non-muslim is &#8220;going to wake up&#8221; and suddenly find itself ruled by Islamic Sharia Law.</p>
	<p>It is like saying that Russia and Pakistan combined will &#8220;wake up&#8221; one morning to find itself ruled by eskimos.
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		<title>by: Sky-Ho</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/23/this-is-rich/#comment-60678</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 17:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>* I for one do not want to wake up to the call of muzzein...*

Indeed, my Muslim friends never complained about the Catholic church bells ringing, calling out for worship several times almost every day of the week.  In fact, one remarked that he rejoiced that people were called to worship [the same God] in so many different ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>* I for one do not want to wake up to the call of muzzein&#8230;*</p>
	<p>Indeed, my Muslim friends never complained about the Catholic church bells ringing, calling out for worship several times almost every day of the week.  In fact, one remarked that he rejoiced that people were called to worship [the same God] in so many different ways.
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		<title>by: Dan K.</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2006/12/23/this-is-rich/#comment-60675</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 17:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is the same Daniel Pipes who said that all 1,300,000,000 Muslims should be regarded as terrorism suspects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is the same Daniel Pipes who said that all 1,300,000,000 Muslims should be regarded as terrorism suspects.
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