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	<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/</link>
	<description>Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration.</description>
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		<title>by: Santa Monica Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/#comment-159082</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Just to clarify:
Putting in your own people at the beginning of your term is standard operating procedure.
Firing your own people for either 1) going after Republicans or 2) refusing to politicize their office by pushing spurious charges against Democrats is not standard operating procedure, it is obstruction of justice and perversion of justice, respectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just to clarify:<br />
Putting in your own people at the beginning of your term is standard operating procedure.<br />
Firing your own people for either 1) going after Republicans or 2) refusing to politicize their office by pushing spurious charges against Democrats is not standard operating procedure, it is obstruction of justice and perversion of justice, respectively.
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		<title>by: jawbone</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/#comment-158122</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 03:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/#comment-158122</guid>
					<description>What I don't understand is why they think the public  is so stupid as to believe the lies they continue to hand out.

How stupid do they think we are?

Goes for the MCM* which used the RNC talking points.

*Mainstream Corporate Media</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is why they think the public  is so stupid as to believe the lies they continue to hand out.</p>
	<p>How stupid do they think we are?</p>
	<p>Goes for the MCM* which used the RNC talking points.</p>
	<p>*Mainstream Corporate Media
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		<title>by: SamFromUtah</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/#comment-157234</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;“We didn’t break the law,” is now the final spin this administration can put on this whole mess.&lt;/i&gt;

A tired, but effective, workhorse is this excuse.

If it can be shown that they fired USAs for investigating corruption cases, isn't there some sort of legal wrinkle there? I mean, I assume the attorney's replacement is still legal, but trashing the investigations can't be purely &quot;at the pleasure of the president&quot;, can it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>“We didn’t break the law,” is now the final spin this administration can put on this whole mess.</i></p>
	<p>A tired, but effective, workhorse is this excuse.</p>
	<p>If it can be shown that they fired USAs for investigating corruption cases, isn&#8217;t there some sort of legal wrinkle there? I mean, I assume the attorney&#8217;s replacement is still legal, but trashing the investigations can&#8217;t be purely &#8220;at the pleasure of the president&#8221;, can it?
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		<title>by: joanr16</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/#comment-156735</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/#comment-156735</guid>
					<description>Indeed, the timing of the current firings is unique, halfway into Bush's second term.  So the righties' comparisons to what Clinton did in '93 (or Reagan did in '81) are inaccurate, as usual.  We're learning that the current situation involved both BushCo's love of patronage-for-incompetent-cronies, and their disdain for the U.S. legal system.  And I still say it's no coincidence that they began tweaking the Judicial Branch right after losing control of the Legislative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Indeed, the timing of the current firings is unique, halfway into Bush&#8217;s second term.  So the righties&#8217; comparisons to what Clinton did in &#8216;93 (or Reagan did in &#8216;81) are inaccurate, as usual.  We&#8217;re learning that the current situation involved both BushCo&#8217;s love of patronage-for-incompetent-cronies, and their disdain for the U.S. legal system.  And I still say it&#8217;s no coincidence that they began tweaking the Judicial Branch right after losing control of the Legislative.
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		<title>by: Clayton</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/#comment-156582</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/#comment-156582</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;No, it isn’t. According to this Associated Press story, Reagan fired ALL of the U.S. attorneys at the beginning of his term, too. And George W. Bush replaced all of Bill Clinton’s appointees during his first term, although not all at once.&lt;/i&gt;

I stand corrected.  I was searching for such a story as I figured as much would probably be true, but I couldn't find one.  Thanks for pointing that out. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>No, it isn’t. According to this Associated Press story, Reagan fired ALL of the U.S. attorneys at the beginning of his term, too. And George W. Bush replaced all of Bill Clinton’s appointees during his first term, although not all at once.</i></p>
	<p>I stand corrected.  I was searching for such a story as I figured as much would probably be true, but I couldn&#8217;t find one.  Thanks for pointing that out. <img src='http://www.mahablog.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Clayton</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/#comment-156578</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/#comment-156578</guid>
					<description>Before I forget, there's one more thing I forgot to add.  Pay special attention to the administration's spin today and tomorrow.  This morning with Gonzales' appearance on CNN with Miles O'Brien (and kudos to Mr. O'Brien for being so aggressive in his questioning), we saw the beginning of the very last line of defense:  nothing we did was illegal.  As a technicality, this is true, but what has happened here is unethical in the strongest sense of the word and stinks of pure politics.

