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		<title>By: The Mahablog &#187; Where Is Everyone?</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/16/augment-the-objections/comment-page-1/#comment-75129</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mahablog &#187; Where Is Everyone?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Vietnam-era antiwar protesters, on the other hand, more often than not shot themselves in the foot by coming across as bigger assholes than Richard Nixon and other Powers That Were. Steve Gilliard has a good post up today reaffirming my opinion that the Vietnam antiwar movement did little or nothing to actually stop the war. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Vietnam-era antiwar protesters, on the other hand, more often than not shot themselves in the foot by coming across as bigger assholes than Richard Nixon and other Powers That Were. Steve Gilliard has a good post up today reaffirming my opinion that the Vietnam antiwar movement did little or nothing to actually stop the war. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Flanagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Flanagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you would be interested in this video about Bernie Meyer who has traveled the world portraying Gandhi:

http://pugettown.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you would be interested in this video about Bernie Meyer who has traveled the world portraying Gandhi:</p>
<p><a href="http://pugettown.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/" rel="nofollow">http://pugettown.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Mahablog &#187; Be Worried</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mahablog &#187; Be Worried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Earlier this week we spent some time discussing the antiwar movement. Many people here and elsewhere express frustration that so much of the American public seems apathetic about the war. Although a solid majority (65 percent, according to the latest Bloomberg poll) of Americans are opposed to the war, the only way you&#8217;d know that is by reading polls. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Earlier this week we spent some time discussing the antiwar movement. Many people here and elsewhere express frustration that so much of the American public seems apathetic about the war. Although a solid majority (65 percent, according to the latest Bloomberg poll) of Americans are opposed to the war, the only way you&#8217;d know that is by reading polls. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: B. Enlightened</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Enlightened</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maha #23.  Sorry I got OT, I think it was the &quot;rather go bowling&quot; that set me off.  Your last paragraph says it all succinctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maha #23.  Sorry I got OT, I think it was the &#8220;rather go bowling&#8221; that set me off.  Your last paragraph says it all succinctly.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Jeany&#039;s statement about &#039;thank God and all the angels in heaven for the blogs&#039;.   The internet did not exist during the Vietnam War, so the cyber way of protest and creating joint action was simply not available.   But, this is not an either/or situation of blogging vs street protests, so I agree with B. Enlightened that either or both are tools with which to do a citizen&#039;s work.  And there is so much work to be done or rather so much to undo of damage inflicted by BushCo. 

As I watch what is done internationally by American so-called leaders  [dissing allies, ignoring international organizations and treaties, pre-emptively invading, throwing human and legal rights to the devil, using suffering and conflict as a cover for no-bid obscene profiteering, doing psych-ops propaganda and generating fear, installing puppets, et al], then I just translate that behavior as not only possible but highly probable on the domestic scene.    

 I would surmise that this administration also domestically engages in dissing, ignoring, pre-empting [Diebold?], spying on, profiting from [Katrina?], creating fear, co-opting and making puppets of &#039;opposition&#039; leaders [Lieberman?] and whatever else can be done [replacing U.S. Attorneys with pals] to use the reins of power for nefarious anti-democracy plots.  

Whatever tools will do the job...... American citizens need to stay at the work of restoration for as long as it takes to restore our country.   Six years ago, this misadventure started with the Supreme Court short-changing our democratic process by stopping the vote count in Florida.   What has flowed from that wrong has been a mountain heap of compounding wrongs.   

Akadad has the idea, civic lessons in schools.  Perhaps those lessons should include reviewing what has occurred with unAmerican leadership in the past six years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Jeany&#8217;s statement about &#8216;thank God and all the angels in heaven for the blogs&#8217;.   The internet did not exist during the Vietnam War, so the cyber way of protest and creating joint action was simply not available.   But, this is not an either/or situation of blogging vs street protests, so I agree with B. Enlightened that either or both are tools with which to do a citizen&#8217;s work.  And there is so much work to be done or rather so much to undo of damage inflicted by BushCo. </p>
<p>As I watch what is done internationally by American so-called leaders  [dissing allies, ignoring international organizations and treaties, pre-emptively invading, throwing human and legal rights to the devil, using suffering and conflict as a cover for no-bid obscene profiteering, doing psych-ops propaganda and generating fear, installing puppets, et al], then I just translate that behavior as not only possible but highly probable on the domestic scene.    </p>
<p> I would surmise that this administration also domestically engages in dissing, ignoring, pre-empting [Diebold?], spying on, profiting from [Katrina?], creating fear, co-opting and making puppets of &#8216;opposition&#8217; leaders [Lieberman?] and whatever else can be done [replacing U.S. Attorneys with pals] to use the reins of power for nefarious anti-democracy plots.  </p>
<p>Whatever tools will do the job&#8230;&#8230; American citizens need to stay at the work of restoration for as long as it takes to restore our country.   Six years ago, this misadventure started with the Supreme Court short-changing our democratic process by stopping the vote count in Florida.   What has flowed from that wrong has been a mountain heap of compounding wrongs.   </p>
<p>Akadad has the idea, civic lessons in schools.  Perhaps those lessons should include reviewing what has occurred with unAmerican leadership in the past six years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, brilliant for quoting Tom Hayden. Earlier, and in regards to the Scooter Libby trial, I mentioned to a cyberpal that the last time I was so avid about a trial, it was the Chicago 7 in the ring with Julius Hoffman. :D

