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	<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/02/08/conservative-correctness/</link>
	<description>Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration.</description>
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		<title>by: The Mahablog &#187; Conformity Nation</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/02/08/conservative-correctness/#comment-308621</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] And so much for Conservative Correctness. Righties can take their flag lapel pins and white bobbie socks and whatever else the &amp;#8220;CC&amp;#8221; police want to enforce and shove &amp;#8216;em where the sun don&amp;#8217;t shine.    Spotlight [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] And so much for Conservative Correctness. Righties can take their flag lapel pins and white bobbie socks and whatever else the &#8220;CC&#8221; police want to enforce and shove &#8216;em where the sun don&#8217;t shine.    Spotlight [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: smchris</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/02/08/conservative-correctness/#comment-84824</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm sympathetic to the general theme of your essay but remember that Karl Popper wrote The Open Society and its Enemies over his concern about the tradition of Plato _and_ Marx.  

There are plenty of well intentioned groups that are not generally labeled among the Christofascist Neocons.  As an example, I would toss up Mothers Against Drunk Driving and their call for random road block sobriety tests that stomp on the principle of probable cause.  I'm sure that too is motivated by a traumatized excessive fear of the other. 

Whenever you hear, &quot;If only one child can be saved, it will be worth it!&quot; ask yourself what principle of social liberty is being sacrificed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m sympathetic to the general theme of your essay but remember that Karl Popper wrote The Open Society and its Enemies over his concern about the tradition of Plato _and_ Marx.  </p>
	<p>There are plenty of well intentioned groups that are not generally labeled among the Christofascist Neocons.  As an example, I would toss up Mothers Against Drunk Driving and their call for random road block sobriety tests that stomp on the principle of probable cause.  I&#8217;m sure that too is motivated by a traumatized excessive fear of the other. </p>
	<p>Whenever you hear, &#8220;If only one child can be saved, it will be worth it!&#8221; ask yourself what principle of social liberty is being sacrificed.
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		<title>by: Pat Pattillo</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/02/08/conservative-correctness/#comment-84755</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This brings to mind a recent article by David Brooks at NYTimes in which he coins the term Reasonable In Private (hereafter RIP). He observes politician wo engage in egregiously partisan antics in public who privately regret the &quot;neccesity&quot; to partake of such nonsense.

Link to article (required NYTimes access) : http://select.nytimes.com/2007/02/08/opinion/08brooks.html?partner=rssnyt&amp;#38;emc=rss

The article is both insightful and humorous.

I observed shortly into Bush's first term that his disinclination to introspect, cooperate, and weight other perspectives while excepting himself from certain laws while citing God as his justification .... well, it resonated with and emboldened the same sort of narcisistic grandeur and unrestrained superego that those with already precarious psychological balance often possess.

Our politicians who engage in these shamefully farcical public shenanigans bear some responsibility for sounding the trumpet call that summons up their unbalanced minions like the zombies from night of the living dead.

Is this the sort of highly touted personal accountability that we can expect from the right? If this is what we were promised by the right, it speaks for itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This brings to mind a recent article by David Brooks at NYTimes in which he coins the term Reasonable In Private (hereafter RIP). He observes politician wo engage in egregiously partisan antics in public who privately regret the &#8220;neccesity&#8221; to partake of such nonsense.</p>
	<p>Link to article (required NYTimes access) : <a href='http://select.nytimes.com/2007/02/08/opinion/08brooks.html?partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss' rel='nofollow'>http://select.nytimes.com/2007/02/08/opinion/08brooks.html?partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss</a></p>
	<p>The article is both insightful and humorous.</p>
	<p>I observed shortly into Bush&#8217;s first term that his disinclination to introspect, cooperate, and weight other perspectives while excepting himself from certain laws while citing God as his justification &#8230;. well, it resonated with and emboldened the same sort of narcisistic grandeur and unrestrained superego that those with already precarious psychological balance often possess.</p>
	<p>Our politicians who engage in these shamefully farcical public shenanigans bear some responsibility for sounding the trumpet call that summons up their unbalanced minions like the zombies from night of the living dead.</p>
	<p>Is this the sort of highly touted personal accountability that we can expect from the right? If this is what we were promised by the right, it speaks for itself.
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		<title>by: Ken Lovell</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/02/08/conservative-correctness/#comment-84368</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 01:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What we really need to do is to stop allowing ourselves to be distracted from constructive discussion by the rad-con diversionary tactics. How many promising blog threads about (e.g.) tackling climate change get blown out of the water when some loon comments that the science is all crap? Suddenly we're re-running an argument that's already been resolved 123923 times.

