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	<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/30/wu-wei/</link>
	<description>Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration.</description>
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		<title>by: donna</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/30/wu-wei/#comment-76213</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 07:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>There is nothing mystical about the Tao. It is simply the way things are. 

And there are no invisible sky gods in it, either.</description>
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	<p>And there are no invisible sky gods in it, either.
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		<title>by: fshk</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/30/wu-wei/#comment-76080</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>moonbat's point is well-taken; I'm not sure you can necessarily correllate the war in Iraq per se with overreaction to 9/11. There's a tenable link, sure, but it comes more from the way the war was sold to the American public than any actual connection. Evidence indicates that the neocons wanted to invade Iraq long before 9/11, right? The more self-destructive aspects of our reaction to 9/11 have to do more with things happening domestically (warantless wiretapping, for instance). 

Of course we should do something. In addition to diplomacy abroad, that something should involve properly funding effective anti-terror initiatives (and doing things like getting a first-responder communication system that actually works up and running in New York and not giving Homeland Security money to petting zoos).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>moonbat&#8217;s point is well-taken; I&#8217;m not sure you can necessarily correllate the war in Iraq per se with overreaction to 9/11. There&#8217;s a tenable link, sure, but it comes more from the way the war was sold to the American public than any actual connection. Evidence indicates that the neocons wanted to invade Iraq long before 9/11, right? The more self-destructive aspects of our reaction to 9/11 have to do more with things happening domestically (warantless wiretapping, for instance). </p>
	<p>Of course we should do something. In addition to diplomacy abroad, that something should involve properly funding effective anti-terror initiatives (and doing things like getting a first-responder communication system that actually works up and running in New York and not giving Homeland Security money to petting zoos).
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		<title>by: Swami</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/30/wu-wei/#comment-75784</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>That Wu Wei sounds a little like the strategy that some Democrats are advocating..Don't do anything to bring Bush to heel,just let him proceed on his way of doing things,and he'll do more damage to himself than any Democrats could possibly do.

 I don't think Bush is the best example to illustrate the working principles of Wu Wei because Bush's insecurities are so pronounced and his actions are so predictable that he doesn't rise up to a level sufficient enough to present a challenge to the theory or the art. A halfway decent working knowledge of adolescence behavior is all one needs to steer Bush in the direction you want him to go. Look at what the neocons managed to get little Georgie to do..  A little stroking of his ego, and affirming of his greatness was all the Neocons needed to get little Georgie charging head first into Iraq.

