Comments on: The Curve of Time http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/ Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration. Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:58:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: The Mahablog » Boy Trouble http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-267287 Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:01:30 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-267287 [...] On a more serious level, this particular Republican anxiety, with its weird, manufactured "solutions" is really a cry for authentic masculine leadership, which truly is, and has been, in crisis for quite awhile in this country. I wrote in an earlier post how feminine consciousness has been in ascendance worldwide, for a century or longer. The anxieties of "The Baby Party", with its desperate grasping at dolls with silicon penises and Hollywood Fred, represent the flip side of this same phenomenon. [...] […] On a more serious level, this particular Republican anxiety, with its weird, manufactured "solutions" is really a cry for authentic masculine leadership, which truly is, and has been, in crisis for quite awhile in this country. I wrote in an earlier post how feminine consciousness has been in ascendance worldwide, for a century or longer. The anxieties of "The Baby Party", with its desperate grasping at dolls with silicon penises and Hollywood Fred, represent the flip side of this same phenomenon. […]

]]> by: moonbat http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262553 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:30:50 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262553 grannyeagle, comment 7 - I am <b>so</b> glad you brought up yin/yang, because you're right on the money - this is exactly what the whole post is about. There is a lot I wanted to say but had to cut it down to size, and also I had to tailor it for people who aren't necessarily familiar with these concepts. And so there's very little here about metaphysical ideas, which I would've loved to include. I remember giving a Toastmasters speech more or less based on this post, (it was a very unusual Toastmasters group, that alas, is no more), and I used the terms yin/yang - which basically drew a lot of blank stares. Rule 1 of giving speeches/writing posts: Know Your Audience. Thanks again. grannyeagle, comment 7 - I am so glad you brought up yin/yang, because you’re right on the money - this is exactly what the whole post is about.

There is a lot I wanted to say but had to cut it down to size, and also I had to tailor it for people who aren’t necessarily familiar with these concepts. And so there’s very little here about metaphysical ideas, which I would’ve loved to include.

I remember giving a Toastmasters speech more or less based on this post, (it was a very unusual Toastmasters group, that alas, is no more), and I used the terms yin/yang - which basically drew a lot of blank stares. Rule 1 of giving speeches/writing posts: Know Your Audience.

Thanks again.

]]> by: www.buzzflash.net http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262545 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:06:37 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262545 <strong>The Curve Of Time</strong> In the Democratic Presidential Pack, the leading man is a woman and the leading woman is a man. The Curve Of Time

In the Democratic Presidential Pack, the leading man is a woman and the leading woman is a man.

]]> by: grannyeagle http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262506 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:29:54 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262506 Moonbat - you made a very important observation in your next to last paragraph. That is, both styles of consciousness are complementary and necessary. This is the whole concept of yin/yang. One cannot exist without the other and only when they work cooperatively can balance be maintained. If not, chaos and disaster happen. All animals and plants in nature have no problem adhering to this principle. Man (as in humans) enters the picture, sees himself as outside or above nature and wants to control everything. However, when either yin or yang get out of balance, nature cannot keep that position. It naturally collapses and the opposite side occurs. The best example that I can give that I think people can understand is heat stroke or the diagnosis bipolar. Too much heat uses up the body's fluids (yin) then the body collapses which is a yin state. In the manic state, people are hyperactive, not sleeping or eating. They are also euphoric. If this goes on too long, they finally collapse, get depressed and can't do anything. I have long thought the world is too yang now. Too much activity, too much light and of course too much aggression. We can't even see the milky way anymore unless we live in the wilderness. We have lost our night which is intended for rest and rejuvenation. If we do not do something, nature will take care of it. I agree Obama seems to be more yin than Hillary who is desperately trying to appear strong. However, the whole mess in Washington is too yang and that is what needs to be changed. I have lost faith that one person in the role of president can change anhything. Moonbat - you made a very important observation in your next to last paragraph. That is, both styles of consciousness are complementary and necessary. This is the whole concept of yin/yang. One cannot exist without the other and only when they work cooperatively can balance be maintained. If not, chaos and disaster happen. All animals and plants in nature have no problem adhering to this principle. Man (as in humans) enters the picture, sees himself as outside or above nature and wants to control everything. However, when either yin or yang get out of balance, nature cannot keep that position. It naturally collapses and the opposite side occurs. The best example that I can give that I think people can understand is heat stroke or the diagnosis bipolar. Too much heat uses up the body’s fluids (yin) then the body collapses which is a yin state. In the manic state, people are hyperactive, not sleeping or eating. They are also euphoric. If this goes on too long, they finally collapse, get depressed and can’t do anything.
I have long thought the world is too yang now. Too much activity, too much light and of course too much aggression. We can’t even see the milky way anymore unless we live in the wilderness. We have lost our night which is intended for rest and rejuvenation. If we do not do something, nature will take care of it.
I agree Obama seems to be more yin than Hillary who is desperately trying to appear strong. However, the whole mess in Washington is too yang and that is what needs to be changed. I have lost faith that one person in the role of president can change anhything.