Disrupting discussion is a game but it's also a game with a purpose - it's the internet equivalent of sending in a few louts to turn an orderly demo into a violent riot. Rad-cons are terrified at the prospect of a new mainstream consensus developing that sidelines them to the extremist fringe where they belong, so let's recognise their tactics for what they are and cut off their oxygen by ignoring them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What we really need to do is to stop allowing ourselves to be distracted from constructive discussion by the rad-con diversionary tactics. How many promising blog threads about (e.g.) tackling climate change get blown out of the water when some loon comments that the science is all crap? Suddenly we&#8217;re re-running an argument that&#8217;s already been resolved 123923 times.</p>
	<p>Disrupting discussion is a game but it&#8217;s also a game with a purpose - it&#8217;s the internet equivalent of sending in a few louts to turn an orderly demo into a violent riot. Rad-cons are terrified at the prospect of a new mainstream consensus developing that sidelines them to the extremist fringe where they belong, so let&#8217;s recognise their tactics for what they are and cut off their oxygen by ignoring them.
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		<title>by: cmi</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/02/08/conservative-correctness/#comment-84311</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's not going to work. Labelling someone conservatively correct will not invoke the same imagery as P.C., and will probably smell pedestrian and petty. I love the thought; it's just not going to work. 

What we need to do is take the negative term, &quot;politically correct,&quot; and label your opponents with it.

Example:

--These days, being politically correct is pretending Bush is an honorable man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s not going to work. Labelling someone conservatively correct will not invoke the same imagery as P.C., and will probably smell pedestrian and petty. I love the thought; it&#8217;s just not going to work. </p>
	<p>What we need to do is take the negative term, &#8220;politically correct,&#8221; and label your opponents with it.</p>
	<p>Example:</p>
	<p>&#8211;These days, being politically correct is pretending Bush is an honorable man.
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		<title>by: sjk</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/02/08/conservative-correctness/#comment-84308</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I believe you are correct when you refer to winger rants as &lt;i&gt;mischief making&lt;/i&gt;; however, I believe there are implied secondary affects which cannot simply dismissed as lunacy. Viewed as a whole, the winger rants serve as both a racist and theological populism. Whereas they easily define the other as Muslins, Mexicans, Liberals, etc., it is more striking to analyze who they claim as allies and supporters. Within this analysis it can easily be seen that they are re-defining what it means to be an American, what it means to be a Christian. They use both terms in specific exclusionary ways -- see Tucker Carlson's recent rant on why Obama is not a Christian. In pursuing this strategy the goal is not to simply reduce any progressive argument to &quot;PC nonsense&quot;, but to permenantly relegate all who disagree to the status of inferior, dangerous, others -- enemies of the state, if you will. 

Given the preeminence of the rambling wingnuts within the mass media, we must conclude that thier position, regardless of its problems, is striving to become the popular ethos. Though it is typically gratifying and evan humorus to dismiss the most outrageous hyperbole of the wingers (ie. soy milk make you gay), is should aways be considered that each hyperbole simple allows for a lesser extreme view to become accepted. As an example, I ask you to consider the mainstream acceptance of torture, and the endless discussions of when it's appropriate; and little discussion of its inhumanity. Populism is generally a dark political road, and its desination is often lead to very dismal places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I believe you are correct when you refer to winger rants as <i>mischief making</i>; however, I believe there are implied secondary affects which cannot simply dismissed as lunacy. Viewed as a whole, the winger rants serve as both a racist and theological populism. Whereas they easily define the other as Muslins, Mexicans, Liberals, etc., it is more striking to analyze who they claim as allies and supporters. Within this analysis it can easily be seen that they are re-defining what it means to be an American, what it means to be a Christian. They use both terms in specific exclusionary ways &#8212; see Tucker Carlson&#8217;s recent rant on why Obama is not a Christian. In pursuing this strategy the goal is not to simply reduce any progressive argument to &#8220;PC nonsense&#8221;, but to permenantly relegate all who disagree to the status of inferior, dangerous, others &#8212; enemies of the state, if you will. </p>
	<p>Given the preeminence of the rambling wingnuts within the mass media, we must conclude that thier position, regardless of its problems, is striving to become the popular ethos. Though it is typically gratifying and evan humorus to dismiss the most outrageous hyperbole of the wingers (ie. soy milk make you gay), is should aways be considered that each hyperbole simple allows for a lesser extreme view to become accepted. As an example, I ask you to consider the mainstream acceptance of torture, and the endless discussions of when it&#8217;s appropriate; and little discussion of its inhumanity. Populism is generally a dark political road, and its desination is often lead to very dismal places.
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		<title>by: NeoII</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/02/08/conservative-correctness/#comment-84084</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 01:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The likes of Malkin and Coulter are not simply hypocrites and bullies. It is not just Mischief Making. It may be a game but that game has become highly rewarding.
They are making millions bomb throwing. Above all else they understand how to thrive in mass-market right wing media.