&quot;We didn't break the law,&quot; is now the final spin this administration can put on this whole mess.  This scandal is huge, and the attorney general could very well lose his job over this, but as far as the white house is concerned, this whole mess is null since no laws were broken.  Highly ironic considering this administration's complete disregard for the rule of law, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Before I forget, there&#8217;s one more thing I forgot to add.  Pay special attention to the administration&#8217;s spin today and tomorrow.  This morning with Gonzales&#8217; appearance on CNN with Miles O&#8217;Brien (and kudos to Mr. O&#8217;Brien for being so aggressive in his questioning), we saw the beginning of the very last line of defense:  nothing we did was illegal.  As a technicality, this is true, but what has happened here is unethical in the strongest sense of the word and stinks of pure politics.</p>
	<p>&#8220;We didn&#8217;t break the law,&#8221; is now the final spin this administration can put on this whole mess.  This scandal is huge, and the attorney general could very well lose his job over this, but as far as the white house is concerned, this whole mess is null since no laws were broken.  Highly ironic considering this administration&#8217;s complete disregard for the rule of law, no?
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/#comment-156568</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/#comment-156568</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;Allow me to preface our next observations by reminding everyone that what made Clinton’s own firings unique was that this was a blanket firing on a scale that had never been seen before.&lt;/i&gt;

No, it isn't. According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/14/AR2007031400462_2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this Associated Press story&lt;/a&gt;, Reagan fired ALL of the U.S. attorneys at the beginning of his term, too. And George W. Bush replaced all of Bill Clinton's appointees during his first term, although not all at once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Allow me to preface our next observations by reminding everyone that what made Clinton’s own firings unique was that this was a blanket firing on a scale that had never been seen before.</i></p>
	<p>No, it isn&#8217;t. According to <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/14/AR2007031400462_2.html" rel="nofollow">this Associated Press story</a>, Reagan fired ALL of the U.S. attorneys at the beginning of his term, too. And George W. Bush replaced all of Bill Clinton&#8217;s appointees during his first term, although not all at once.
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		<title>by: Clayton</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/#comment-156550</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/#comment-156550</guid>
					<description>Here's the crux of the argument being posited by righties as near as I can tell:  Clinton's administration fired U.S. attorneys much as the Bush administration just fired some of their own U.S. attorneys; ergo, Clinton deserves to be criticized just as much (if not more--he is and always has been, after all, in league with the devil according to them) as Dear Leader is being criticized now.  At the risk of borrowing a favorite right-wing pseudo-religious analogy, it's an eye for an eye if you will.

Allow me to preface our next observations by reminding everyone that what made Clinton's own firings unique was that this was a blanket firing on a scale that had never been seen before.  Clinton dismissed all but one U.S. attorney upon assuming office, and in doing so, he bucked a trend of waiting for current terms of U.S. attorneys to expire before naming their replacements.  That being said, there are two major problems with the comparison of Clinton versus Bush.  The first and most obvious being that Clinton's own appointments came at the beginning of his first term in office.  Much as George W. Bush did at the beginning of his own first term, Clinton cleaned house of the previous administration's attorneys in a purge primarily intended to sweep the U.S. attorneys' offices clean of appointments made by the opposing political party.  This is to be expected, and upon honest examination, it's a very fair move on the part of either party.

Second, and perhaps more importantly, the Clinton firings came at the end of an *unprecedented* and unbroken twelve year chain of U.S. attorneys that were appointed by the Reagan and Bush administrations.  The fact that the first Bush administration had failed to infuse the U.S. attorneys' offices with enough new blood meant that by the time Clinton assumed office, a substantial cleansing was needed.

There's a lot that we could analyze in this situation, but I think the Clinton defense basically boils down, yet again, to the Republican ideal of governance by privilege.  The argument at the time seems to be that Republicans were miffed at the idea of a collective of U.S. attorneys who had been dismissed after twelve years in control weren't allowed to stay in control.  (&quot;If they've been doing well for this long, why the hell would we fire them?&quot;)  We saw this theme revived en masse during the 2006 campaign season when so many Republicans' only defense of their own reelections was that since they'd been in office this long, they were obviously doing *something* right and thus should be elected to another term.

