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		<title>By: Kevin Hayden</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/01/fantasy-land/comment-page-1/#comment-222356</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose it&#039;s possible that grown women act like Peggy but as I recall, she began as a speechwriter. Call me cynical but I believe she views herself as a playright. Thus she defines the setting in romantic terms to set a mood, and goes from there.

In short, I view her not as Gidget getting gushy over Moondoggie, but as an actor assigning herself the role of a perpetually adolescent lovestruck Donna Reed, even though she&#039;s what? About 136 years old?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose it&#8217;s possible that grown women act like Peggy but as I recall, she began as a speechwriter. Call me cynical but I believe she views herself as a playright. Thus she defines the setting in romantic terms to set a mood, and goes from there.</p>
<p>In short, I view her not as Gidget getting gushy over Moondoggie, but as an actor assigning herself the role of a perpetually adolescent lovestruck Donna Reed, even though she&#8217;s what? About 136 years old?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Versen</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/01/fantasy-land/comment-page-1/#comment-222326</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Versen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 05:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peggy Noonan isn&#039;t a real person. She wandered off the page of an episode of &lt;i&gt;Frasier&lt;/i&gt; that had too many pretentious characters and needed a rewrite, and when she realized she was no longer in the world of screen characteters and tried to go back, the other characters wouldn&#039;t let her. 

So, stuck in our reality and needing a job, she decided to write speeches and engage in punditry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peggy Noonan isn&#8217;t a real person. She wandered off the page of an episode of <i>Frasier</i> that had too many pretentious characters and needed a rewrite, and when she realized she was no longer in the world of screen characteters and tried to go back, the other characters wouldn&#8217;t let her. </p>
<p>So, stuck in our reality and needing a job, she decided to write speeches and engage in punditry.</p>
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		<title>By: The Heretik : Betrayal</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/01/fantasy-land/comment-page-1/#comment-222317</link>
		<dc:creator>The Heretik : Betrayal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 03:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And Peggy Noonan woke up and found George Bush had labeled her an enemy combatant. Or so she felt. Betrayed. A part of her knew the president was right. Why did she hate America? Would the president in his wisdom see fit to send her to Gitmo? She would suffer gladly. Or not so gladly. Perhaps only verbosely. It was all a dream. Or was it? Oh, dear. Peggy Noonan is always the last to know: &#8220;The president has taken to suggesting that opponents of his immigration bill are unpatriotic&#8211;they &#8220;don&#8217;t want to do what&#8217;s right for America.&#8221;  What Peggy may not realize is The president has taken to suggesting that opponents of anything he says are unpatriotic&#8211;they &#8220;don&#8217;t want to do what&#8217;s right for America.. So conservatives are doomed to the same fate Amerika loving, American hating liberal scum have felt for years. Only One Man knows the One Truth. O, pity konservative kind and most unkind fate. Republicans are being torn apart, Christians and libertarians as well, by the mad lions in the New Emperor’s Colosseum of Colossal Mistakes. The good or bad news is there are less Republicans by the day. Republicans are being torn apart, Christians and libertarians as well, by the mad lions in the New Emperor&#8217;s Colosseum of Colossal Mistakes. The good or bad news is there are less Republicans by the day. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And Peggy Noonan woke up and found George Bush had labeled her an enemy combatant. Or so she felt. Betrayed. A part of her knew the president was right. Why did she hate America? Would the president in his wisdom see fit to send her to Gitmo? She would suffer gladly. Or not so gladly. Perhaps only verbosely. It was all a dream. Or was it? Oh, dear. Peggy Noonan is always the last to know: &#8220;The president has taken to suggesting that opponents of his immigration bill are unpatriotic&#8211;they &#8220;don&#8217;t want to do what&#8217;s right for America.&#8221;  What Peggy may not realize is The president has taken to suggesting that opponents of anything he says are unpatriotic&#8211;they &#8220;don&#8217;t want to do what&#8217;s right for America.. So conservatives are doomed to the same fate Amerika loving, American hating liberal scum have felt for years. Only One Man knows the One Truth. O, pity konservative kind and most unkind fate. Republicans are being torn apart, Christians and libertarians as well, by the mad lions in the New Emperor’s Colosseum of Colossal Mistakes. The good or bad news is there are less Republicans by the day. Republicans are being torn apart, Christians and libertarians as well, by the mad lions in the New Emperor&#8217;s Colosseum of Colossal Mistakes. The good or bad news is there are less Republicans by the day. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: the talking dog</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/01/fantasy-land/comment-page-1/#comment-222296</link>
		<dc:creator>the talking dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 01:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you realize that Fred Thompson is the second coming of St. Ron?  Another strong, no-nonsense figure, with &quot;real conservative&quot; values.  Of course, that figure is actually Manhattan DA Arthur Branch, a character that Thompson acted, rather than Fred himself... but what can you do?  The real question is whether old Fred has waited too long... or if he should have stayed out a few more months while &lt;i&gt;Law and Order&lt;/i&gt;  reruns played ad infinitum on 14 different channels...