  &lt;i&gt;C U N D gulag&lt;/i&gt; posted a comment a day or two ago about Bush supporters fashioning him as the American Churchill, it's laughable to us who are grounded in reality, but to Bush that kind of fluff is hypnotically controlling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That Wu Wei sounds a little like the strategy that some Democrats are advocating..Don&#8217;t do anything to bring Bush to heel,just let him proceed on his way of doing things,and he&#8217;ll do more damage to himself than any Democrats could possibly do.</p>
	<p> I don&#8217;t think Bush is the best example to illustrate the working principles of Wu Wei because Bush&#8217;s insecurities are so pronounced and his actions are so predictable that he doesn&#8217;t rise up to a level sufficient enough to present a challenge to the theory or the art. A halfway decent working knowledge of adolescence behavior is all one needs to steer Bush in the direction you want him to go. Look at what the neocons managed to get little Georgie to do..  A little stroking of his ego, and affirming of his greatness was all the Neocons needed to get little Georgie charging head first into Iraq.</p>
	<p>  <i>C U N D gulag</i> posted a comment a day or two ago about Bush supporters fashioning him as the American Churchill, it&#8217;s laughable to us who are grounded in reality, but to Bush that kind of fluff is hypnotically controlling.
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		<title>by: Steve from Canuckistan</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/30/wu-wei/#comment-75781</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Maha, great post. Moonbat great comment.  Big oil and Israel's role has been obvious for some time now in this debacle but the military industrial complex also disserves a passing mention since they’ve profited so handsomely from the death and destruction.  I think I heard Richard Lugar the other day say that Congress needs to support the surge so that &quot;we can secure the oil assets&quot;…or something like that. WTF? I guess it wasn’t about WMD after all? The follow-up question to Lugar should have been …secure the oil for whom? …and Americans wonder why… so much of the ROTW wishes ill upon them? Bushco has sold the lie that citizens are sacrificing their sons and daughter's lives to &quot;protect our freedoms&quot; or whatever such drivel when in fact they are been sent into the grinder to make that part of the world safe for Exxon-Mobil. The significance of 911 is  that it has become an enabler for your government to hide its true intent…which I might add is clearly evil.  The Iraq government is currently been pressured to adopt a law drafted by Bushco that will give Big Oil the upper hand over Iraqi resources for years to come. In today's news the administration denies that they've muzzled scientists about Global Warming or that their political hacks on loan from Big Oil have been parachuted into government agencies such as NASA and apparently these guys get to approve what gets reported and what doesn't to you… the people. A few years ago NASA announced that since there was no such thing as Global Warming they were going to get out of the business of studying it.  The Dems need to shine lots more light and they should put impeachment of both Bush and Cheney back on the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maha, great post. Moonbat great comment.  Big oil and Israel&#8217;s role has been obvious for some time now in this debacle but the military industrial complex also disserves a passing mention since they’ve profited so handsomely from the death and destruction.  I think I heard Richard Lugar the other day say that Congress needs to support the surge so that &#8220;we can secure the oil assets&#8221;…or something like that. WTF? I guess it wasn’t about WMD after all? The follow-up question to Lugar should have been …secure the oil for whom? …and Americans wonder why… so much of the ROTW wishes ill upon them? Bushco has sold the lie that citizens are sacrificing their sons and daughter&#8217;s lives to &#8220;protect our freedoms&#8221; or whatever such drivel when in fact they are been sent into the grinder to make that part of the world safe for Exxon-Mobil. The significance of 911 is  that it has become an enabler for your government to hide its true intent…which I might add is clearly evil.  The Iraq government is currently been pressured to adopt a law drafted by Bushco that will give Big Oil the upper hand over Iraqi resources for years to come. In today&#8217;s news the administration denies that they&#8217;ve muzzled scientists about Global Warming or that their political hacks on loan from Big Oil have been parachuted into government agencies such as NASA and apparently these guys get to approve what gets reported and what doesn&#8217;t to you… the people. A few years ago NASA announced that since there was no such thing as Global Warming they were going to get out of the business of studying it.  The Dems need to shine lots more light and they should put impeachment of both Bush and Cheney back on the table.
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		<title>by: Jeff r</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/30/wu-wei/#comment-75770</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 02:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sorry, David Bell.</description>
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		<title>by: Jeff r</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/30/wu-wei/#comment-75769</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 02:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Has anyone noticed that the L.A. Times has changed the title of Daniel Bell's article?

Now it's &quot;Putting 9/11 into Perspective&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Has anyone noticed that the L.A. Times has changed the title of Daniel Bell&#8217;s article?</p>
	<p>Now it&#8217;s &#8220;Putting 9/11 into Perspective&#8221;
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		<title>by: marijam</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/30/wu-wei/#comment-75761</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Breaking news on CNN - &quot;some&quot; military personnel think that Iran was behind the incident on January 20th where enemy combatants got into our green zone and killed our soldiers.  Here we go...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Breaking news on CNN - &#8220;some&#8221; military personnel think that Iran was behind the incident on January 20th where enemy combatants got into our green zone and killed our soldiers.  Here we go&#8230;
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		<title>by: marijam</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/30/wu-wei/#comment-75760</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>moonbat, your comment reminds me of exactly why I think the time has come for Al Gore to run for President. He's been a man before his time up until now, but with his knowledge of energy and his insights into the Middle East from having been Vice President I really think his time has come.  I can't think of any other potential candidate or current candidate that would have the same insights that could win.  We have two years to go, this could and may very well change but at this point in time, this is how I see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>moonbat, your comment reminds me of exactly why I think the time has come for Al Gore to run for President. He&#8217;s been a man before his time up until now, but with his knowledge of energy and his insights into the Middle East from having been Vice President I really think his time has come.  I can&#8217;t think of any other potential candidate or current candidate that would have the same insights that could win.  We have two years to go, this could and may very well change but at this point in time, this is how I see it.
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		<title>by: marijam</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/30/wu-wei/#comment-75756</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes, exactly - this administration has been that of the neighborhood bully.  Who doesn't love seeing the bully finally getting his behind kicked?  When its the USA though that's the bully - not so good.  That we have been backed into such a corner is quite extraordinary.  The righties blame us for something in our character that is lacking, something that brings us to hate Bush more than we hate the enemy AND hate Bush so much we'd rather have the USA lose, which is what they say we are asking for when we ask to have the troops pulled out of Iraq.  Being bullies, they can't see things any other way.  &quot;Either you are on defense or you are on offense they say.&quot;  We want to see Cheney and Bush impeached so we can see them get knocked on their butts - but would they be?  Supporters who have gone quiet would surely rally to their besieged President and then where would we be?  Could we prevail without a quorum?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, exactly - this administration has been that of the neighborhood bully.  Who doesn&#8217;t love seeing the bully finally getting his behind kicked?  When its the USA though that&#8217;s the bully - not so good.  That we have been backed into such a corner is quite extraordinary.  The righties blame us for something in our character that is lacking, something that brings us to hate Bush more than we hate the enemy AND hate Bush so much we&#8217;d rather have the USA lose, which is what they say we are asking for when we ask to have the troops pulled out of Iraq.  Being bullies, they can&#8217;t see things any other way.  &#8220;Either you are on defense or you are on offense they say.&#8221;  We want to see Cheney and Bush impeached so we can see them get knocked on their butts - but would they be?  Supporters who have gone quiet would surely rally to their besieged President and then where would we be?  Could we prevail without a quorum?
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		<title>by: moonbat</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/01/30/wu-wei/#comment-75753</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Beautifully described.