Yet again we're being handed more and more evidence of righties' disconnect from reality.  Because they are so wrong about this, the only defense that they have left is the suggestion that this has been done before in the past and that makes it okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here&#8217;s the crux of the argument being posited by righties as near as I can tell:  Clinton&#8217;s administration fired U.S. attorneys much as the Bush administration just fired some of their own U.S. attorneys; ergo, Clinton deserves to be criticized just as much (if not more&#8211;he is and always has been, after all, in league with the devil according to them) as Dear Leader is being criticized now.  At the risk of borrowing a favorite right-wing pseudo-religious analogy, it&#8217;s an eye for an eye if you will.</p>
	<p>Allow me to preface our next observations by reminding everyone that what made Clinton&#8217;s own firings unique was that this was a blanket firing on a scale that had never been seen before.  Clinton dismissed all but one U.S. attorney upon assuming office, and in doing so, he bucked a trend of waiting for current terms of U.S. attorneys to expire before naming their replacements.  That being said, there are two major problems with the comparison of Clinton versus Bush.  The first and most obvious being that Clinton&#8217;s own appointments came at the beginning of his first term in office.  Much as George W. Bush did at the beginning of his own first term, Clinton cleaned house of the previous administration&#8217;s attorneys in a purge primarily intended to sweep the U.S. attorneys&#8217; offices clean of appointments made by the opposing political party.  This is to be expected, and upon honest examination, it&#8217;s a very fair move on the part of either party.</p>
	<p>Second, and perhaps more importantly, the Clinton firings came at the end of an *unprecedented* and unbroken twelve year chain of U.S. attorneys that were appointed by the Reagan and Bush administrations.  The fact that the first Bush administration had failed to infuse the U.S. attorneys&#8217; offices with enough new blood meant that by the time Clinton assumed office, a substantial cleansing was needed.</p>
	<p>There&#8217;s a lot that we could analyze in this situation, but I think the Clinton defense basically boils down, yet again, to the Republican ideal of governance by privilege.  The argument at the time seems to be that Republicans were miffed at the idea of a collective of U.S. attorneys who had been dismissed after twelve years in control weren&#8217;t allowed to stay in control.  (&#8221;If they&#8217;ve been doing well for this long, why the hell would we fire them?&#8221;)  We saw this theme revived en masse during the 2006 campaign season when so many Republicans&#8217; only defense of their own reelections was that since they&#8217;d been in office this long, they were obviously doing *something* right and thus should be elected to another term.</p>
	<p>Yet again we&#8217;re being handed more and more evidence of righties&#8217; disconnect from reality.  Because they are so wrong about this, the only defense that they have left is the suggestion that this has been done before in the past and that makes it okay.
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		<title>by: Rev. Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/03/14/old-rightie-lies-never-die/#comment-156468</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The typical reaction by BushCo to the latest republican scandel:

1. Silence

2. Denial - &quot;There's really no scandel here, just the libruhl media trying to smear honest god-fearing republicans.&quot;  

3. Dismissal - &quot;How is this a scandal?  CLINTON DID IT TOO!!1!&quot;

4. Blame - &quot;It was just one low-level flunky, obviously planted by the libruhls, and has nothing to do with us upstanding republicans.  No one at higher levels knew anything.&quot;

 5. Revisionism - &quot;Are you still harping about that?  It never happened - libruhl smear, biased media, Clinton did it too.&quot;

6. Next scandel, return to step 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The typical reaction by BushCo to the latest republican scandel:</p>
	<p>1. Silence</p>
	<p>2. Denial - &#8220;There&#8217;s really no scandel here, just the libruhl media trying to smear honest god-fearing republicans.&#8221;  </p>
	<p>3. Dismissal - &#8220;How is this a scandal?  CLINTON DID IT TOO!!1!&#8221;</p>
	<p>4. Blame - &#8220;It was just one low-level flunky, obviously planted by the libruhls, and has nothing to do with us upstanding republicans.  No one at higher levels knew anything.&#8221;</p>
	<p> 5. Revisionism - &#8220;Are you still harping about that?  It never happened - libruhl smear, biased media, Clinton did it too.&#8221;</p>
	<p>6. Next scandel, return to step 1.
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