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		<title>By: North Korea Threatens Military Action Against the South; Discloses Nuclear Weapons</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Korea Threatens Military Action Against the South; Discloses Nuclear Weapons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] others suggested that it was all just a trumped up necon causus belli. So what was it that shut all these people up? Was it the enriched uranium we found on those aluminum samples the North Koreans gave us, or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] others suggested that it was all just a trumped up necon causus belli. So what was it that shut all these people up? Was it the enriched uranium we found on those aluminum samples the North Koreans gave us, or [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Most Important Anti-DPRK Apologist Story of the Year at DPRK Studies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Most Important Anti-DPRK Apologist Story of the Year at DPRK Studies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Most Important Anti-DPRK Apologist Story of the Year at DPRK Studies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Most Important Anti-DPRK Apologist Story of the Year at DPRK Studies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Swami</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/01/north-korean-uranium-never-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-119080</link>
		<dc:creator>Swami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 04:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swami thinks Bush is a jerk who has no idea of how to handle power.Only a mutton head would conduct a foreign policy with a stuff it down your throat mentality that only creates discord and hostility. There is truth in the old adage that you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar... but unfortunately, Bush is too weak in his being to leverage that truth to America&#039;s benefit.

  Whatever tensions existed between North Korea and the U.S. were exacerbated to a fever pitch when Bush framed the North Koreans into his axis of evil declaration, and thereby shutting down any possibility of a progressive and constructive dialog. He created the enemy we have in North Korea. That&#039;s the reason why Swami thinks Bush is a jerk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swami thinks Bush is a jerk who has no idea of how to handle power.Only a mutton head would conduct a foreign policy with a stuff it down your throat mentality that only creates discord and hostility. There is truth in the old adage that you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar&#8230; but unfortunately, Bush is too weak in his being to leverage that truth to America&#8217;s benefit.</p>
<p>  Whatever tensions existed between North Korea and the U.S. were exacerbated to a fever pitch when Bush framed the North Koreans into his axis of evil declaration, and thereby shutting down any possibility of a progressive and constructive dialog. He created the enemy we have in North Korea. That&#8217;s the reason why Swami thinks Bush is a jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 02:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think that the intelligence community got it wrong. The problem was and remains the politicization at the top levels of the IC. The way it is SUPPOSED to work is: the IC brings info to the exec branch with probabilities and possible scenarios. What we think is happening and what we guess might happen. From that estimate the Exec branch makes policy &amp; works with the State Department &amp; Pentagon with political responses &amp; planning for possible military responses. 

Based mostly in what I read in &quot;Fiasco&quot; and the similar failures with N. Korea, I have to wonder if the facts being reported describe results that arise from the corruption of the process. For the last 6 years the White House has made policy decisions about who our enemies are based in large part on the whisperings of paranoid neocons and the White House has then requested from the IC the &#039;facts&#039; to support the decisions.

Under this theory, the IC became a &#039;whore&#039; to the White House, supplying twisted and blatently false risk estimates which fit the warped policy because to fail to do so would cost senior officials in  the IC their jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think that the intelligence community got it wrong. The problem was and remains the politicization at the top levels of the IC. The way it is SUPPOSED to work is: the IC brings info to the exec branch with probabilities and possible scenarios. What we think is happening and what we guess might happen. From that estimate the Exec branch makes policy &amp; works with the State Department &amp; Pentagon with political responses &amp; planning for possible military responses. </p>
<p>Based mostly in what I read in &#8220;Fiasco&#8221; and the similar failures with N. Korea, I have to wonder if the facts being reported describe results that arise from the corruption of the process. For the last 6 years the White House has made policy decisions about who our enemies are based in large part on the whisperings of paranoid neocons and the White House has then requested from the IC the &#8216;facts&#8217; to support the decisions.</p>
<p>Under this theory, the IC became a &#8216;whore&#8217; to the White House, supplying twisted and blatently false risk estimates which fit the warped policy because to fail to do so would cost senior officials in  the IC their jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: joanr16</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanr16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 01:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another brightly-colored thread unravels from the administration&#039;s carpet of lies.