You do the Scaife/Coors/Olin, et al. media machine somewhat of a  disservice by attributing individual feelings and emotions to its loyal disseminators such as (Brooklyn&#039;s own) Ms. Noonan ...  She too, is just playing a character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you realize that Fred Thompson is the second coming of St. Ron?  Another strong, no-nonsense figure, with &#8220;real conservative&#8221; values.  Of course, that figure is actually Manhattan DA Arthur Branch, a character that Thompson acted, rather than Fred himself&#8230; but what can you do?  The real question is whether old Fred has waited too long&#8230; or if he should have stayed out a few more months while <i>Law and Order</i>  reruns played ad infinitum on 14 different channels&#8230;</p>
<p>You do the Scaife/Coors/Olin, et al. media machine somewhat of a  disservice by attributing individual feelings and emotions to its loyal disseminators such as (Brooklyn&#8217;s own) Ms. Noonan &#8230;  She too, is just playing a character.</p>
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		<title>By: D.R. Marvel</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/01/fantasy-land/comment-page-1/#comment-222290</link>
		<dc:creator>D.R. Marvel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And most heroes are eventually rejected, because they rarely can live up to childish dreams.&quot;

 Or, in the words of my all-time favorite posthumous (Oops!) Medal of Honor winner: &quot;Show me a hero, and I&#039;ll show you a bum.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And most heroes are eventually rejected, because they rarely can live up to childish dreams.&#8221;</p>
<p> Or, in the words of my all-time favorite posthumous (Oops!) Medal of Honor winner: &#8220;Show me a hero, and I&#8217;ll show you a bum.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: joanr16</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/01/fantasy-land/comment-page-1/#comment-222269</link>
		<dc:creator>joanr16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plenty of frauleins swooned over Hitler.  It doesn&#039;t take much.  Pegs used to think Ronnie Raygun was the be-all, end-all of Great American Presidents; as my grandma used to say, &lt;i&gt;Pshaw.&lt;/i&gt;

As for Fred Thompson, he spent his entire one term in the Senate persecuting the Clintons.  Didn&#039;t accomplish a damn thing for his constituents except waste their tax dollars.  The guy is Foghorn Leghorn, in human(ish) form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plenty of frauleins swooned over Hitler.  It doesn&#8217;t take much.  Pegs used to think Ronnie Raygun was the be-all, end-all of Great American Presidents; as my grandma used to say, <i>Pshaw.</i></p>
<p>As for Fred Thompson, he spent his entire one term in the Senate persecuting the Clintons.  Didn&#8217;t accomplish a damn thing for his constituents except waste their tax dollars.  The guy is Foghorn Leghorn, in human(ish) form.</p>
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		<title>By: bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/01/fantasy-land/comment-page-1/#comment-222256</link>
		<dc:creator>bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahhh, so it&#039;s Fred Thompson she&#039;s setting us up for!  I assumed this was a set-up to rally the troops for a candidate.  Noonan has the same disgusting sliminess of David Brooks, who couch their partisan daggers in pseudo-psychoanalytic (Noonan) or sociological (Brooks) bulls__t, all in the most hypocritical patronizing tone.
UGH...imagine that, Bush calling into question his opponents&#039; patriotism!!  It&#039;s Alright If It&#039;s Against Democrats</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahhh, so it&#8217;s Fred Thompson she&#8217;s setting us up for!  I assumed this was a set-up to rally the troops for a candidate.  Noonan has the same disgusting sliminess of David Brooks, who couch their partisan daggers in pseudo-psychoanalytic (Noonan) or sociological (Brooks) bulls__t, all in the most hypocritical patronizing tone.<br />
UGH&#8230;imagine that, Bush calling into question his opponents&#8217; patriotism!!  It&#8217;s Alright If It&#8217;s Against Democrats</p>
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		<title>By: Swami</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/01/fantasy-land/comment-page-1/#comment-222252</link>
		<dc:creator>Swami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The beginning of my own sense of separation from the Bush administration came in January 2005,&lt;/i&gt;

