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	<description>Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration.</description>
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		<title>by: No Mistake &#8212; Blog on Heatlh Diet Food Loosing Weight</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/25/no-mistake/#comment-274707</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] This is a follow up to the last post, in which I argue that it is the duty of a patriot to speak up about the wrongdoing of his own country &amp;#8230; and who were subsequently punished by the full weight of the states power - with the state sponsored actions    source: No Mistake, The Mahablog [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] This is a follow up to the last post, in which I argue that it is the duty of a patriot to speak up about the wrongdoing of his own country &#8230; and who were subsequently punished by the full weight of the states power - with the state sponsored actions    source: No Mistake, The Mahablog [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/25/no-mistake/#comment-252118</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;He’s less of a clueless dork than Rush Limbaugh. But he still isn’t seeing the big picture.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, exactly. I had assumed that, like most Bush supporters, he would have defended the abuses, or at least sought to excuse them, and I commented sarcastically based on that assumption. When I discovered I was wrong, I thought I should correct myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>He’s less of a clueless dork than Rush Limbaugh. But he still isn’t seeing the big picture.</i></p>
	<p>Well, exactly. I had assumed that, like most Bush supporters, he would have defended the abuses, or at least sought to excuse them, and I commented sarcastically based on that assumption. When I discovered I was wrong, I thought I should correct myself.
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		<title>by: Swami</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/25/no-mistake/#comment-251408</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19424797/

Bush is still indulging himself in lies. &quot; Oh no, we don't torture, or commit human rights abuses&quot;.. How can you even hope to reach somebody who is so far out in La La land with their delusions and denials that reality can't even penetrate?</description>
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	<p>Bush is still indulging himself in lies. &#8221; Oh no, we don&#8217;t torture, or commit human rights abuses&#8221;.. How can you even hope to reach somebody who is so far out in La La land with their delusions and denials that reality can&#8217;t even penetrate?
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		<title>by: Janet</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/25/no-mistake/#comment-251201</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 02:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sorry this is off topic but we have devised a plan to put pressure on the press. They think we are not out here seething. Well, we are. Please check out my homepage to see what we are planning</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sorry this is off topic but we have devised a plan to put pressure on the press. They think we are not out here seething. Well, we are. Please check out my homepage to see what we are planning
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		<title>by: Swami</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/25/no-mistake/#comment-251126</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, another thing...Anybody who's been in the military or any organization that is structure with an echelon system knows that the shit that when on at Abu Ghraib didn't happen without the blessings from above. I reject totally the idea that the abuse was conducted by renegades. No way!!! And Bush was no stranger to what was going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, another thing&#8230;Anybody who&#8217;s been in the military or any organization that is structure with an echelon system knows that the shit that when on at Abu Ghraib didn&#8217;t happen without the blessings from above. I reject totally the idea that the abuse was conducted by renegades. No way!!! And Bush was no stranger to what was going on.
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		<title>by: Swami</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/25/no-mistake/#comment-251114</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>God bless the scoundrels! Cheney single handedly dragged America into the gutter. Between him and Gonzales, our word as a nation is shit. The Geneva Coventions are a worthless document, and our honor in honoring treaties is gone. They essentially took a dump on what America should be.
  When I grew up, Americans looked at other countries who condoned torture and flagrant human rights violations, and took pride in the fact that we were Americans, and we didn't engage in that kind behavior as a nation. Unfortunately, I can't claim that honor of national morality any more, nor can I take pride in what America has become. I hope, I double hope..that Cheney gets his eternal reward soon. The sooner he slips into eternity, the better this universe will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>God bless the scoundrels! Cheney single handedly dragged America into the gutter. Between him and Gonzales, our word as a nation is shit. The Geneva Coventions are a worthless document, and our honor in honoring treaties is gone. They essentially took a dump on what America should be.<br />
  When I grew up, Americans looked at other countries who condoned torture and flagrant human rights violations, and took pride in the fact that we were Americans, and we didn&#8217;t engage in that kind behavior as a nation. Unfortunately, I can&#8217;t claim that honor of national morality any more, nor can I take pride in what America has become. I hope, I double hope..that Cheney gets his eternal reward soon. The sooner he slips into eternity, the better this universe will be.
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/25/no-mistake/#comment-250879</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Lex did indeed call out the behavior at Abu Ghraib early on&lt;/i&gt;

Translation: He's less of a clueless dork than Rush Limbaugh. But he still isn't seeing the big picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Lex did indeed call out the behavior at Abu Ghraib early on</i></p>
	<p>Translation: He&#8217;s less of a clueless dork than Rush Limbaugh. But he still isn&#8217;t seeing the big picture.
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		<title>by: biggerbox</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/25/no-mistake/#comment-250801</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What is Lex talking about?