]]> by: Swami http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262503 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:26:29 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262503 Nice post, moonbat. One suggestion after the fact..You should have mentioned," bring it on"..What better way to illustrate the poverty of a high testosterone leader. We're governed by a complete moron who doesn't even acknowledge or appreciate the value of the traits and qualities that are ascribed to the female gender. Valuable tools if we can learn how to use them. When I see how Bush has embraced a macho stance against Iran and Syria by refusing dialog because he's deemed them evil..I cringe.. another example where we need a feminine touch. Nice post, moonbat. One suggestion after the fact..You should have mentioned,” bring it on”..What better way to illustrate the poverty of a high testosterone leader. We’re governed by a complete moron who doesn’t even acknowledge or appreciate the value of the traits and qualities that are ascribed to the female gender. Valuable tools if we can learn how to use them.
When I see how Bush has embraced a macho stance against Iran and Syria by refusing dialog because he’s deemed them evil..I cringe.. another example where we need a feminine touch.

]]> by: moonbat http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262360 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 05:47:09 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262360 Donna, thanks for your appreciation and personal story. It means a lot to me. erinyes, I'm a big fan of <a href="http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Arthur Silber</a> who was quoted extensively in your link. Bonnie, the proud radical feminist. I am proud of what you stand for and what you helped achieve. I just want to say that the phrase "radical feminist" nowadays means different things to different people, including, for some, some very misogynist, anti-male attitudes. And yes, sadly, I've known women who were so badly hurt by men that their notion of "radical feminism" has little room for men at all. Because my piece risked being dismissed as an anti-male rant (possibly issuing from an aforementioned misogynist radical feminist), I felt it wise/entertaining to insert this disclaimer, simply to get skeptical readers past this potential obstacle. Who better than a straight man to promote ideas about the ascent of feminine consciousness? I heard that the Bill Moyers show was going to be big, and yet because I don't have cable or TV I missed it. It's great that sanity is slowly filtering its way back onto mainstream TV. Agree with you about being treated in this country like children - this is classic authoritarianism. Beyond the situation specific to the USA, in so many ways, childhood for our race is over. Donna, thanks for your appreciation and personal story. It means a lot to me.

erinyes, I’m a big fan of Arthur Silber who was quoted extensively in your link.

Bonnie, the proud radical feminist. I am proud of what you stand for and what you helped achieve. I just want to say that the phrase “radical feminist” nowadays means different things to different people, including, for some, some very misogynist, anti-male attitudes. And yes, sadly, I’ve known women who were so badly hurt by men that their notion of “radical feminism” has little room for men at all. Because my piece risked being dismissed as an anti-male rant (possibly issuing from an aforementioned misogynist radical feminist), I felt it wise/entertaining to insert this disclaimer, simply to get skeptical readers past this potential obstacle. Who better than a straight man to promote ideas about the ascent of feminine consciousness?