What's missing though, is a discussion of our real motives for being in this fight.  I don't believe that BushCo's actions are really about the war on terror.  To me, this is window dressing, a useful cover, a very useful boogeyman to keep the masses from thinking.

Any discussion of why we're there has to include both oil and Israel.  There are zillions of dollars of high quality oil in this region, close to the surface, easy to extract.  I am certain somebody in the Republican hierarchy figured if they could conquer and pacify Iraq, the oil could be drawn out and sold for about $30 a barrel or less.  The resulting economic boom would produce enormous profits for the energy companies and solidify Republican rule forever.  This comes at a time when the planet is running out of oil, and the competition for the remaining supplies is intensifying. I suspect that future historians will refer to the current war as the beginning of the oil or resource wars.

As for Israel, that's a touchy subject, about which I know little.  I do know that the neocons have strong ties to the right wing in Israel, and it's been said by some that this faction &quot;owns&quot; our foreign policy (and please forgive me maha if this triggers a massive stream of angry comments - this subject is one of the third rails of blogging).

And so there are powerful forces drawing us into the Middle East for reasons much deeper than merely making the country safe from terrorism.  It infuriates me to no end, that five or six years after 9/11, and three or four years after our invasion of Iraq - based entirely on lies - that very few people are willing to touch these driving reasons why we are there.  Until we can have this honest discussion, we're only scratching the surface of the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Beautifully described.</p>
	<p>What&#8217;s missing though, is a discussion of our real motives for being in this fight.  I don&#8217;t believe that BushCo&#8217;s actions are really about the war on terror.  To me, this is window dressing, a useful cover, a very useful boogeyman to keep the masses from thinking.</p>
	<p>Any discussion of why we&#8217;re there has to include both oil and Israel.  There are zillions of dollars of high quality oil in this region, close to the surface, easy to extract.  I am certain somebody in the Republican hierarchy figured if they could conquer and pacify Iraq, the oil could be drawn out and sold for about $30 a barrel or less.  The resulting economic boom would produce enormous profits for the energy companies and solidify Republican rule forever.  This comes at a time when the planet is running out of oil, and the competition for the remaining supplies is intensifying. I suspect that future historians will refer to the current war as the beginning of the oil or resource wars.</p>
	<p>As for Israel, that&#8217;s a touchy subject, about which I know little.  I do know that the neocons have strong ties to the right wing in Israel, and it&#8217;s been said by some that this faction &#8220;owns&#8221; our foreign policy (and please forgive me maha if this triggers a massive stream of angry comments - this subject is one of the third rails of blogging).</p>
	<p>And so there are powerful forces drawing us into the Middle East for reasons much deeper than merely making the country safe from terrorism.  It infuriates me to no end, that five or six years after 9/11, and three or four years after our invasion of Iraq - based entirely on lies - that very few people are willing to touch these driving reasons why we are there.  Until we can have this honest discussion, we&#8217;re only scratching the surface of the problem.
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