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	<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/25/elmer-fudd-nation/</link>
	<description>Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration.</description>
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		<title>by: The Mahablog &#187; Blown Away</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/25/elmer-fudd-nation/#comment-77323</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 04:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] So if we leave, it gets worse; if we stay, it gets worse. This seems to me to be an argument for leaving, although there&amp;#8217;s no reason we can&amp;#8217;t take, say, diplomatic measures to mitigate the damage. But be prepared &amp;#8212; when we leave Iraq we will live a mess behind us, and for the rest of our lives we&amp;#8217;ll have to listen to the righties whine that we could have fixed it all had we stayed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] So if we leave, it gets worse; if we stay, it gets worse. This seems to me to be an argument for leaving, although there&#8217;s no reason we can&#8217;t take, say, diplomatic measures to mitigate the damage. But be prepared &#8212; when we leave Iraq we will live a mess behind us, and for the rest of our lives we&#8217;ll have to listen to the righties whine that we could have fixed it all had we stayed. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Tehanu</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/25/elmer-fudd-nation/#comment-74972</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;But if the U.S. started to show some genuine respect for the sovereign nations and people of the Middle East it would do both us and them a world of good.&lt;/i&gt;

The Repulsicans don't even have respect for us, the American people, so why would they suddenly decide to respect all them furriners? Of course, you're right, but it ain't gonna happen as long as Chimpy&amp;#38;Co. are in charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>But if the U.S. started to show some genuine respect for the sovereign nations and people of the Middle East it would do both us and them a world of good.</i></p>
	<p>The Repulsicans don&#8217;t even have respect for us, the American people, so why would they suddenly decide to respect all them furriners? Of course, you&#8217;re right, but it ain&#8217;t gonna happen as long as Chimpy&amp;Co. are in charge.
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		<title>by: felicity smith</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/25/elmer-fudd-nation/#comment-74674</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Maha, I forgot to tell you that you are one of the best writers in this medium.  Ivins and Huffington (sometimes) are up there too.  Keep it up.  We appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maha, I forgot to tell you that you are one of the best writers in this medium.  Ivins and Huffington (sometimes) are up there too.  Keep it up.  We appreciate it.
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		<title>by: felicity smith</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/25/elmer-fudd-nation/#comment-74672</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's widely agreed by people who are into truth-telling that to &quot;control&quot; civil unrest, no fewer than 20 military/police personnel per 1,000 natives are needed.  That's what it took in Northern Ireland and Bosnia.  (Of course it's always possible to go the Ghengis Khan route and just slaughter the recalitrant natives.)  

There are roughly 3/1,000 in Iraq. With the coming &quot;surge&quot; it'll probably be three and one half per one thousand - in Baghdad anyway.  Until Iraqis can feel halfway safe, nothing of any consequence can occur in that beleaguered country.  The professional classes who have fled by the droves will return.  The practically non-existent infrastructure can begin to function again.  

But of course adding hundreds of thousands of troops is impossible - unless we reinstate the draft - and that won't happen.  Is there any other recourse other than pulling out, hopefully in a well-planned retreat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s widely agreed by people who are into truth-telling that to &#8220;control&#8221; civil unrest, no fewer than 20 military/police personnel per 1,000 natives are needed.  That&#8217;s what it took in Northern Ireland and Bosnia.  (Of course it&#8217;s always possible to go the Ghengis Khan route and just slaughter the recalitrant natives.)  </p>
	<p>There are roughly 3/1,000 in Iraq. With the coming &#8220;surge&#8221; it&#8217;ll probably be three and one half per one thousand - in Baghdad anyway.  Until Iraqis can feel halfway safe, nothing of any consequence can occur in that beleaguered country.  The professional classes who have fled by the droves will return.  The practically non-existent infrastructure can begin to function again.  </p>
	<p>But of course adding hundreds of thousands of troops is impossible - unless we reinstate the draft - and that won&#8217;t happen.  Is there any other recourse other than pulling out, hopefully in a well-planned retreat?
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		<title>by: sachem515</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/25/elmer-fudd-nation/#comment-74560</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh please let the light shine in and have it be true:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/01/25/a-rumor-is-a-rumor-is-a-rumor/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh please let the light shine in and have it be true:</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/01/25/a-rumor-is-a-rumor-is-a-rumor/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/01/25/a-rumor-is-a-rumor-is-a-rumor/</a>
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		<title>by: Steve from Canuckistan</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/25/elmer-fudd-nation/#comment-74550</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 02:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Another great post about the sorry state of today's world Maha. I was flipping through channels the other day and caught Juan Cole being interviewed on the local ABC affiliate in Detroit. He’s a history professor at the U of M in nearby Ann Arbor. He was very emphatic that Iraq is lost and only several hundred thousand troops can turn it around. He stated further that the only viable solution is a negotiated political settlement involving the Shiites, Sunnis and Iraq’s neighbors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Another great post about the sorry state of today&#8217;s world Maha. I was flipping through channels the other day and caught Juan Cole being interviewed on the local ABC affiliate in Detroit. He’s a history professor at the U of M in nearby Ann Arbor. He was very emphatic that Iraq is lost and only several hundred thousand troops can turn it around. He stated further that the only viable solution is a negotiated political settlement involving the Shiites, Sunnis and Iraq’s neighbors.
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		<title>by: Swami</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/25/elmer-fudd-nation/#comment-74544</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 01:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt; But if the U.S. started to show some genuine respect for the sovereign nations and people of the Middle East it would do both us and them a world of good. &lt;/i&gt;
 