What took her so long ..wasn&#039;t Bush&#039;s —&quot;Either you&#039;re for us or against us&quot;— speech enough of a clue? I knew then that I had been branded an enemy of the United States if I disagreed the Bush administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The beginning of my own sense of separation from the Bush administration came in January 2005,</i></p>
<p>What took her so long ..wasn&#8217;t Bush&#8217;s —&#8221;Either you&#8217;re for us or against us&#8221;— speech enough of a clue? I knew then that I had been branded an enemy of the United States if I disagreed the Bush administration.</p>
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		<title>By: moonbat</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/01/fantasy-land/comment-page-1/#comment-222241</link>
		<dc:creator>moonbat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noonan&#039;s hero-worshipping infatuation is a highly visible example of a common malady. I experienced it first-hand in an otherwise sensible female GOP cousin of mine who absolutely stunned me with the way she gushed over George W. Bush. Could she not see what an obvious, immature, immoral doof he was?  Apparently not - she fell for his phony, folksy &quot;charm&quot; and his image of strength.

The flip side of this childish adulation is the way the hero is rejected when s/he turns out to betray their hopes. And most heroes are eventually rejected, because they rarely can live up to childish dreams. It&#039;s repeated disillusionments like that causes most children to grow past these infatuations. 

This is why it&#039;s not about agreeing or disagreeing with the hero&#039;/anti-hero&#039;s opinions, it&#039;s far more personal than that. The people Noonan et al. worship fill a particular void in their lives.

A defining characteristic of the right is the childish way they relate to authority. They need Big Daddy and will get him no matter what. This is why they hated Bill Clinton - he was seen as weak and not authoritarian enough for them. They could&#039;ve excused his bimbo eruptions had he been a &quot;real man&quot;.

A somewhat interesting parallel is Arianna Huffington. She went through her hero worship phase some years ago, courting and embracing powerful male figures from the right. Since she moved leftward, I don&#039;t see quite as much of this anymore. I&#039;m not nuts about her, but I think she finally realized she was smarter than many of the men she was fawning over.

The sad thing is that people like Noonan have a public soapbox and are clueless about their own particular form of childishness, and that we have to waste time dealing with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noonan&#8217;s hero-worshipping infatuation is a highly visible example of a common malady. I experienced it first-hand in an otherwise sensible female GOP cousin of mine who absolutely stunned me with the way she gushed over George W. Bush. Could she not see what an obvious, immature, immoral doof he was?  Apparently not &#8211; she fell for his phony, folksy &#8220;charm&#8221; and his image of strength.</p>
<p>The flip side of this childish adulation is the way the hero is rejected when s/he turns out to betray their hopes. And most heroes are eventually rejected, because they rarely can live up to childish dreams. It&#8217;s repeated disillusionments like that causes most children to grow past these infatuations. </p>
<p>This is why it&#8217;s not about agreeing or disagreeing with the hero&#8217;/anti-hero&#8217;s opinions, it&#8217;s far more personal than that. The people Noonan et al. worship fill a particular void in their lives.</p>
<p>A defining characteristic of the right is the childish way they relate to authority. They need Big Daddy and will get him no matter what. This is why they hated Bill Clinton &#8211; he was seen as weak and not authoritarian enough for them. They could&#8217;ve excused his bimbo eruptions had he been a &#8220;real man&#8221;.</p>
<p>A somewhat interesting parallel is Arianna Huffington. She went through her hero worship phase some years ago, courting and embracing powerful male figures from the right. Since she moved leftward, I don&#8217;t see quite as much of this anymore. I&#8217;m not nuts about her, but I think she finally realized she was smarter than many of the men she was fawning over.</p>
<p>The sad thing is that people like Noonan have a public soapbox and are clueless about their own particular form of childishness, and that we have to waste time dealing with them.</p>
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