This is a bit OT, but not unrelated to Donna&#039;s comment about how BushCo is intent on rewriting history.  Tonight NPR did a piece on how, on his Asian trip, Cheney would talk to reporters &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; if they referred to him in their stories as &quot;a senior White House official.&quot;  But then he proceeded to unreel long responses to reporters&#039; questions that described his own actions in the first person.  OK, I&#039;m not conveying the absurity as well as NPR did; they got Leon Panetta on the phone to comment, and for the first three seconds, Panetta just &lt;i&gt;laughed uproariously.&lt;/i&gt;

Point and laugh, it&#039;s where BushCo is now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another brightly-colored thread unravels from the administration&#8217;s carpet of lies.</p>
<p>This is a bit OT, but not unrelated to Donna&#8217;s comment about how BushCo is intent on rewriting history.  Tonight NPR did a piece on how, on his Asian trip, Cheney would talk to reporters <i>only</i> if they referred to him in their stories as &#8220;a senior White House official.&#8221;  But then he proceeded to unreel long responses to reporters&#8217; questions that described his own actions in the first person.  OK, I&#8217;m not conveying the absurity as well as NPR did; they got Leon Panetta on the phone to comment, and for the first three seconds, Panetta just <i>laughed uproariously.</i></p>
<p>Point and laugh, it&#8217;s where BushCo is now.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to say, Maha, that your posts are a treasure, and I hope you are backing them up somewhere.   My comment is sparked by a question being mulled over at Kos the other day about the White House site having &#039;disappeared&#039; certain materials.....with, of course, the fear and speculation that the site scrubbing could be about re-writing history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to say, Maha, that your posts are a treasure, and I hope you are backing them up somewhere.   My comment is sparked by a question being mulled over at Kos the other day about the White House site having &#8216;disappeared&#8217; certain materials&#8230;..with, of course, the fear and speculation that the site scrubbing could be about re-writing history.</p>
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		<title>By: John Palmer/LongHairedWeirdo</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Palmer/LongHairedWeirdo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The really annoying thing about this is, if a nation wants to generate nuclear power, they either need 

1) an absolutely trustworthy fuel-selling partner, or
2) the ability to enrich uranium to fuel-grade.

Now, far be it from me to suggest that the US would ever use leverage over nuclear fuel to try to cause NK problems.

I would never suggest such a thing; I&#039;ll state it for the record. Fuck yeah, the US would use a nuclear fuel supply to cause NK problems if the US felt it was in the US&#039;s &quot;national interests&quot;. So, of course NK wants an alternate supply of fuel.

One thing I&#039;m curious about is this: how much would it *cost* NK (in energy capacity) to build a uranium bomb? I mean, if they had a nuclear reactor, I suspect - I freely admit I could be wrong abou tthis - that they&#039;d be more desperate to use their enriched uranium for fuel than for bombmaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really annoying thing about this is, if a nation wants to generate nuclear power, they either need </p>
<p>1) an absolutely trustworthy fuel-selling partner, or<br />
2) the ability to enrich uranium to fuel-grade.</p>
<p>Now, far be it from me to suggest that the US would ever use leverage over nuclear fuel to try to cause NK problems.</p>
<p>I would never suggest such a thing; I&#8217;ll state it for the record. Fuck yeah, the US would use a nuclear fuel supply to cause NK problems if the US felt it was in the US&#8217;s &#8220;national interests&#8221;. So, of course NK wants an alternate supply of fuel.</p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;m curious about is this: how much would it *cost* NK (in energy capacity) to build a uranium bomb? I mean, if they had a nuclear reactor, I suspect &#8211; I freely admit I could be wrong abou tthis &#8211; that they&#8217;d be more desperate to use their enriched uranium for fuel than for bombmaking.</p>
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