Secondly, I would give my front seat in hell for the media we had in 1972. Thank God and all the angels in heaven for the blogs, because I would otherwise spend my days screaming inside my head like I screamed at my dad at the dinner table in 1969. We need to fix the media.

Yes there is an anti-war movement. I didn&#039;t do protests in the 60s and 70s. I was getting my education and screaming at my dad. I did, however, do January 19, 2003 and September 2005, and for the latter, I drove from Florida and also did the lobbying circuit. I&#039;ve become a frequent phoner to my elected reps. There is a left-wing echo chamber, and I&#039;m a committed part of it.

Of course, the military-congressional-industrial complex is bigger than ever, and we would have to be cancer to stay even with them. That&#039;s why I have prioritized goals. As much as I want to end the war(s), I want to be prepared for the next time something oozes up from the pit, to seek out and support those things that will make our democracy better, that will put corporate power in its proper place. There are a lot more of us than them.

Fair/Clean elections.
Instant runoff voting.

Great candidates and inspiring leaders are wonderful, but it&#039;s our Constitution that&#039;s been there for us. It&#039;s the heart and soul of our democracy, and we need to be looking for ways to strengthen and reinforce it. We own the government. We direct the government. We told Bush what we want and he&#039;s pissing all over us.

If he bombs Iran, I will demand NOT JUST his impeachment, but that he be tried for war crimes and executed with all the mercy he showed Karla Faye Tucker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, brilliant for quoting Tom Hayden. Earlier, and in regards to the Scooter Libby trial, I mentioned to a cyberpal that the last time I was so avid about a trial, it was the Chicago 7 in the ring with Julius Hoffman. <img src='http://www.mahablog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Secondly, I would give my front seat in hell for the media we had in 1972. Thank God and all the angels in heaven for the blogs, because I would otherwise spend my days screaming inside my head like I screamed at my dad at the dinner table in 1969. We need to fix the media.</p>
<p>Yes there is an anti-war movement. I didn&#8217;t do protests in the 60s and 70s. I was getting my education and screaming at my dad. I did, however, do January 19, 2003 and September 2005, and for the latter, I drove from Florida and also did the lobbying circuit. I&#8217;ve become a frequent phoner to my elected reps. There is a left-wing echo chamber, and I&#8217;m a committed part of it.</p>
<p>Of course, the military-congressional-industrial complex is bigger than ever, and we would have to be cancer to stay even with them. That&#8217;s why I have prioritized goals. As much as I want to end the war(s), I want to be prepared for the next time something oozes up from the pit, to seek out and support those things that will make our democracy better, that will put corporate power in its proper place. There are a lot more of us than them.</p>
<p>Fair/Clean elections.<br />
Instant runoff voting.</p>
<p>Great candidates and inspiring leaders are wonderful, but it&#8217;s our Constitution that&#8217;s been there for us. It&#8217;s the heart and soul of our democracy, and we need to be looking for ways to strengthen and reinforce it. We own the government. We direct the government. We told Bush what we want and he&#8217;s pissing all over us.</p>
<p>If he bombs Iran, I will demand NOT JUST his impeachment, but that he be tried for war crimes and executed with all the mercy he showed Karla Faye Tucker.</p>
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		<title>By: AkaDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>AkaDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe we need to incorporate civics lessons throughout school curriculums. We need to teach children early on that voting is a duty and a responsiblity, and why it&#039;s so important. Just as important, is critical thinking integrated into all courses. 

What does this have to do with protesting? I believe if we had critical thinking and civics embedded into our education, instead of what we have now, we wouldn&#039;t be in the mess we are in today, and wouldn&#039;t need to be protesting.