The caveman references are apt.
They feed the masses that undoubtedly are descended from cavemen that dined on vegetarian liberals of failed tribes. The meat they serve may be spoiled but their is no shortage of buyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The likes of Malkin and Coulter are not simply hypocrites and bullies. It is not just Mischief Making. It may be a game but that game has become highly rewarding.<br />
They are making millions bomb throwing. Above all else they understand how to thrive in mass-market right wing media.</p>
	<p>The caveman references are apt.<br />
They feed the masses that undoubtedly are descended from cavemen that dined on vegetarian liberals of failed tribes. The meat they serve may be spoiled but their is no shortage of buyers.
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		<title>by: ironranger</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/02/08/conservative-correctness/#comment-83972</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm amused by the caveman days vistigal instinct to fight off other different tribes thought. If this is a holdover still existing in rightwinger behavior that has not changed at the same rate over time as other groups of people, it's no wonder they can't accept evolution science. 
I have been curious about current radical righties who began as radical lefties 30 years ago. How &amp;#38; why do they morph from one extreme to another?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m amused by the caveman days vistigal instinct to fight off other different tribes thought. If this is a holdover still existing in rightwinger behavior that has not changed at the same rate over time as other groups of people, it&#8217;s no wonder they can&#8217;t accept evolution science.<br />
I have been curious about current radical righties who began as radical lefties 30 years ago. How &amp; why do they morph from one extreme to another?
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		<title>by: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/02/08/conservative-correctness/#comment-83939</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Was Gandhi 'pc' or 'cc'?  He was neither.  Rather, he was authentic AND fearless in tirelessly introjecting non-warring responses into the serious entrenchment of empire-created injustices.  
Gandhi was a great leader because, more than anything else, he was also a great teacher who could help those on either side of the injustice equation rise beyond what we today would label 'pc' or 'cc'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Was Gandhi &#8216;pc&#8217; or &#8216;cc&#8217;?  He was neither.  Rather, he was authentic AND fearless in tirelessly introjecting non-warring responses into the serious entrenchment of empire-created injustices.<br />
Gandhi was a great leader because, more than anything else, he was also a great teacher who could help those on either side of the injustice equation rise beyond what we today would label &#8216;pc&#8217; or &#8216;cc&#8217;.
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/02/08/conservative-correctness/#comment-83831</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 02:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>.&lt;i&gt;“They’re worse than we are” is no excuse to ignore people on the left who try to enforce a party line.&lt;/i&gt; 

I agree, but before I ban you for being annoying I want to explain, patiently, that the problem with liberals in the past several years is that we haven't had a &quot;party line.&quot; And the Democrats have been stumbling over each other playing &quot;more conservative than thou.&quot;

One of the things that's held us back is a knee-jerk tendency on the part of some people to always find &quot;balance&quot; by claiming both sides are just as bad. Sometimes they are, but sometimes they aren't.

I am always happy to speak up when I think someone on &quot;my&quot; side is in the wrong. I really don't need lectures on that point, thanks.

&lt;i&gt;If Wikipedia is right, the current sense of “politically correct” seems to have originated among radicals who were chafing at the party line laid down by other radicals.&lt;/i&gt;

I sincerely believe Wikipedia is wrong, as it often is, although I can't prove it.I suspect whoever wrote it was a rightie who is not as old as I am and has no clue what he is talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>.<i>“They’re worse than we are” is no excuse to ignore people on the left who try to enforce a party line.</i> </p>
	<p>I agree, but before I ban you for being annoying I want to explain, patiently, that the problem with liberals in the past several years is that we haven&#8217;t had a &#8220;party line.&#8221; And the Democrats have been stumbling over each other playing &#8220;more conservative than thou.&#8221;</p>
	<p>One of the things that&#8217;s held us back is a knee-jerk tendency on the part of some people to always find &#8220;balance&#8221; by claiming both sides are just as bad. Sometimes they are, but sometimes they aren&#8217;t.</p>
	<p>I am always happy to speak up when I think someone on &#8220;my&#8221; side is in the wrong. I really don&#8217;t need lectures on that point, thanks.</p>
	<p><i>If Wikipedia is right, the current sense of “politically correct” seems to have originated among radicals who were chafing at the party line laid down by other radicals.</i></p>
	<p>I sincerely believe Wikipedia is wrong, as it often is, although I can&#8217;t prove it.I suspect whoever wrote it was a rightie who is not as old as I am and has no clue what he is talking about.
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