That's the path America needs to find her way out of Iraq and to find her way home. Unfortunately, we won't take it because we'd have to give up our pride. We're Amurikans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i> But if the U.S. started to show some genuine respect for the sovereign nations and people of the Middle East it would do both us and them a world of good. </i></p>
	<p>That&#8217;s the path America needs to find her way out of Iraq and to find her way home. Unfortunately, we won&#8217;t take it because we&#8217;d have to give up our pride. We&#8217;re Amurikans!
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		<title>by: jimi</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/25/elmer-fudd-nation/#comment-74539</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 01:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>There is no Soviet Union anymore, but everybody remember those great victories and defeats. We trusted in idea and we made our history through great losses...
www.backinussr.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There is no Soviet Union anymore, but everybody remember those great victories and defeats. We trusted in idea and we made our history through great losses&#8230;<br />
<a href='http://www.backinussr.com' rel='nofollow'>www.backinussr.com</a>
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		<title>by: Doug Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/25/elmer-fudd-nation/#comment-74531</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The ISG recommended and the Democrats generally agree that regionally-based diplomacy is needed. IMO, this has been rejected by the Bush administration because ALL the regional powers want us out - at least to the degree that we can't dominate with the threat of military force from large permanent bases that are central to the Bush strategy of empire-building in the region.

Bush honestly believes that he can wage the war on 'terror' on a militay basis, and can fight that war in the middle east. We have been in Iraq going on 4 years and are increasing the troop level. Everyone outside the US thinks we intend to permanently occupy Iraq. Most Americans don't believe in empire-building and therefore don't believe our govermnent is engaged in it, despite all  evidence to the contrary.

The Democrats have missed an argument that is not beyond the grasp of the average voter. Iraq is not surropunded by Iran and Syria, as Republicans would have you believe. Those dangerous Shiite regimes are to the North. Follow the country's borders; Kuwait, who was invaded once and would prefer a stable non-aggressive Iraq, Saudi Arabia, who is Suni and could make things nasty for Iraq if they try to annex Iraq, Jordan, who is taking a huge part of the refugee problem and therefore has a huge interest in a fair settlement of  the sectarian conflict so Iraqis will go home, and Turkey who will want to protect the interests of the Kurdish minority. 

Keep in mind: the regional powers are not going to clean up the mess of the sectarian violence so neocons can establish regional control. We have to guarantee we will leave if we want them to engage. If they knew that the mess will fall on them; as will the full benefits of a stable Iraq, they have incentive to stabilize Iraq.

Thirteen colonies had a lot of cultural, economic and religous differences, but they found the way to make the comprimises to form a central governement that gave the new republic of states a chance to survive that they would not have as 13 weak countries. 

The  6 countries surrounding Iraq are not trying to form a central government, but like the thirteen colonies they have incentive to work together because NOT stabilizing Iraq is potentially disasterous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The ISG recommended and the Democrats generally agree that regionally-based diplomacy is needed. IMO, this has been rejected by the Bush administration because ALL the regional powers want us out - at least to the degree that we can&#8217;t dominate with the threat of military force from large permanent bases that are central to the Bush strategy of empire-building in the region.</p>
	<p>Bush honestly believes that he can wage the war on &#8216;terror&#8217; on a militay basis, and can fight that war in the middle east. We have been in Iraq going on 4 years and are increasing the troop level. Everyone outside the US thinks we intend to permanently occupy Iraq. Most Americans don&#8217;t believe in empire-building and therefore don&#8217;t believe our govermnent is engaged in it, despite all  evidence to the contrary.</p>
	<p>The Democrats have missed an argument that is not beyond the grasp of the average voter. Iraq is not surropunded by Iran and Syria, as Republicans would have you believe. Those dangerous Shiite regimes are to the North. Follow the country&#8217;s borders; Kuwait, who was invaded once and would prefer a stable non-aggressive Iraq, Saudi Arabia, who is Suni and could make things nasty for Iraq if they try to annex Iraq, Jordan, who is taking a huge part of the refugee problem and therefore has a huge interest in a fair settlement of  the sectarian conflict so Iraqis will go home, and Turkey who will want to protect the interests of the Kurdish minority. </p>
	<p>Keep in mind: the regional powers are not going to clean up the mess of the sectarian violence so neocons can establish regional control. We have to guarantee we will leave if we want them to engage. If they knew that the mess will fall on them; as will the full benefits of a stable Iraq, they have incentive to stabilize Iraq.</p>
	<p>Thirteen colonies had a lot of cultural, economic and religous differences, but they found the way to make the comprimises to form a central governement that gave the new republic of states a chance to survive that they would not have as 13 weak countries. </p>
	<p>The  6 countries surrounding Iraq are not trying to form a central government, but like the thirteen colonies they have incentive to work together because NOT stabilizing Iraq is potentially disasterous.
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		<title>by: moonbat</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/25/elmer-fudd-nation/#comment-74509</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>comment 2, &lt;i&gt;The world is way too “yang” and out of balance so we can expect a conversion to the yin state if we do not do something to correct the imbalance. &lt;/i&gt;

Whether you love her or hate her, a President Hillary Clinton would go aways toward redressing this balance, by busting the glass ceiling on the top office in the land. I know you meant your words in a more metaphysical way, but it's past time we retired the macho adolescents who represent yang's last gasp. HRC isn't everything I would like - there is much to dislike - but she at least would pave the way for women to lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>comment 2, <i>The world is way too “yang” and out of balance so we can expect a conversion to the yin state if we do not do something to correct the imbalance. </i></p>
	<p>Whether you love her or hate her, a President Hillary Clinton would go aways toward redressing this balance, by busting the glass ceiling on the top office in the land. I know you meant your words in a more metaphysical way, but it&#8217;s past time we retired the macho adolescents who represent yang&#8217;s last gasp. HRC isn&#8217;t everything I would like - there is much to dislike - but she at least would pave the way for women to lead.
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