Would a nation of critical thinkers even consider electing an incompetant like Bush? Propaganda doesn&#039;t work on people who take the time to think about what others are actually saying.

On the other hand, would Bush still be incompetant if we had critical thinking in schools? Either way, I believe we would be better off as a nation if it were implemented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe we need to incorporate civics lessons throughout school curriculums. We need to teach children early on that voting is a duty and a responsiblity, and why it&#8217;s so important. Just as important, is critical thinking integrated into all courses. </p>
<p>What does this have to do with protesting? I believe if we had critical thinking and civics embedded into our education, instead of what we have now, we wouldn&#8217;t be in the mess we are in today, and wouldn&#8217;t need to be protesting.</p>
<p>Would a nation of critical thinkers even consider electing an incompetant like Bush? Propaganda doesn&#8217;t work on people who take the time to think about what others are actually saying.</p>
<p>On the other hand, would Bush still be incompetant if we had critical thinking in schools? Either way, I believe we would be better off as a nation if it were implemented.</p>
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		<title>By: charley</title>
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		<dc:creator>charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world ...&lt;/i&gt;

great post. still, i&#039;m mad enough to throw bricks, but i don&#039;t . i reckon i&#039;ve resolved all my adolescent issues.

i think intelligently written blogs,(some not so intelligent) and the freedom of expression available on the internet has been a great help. 

but the damage has been done . and 2 more years . bush cheney really don&#039;t care what anyone thinks.

oh, and &quot;we&quot; should have a draft . that&#039;d wake america up real quick . and it&#039;s immoral to keep sending the same kids over there, and over there, and over there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You say you want a revolution<br />
Well, you know<br />
We all want to change the world &#8230;</i></p>
<p>great post. still, i&#8217;m mad enough to throw bricks, but i don&#8217;t . i reckon i&#8217;ve resolved all my adolescent issues.</p>
<p>i think intelligently written blogs,(some not so intelligent) and the freedom of expression available on the internet has been a great help. </p>
<p>but the damage has been done . and 2 more years . bush cheney really don&#8217;t care what anyone thinks.</p>
<p>oh, and &#8220;we&#8221; should have a draft . that&#8217;d wake america up real quick . and it&#8217;s immoral to keep sending the same kids over there, and over there, and over there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
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		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B. Enlightened -- thanks for standing up, but in the future please actually read (and attempt to understand) the post you are commenting on. (See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mahablog.com/commenting-rules/&quot;&gt;Commenting Rules&lt;/a&gt;, #8.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B. Enlightened &#8212; thanks for standing up, but in the future please actually read (and attempt to understand) the post you are commenting on. (See <a href="http://www.mahablog.com/commenting-rules/">Commenting Rules</a>, #8.)</p>
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		<title>By: B. Enlightened</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Enlightened</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 03:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those of you of disdane and think protests are folly and a waste of time, I grant you your POV.  I always say &#039;Different strokes for different folks.&#039;  Those of us who opine &quot;all politics are local&quot; see it differently. 

I belong to DAWN (DuPage Against War Now) that was formed shortly after the Decider started making rumblings of WMDs.  Not only have we had public protests, we write letters to the editors, we have drives for the soldiers, we talk to our neighbors, we support candidates who are anti-war.  We &#039;walk the talk.&#039;  

And the more we are vocal, the more we are heard. It is so important that this dangerous farce be kept in the forefront which only a physical presence can be measured.  How cannot it not be important for many like-minded people to be together and realize they are not alone and to those who are ill-informed about the war see a solidarity and possibly change their POV?  

Stand up and be counted is what I say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those of you of disdane and think protests are folly and a waste of time, I grant you your POV.  I always say &#8216;Different strokes for different folks.&#8217;  Those of us who opine &#8220;all politics are local&#8221; see it differently. </p>
<p>I belong to DAWN (DuPage Against War Now) that was formed shortly after the Decider started making rumblings of WMDs.  Not only have we had public protests, we write letters to the editors, we have drives for the soldiers, we talk to our neighbors, we support candidates who are anti-war.  We &#8216;walk the talk.&#8217;  </p>
<p>And the more we are vocal, the more we are heard. It is so important that this dangerous farce be kept in the forefront which only a physical presence can be measured.  How cannot it not be important for many like-minded people to be together and realize they are not alone and to those who are ill-informed about the war see a solidarity and possibly change their POV?  </p>
<p>Stand up and be counted is what I say.</p>
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