In my reading, it was Malkin who drew a moral equivalency between the Iranian beating and Abu Ghraib, by suggesting that, if lefties were honest about their outrage at Abu Ghraib they should be equally outraged and vociferous about the Iranian incident. Because they are equivalent, presumably, and the response should be consistent.

Malkin's point was, since the left is not raging about Iran, they are hypocritical and their outrage at Abu Ghraib must therefore be inauthentic. 

The point is that the two are NOT equivalent, and that Malkin's thesis is incorrect. One can have a different degree of moral outrage for the behavior of the United States than for the behavior of Iran. This is not to approve of Iran, but simply to hold our country to the standard it aspires to, which has made us a great nation.

Abu Ghraib elicited the response it did because it was &lt;b&gt;us&lt;/b&gt; doing it, which is important in many different ways. Among them, the fact that we, as a nation, are supposed to reject such behaviors, that we have a history of standing in opposition to them, and that, as maha mentions above, this is our republic and we have a chance of doing something about it.

There is ample evidence that WE DON'T KNOW who is or isn't responsible for Abu Ghraib, and until we have a complete investigation, given the rhetoric and record of this administration, it is ridiculous to assume we have punished them. (How did those hillbillies figure out these techniques that so closely match Gitmo?)

I agree with Lex, and with Malkin, I guess, that the photos from Iran are awful. I encourage the Iranian people to get busy trying to change their government to stop such atrocities. Once we've stopped our own government's atrocities, maybe we can help. Maybe if Malkin pitched in, instead of sniping at us, it would happen sooner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What is Lex talking about?</p>
	<p>In my reading, it was Malkin who drew a moral equivalency between the Iranian beating and Abu Ghraib, by suggesting that, if lefties were honest about their outrage at Abu Ghraib they should be equally outraged and vociferous about the Iranian incident. Because they are equivalent, presumably, and the response should be consistent.</p>
	<p>Malkin&#8217;s point was, since the left is not raging about Iran, they are hypocritical and their outrage at Abu Ghraib must therefore be inauthentic. </p>
	<p>The point is that the two are NOT equivalent, and that Malkin&#8217;s thesis is incorrect. One can have a different degree of moral outrage for the behavior of the United States than for the behavior of Iran. This is not to approve of Iran, but simply to hold our country to the standard it aspires to, which has made us a great nation.</p>
	<p>Abu Ghraib elicited the response it did because it was <b>us</b> doing it, which is important in many different ways. Among them, the fact that we, as a nation, are supposed to reject such behaviors, that we have a history of standing in opposition to them, and that, as maha mentions above, this is our republic and we have a chance of doing something about it.</p>
	<p>There is ample evidence that WE DON&#8217;T KNOW who is or isn&#8217;t responsible for Abu Ghraib, and until we have a complete investigation, given the rhetoric and record of this administration, it is ridiculous to assume we have punished them. (How did those hillbillies figure out these techniques that so closely match Gitmo?)</p>
	<p>I agree with Lex, and with Malkin, I guess, that the photos from Iran are awful. I encourage the Iranian people to get busy trying to change their government to stop such atrocities. Once we&#8217;ve stopped our own government&#8217;s atrocities, maybe we can help. Maybe if Malkin pitched in, instead of sniping at us, it would happen sooner.
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		<title>by: sniflheim</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/25/no-mistake/#comment-250782</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Based on his showing here, he deserves credit for being a better damage controller than the likes of Limbaugh. Medal of freedom material these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Based on his showing here, he deserves credit for being a better damage controller than the likes of Limbaugh. Medal of freedom material these days.
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		<title>by: patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/06/25/no-mistake/#comment-250673</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>For the record, Lex did indeed call out the behavior at Abu Ghraib early on: http://www.neptunuslex.com/2004/05/05/abu-ghraib/

His was not the standard civilian Bush supporter position, but certainly is consistent with others in the military at the time. And I stand by my earlier statement: he deserves credit for calling it what it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For the record, Lex did indeed call out the behavior at Abu Ghraib early on: <a href='http://www.neptunuslex.com/2004/05/05/abu-ghraib/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2004/05/05/abu-ghraib/</a></p>
	<p>His was not the standard civilian Bush supporter position, but certainly is consistent with others in the military at the time. And I stand by my earlier statement: he deserves credit for calling it what it was.
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