I heard that the Bill Moyers show was going to be big, and yet because I don’t have cable or TV I missed it. It’s great that sanity is slowly filtering its way back onto mainstream TV.

Agree with you about being treated in this country like children - this is classic authoritarianism. Beyond the situation specific to the USA, in so many ways, childhood for our race is over.

]]> by: erinyes http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262275 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:25:07 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262275 http://www.lewrockwell.com/silber/silber11.html It is indeed up to us.......... http://www.lewrockwell.com/silber/silber11.html
It is indeed up to us……….

]]> by: Donna http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262273 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:20:17 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262273 Great post, moonbat and kudos to you, Bonnie, for the points you make. I have long believed that the elements of gender discrimination have harmed men perhaps as much as women, if not more so. Discrimination against women has been overt, which at least allows for straightforward corrections of instituting legal rights and protections, and job and wage opportunities, for example. But, the discrimination against men has been insidious and damaging in ways not so easy to correct because the very process of correction has to rely upon the tools traditionally allowed women but which were forbidden or made shameful in men, i.e., empathy, tender emotion, intuition, and so forth. I once became a 'first woman' in a traditional blue-collar man's field. For two years in my union local, there were 1,102 men and one woman, me. I knew after a few days [yes, I knew this intuitively] that my presence on those work sites was just as hard on the guys on those crews as it was on me. I am really glad that the old boundaries are being breached to allow women freedom to do all they can do, and allow men to tap into their inner sensitivities and flexibility. Great post, moonbat and kudos to you, Bonnie, for the points you make.
I have long believed that the elements of gender discrimination have harmed men perhaps as much as women, if not more so. Discrimination against women has been overt, which at least allows for straightforward corrections of instituting legal rights and protections, and job and wage opportunities, for example. But, the discrimination against men has been insidious and damaging in ways not so easy to correct because the very process of correction has to rely upon the tools traditionally allowed women but which were forbidden or made shameful in men, i.e., empathy, tender emotion, intuition, and so forth.
I once became a ‘first woman’ in a traditional blue-collar man’s field. For two years in my union local, there were 1,102 men and one woman, me. I knew after a few days [yes, I knew this intuitively] that my presence on those work sites was just as hard on the guys on those crews as it was on me.
I am really glad that the old boundaries are being breached to allow women freedom to do all they can do, and allow men to tap into their inner sensitivities and flexibility.

]]> by: erinyes http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262245 Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:42:29 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262245 Great Post Moonbat, and kudos to you Bonnie. I have arrived at the conclusion that our government is about punishment and not much more. The feds keep the roads and bridges up to snuff, keep a military ( way overblown), collect taxes, and keep the sheep (or cattle) in line,they try to scare the F*ck out of us when it seems to be the thing to do.. So Bonnie, our Federal government treats us far worse than children. We are treated like expendable draft animals. If anyone disagrees, please enlighten me................. Great Post Moonbat, and kudos to you Bonnie.
I have arrived at the conclusion that our government is about punishment and not much more. The feds keep the roads and bridges up to snuff, keep a military ( way overblown), collect taxes, and keep the sheep (or cattle) in line,they try to scare the F*ck out of us when it seems to be the thing to do..
So Bonnie, our Federal government treats us far worse than children.
We are treated like expendable draft animals. If anyone disagrees, please enlighten me……………..

]]> by: Bonnie http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262234 Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:55:54 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/07/14/the-curve-of-time/#comment-262234 Moonbat, This looks interesting; however, I am under pressure of some deadlines in getting ready for a business trip and just cannot spare the time. I do want to tell you, though, that I am a radical feminist and very proud of it. At 61, I am proud of the opportunities young women have because of my battles and feminist activities. It is now for the young women to do what they have to do to keep them. If they don't recognize that they can lose these opportunities in the blink of an eye, I feel sorry for them. What I think is more urgent right now is correcting the mistakes made when the 2000 election was stolen. Bill Moyers Journal had a very good discussion on impeachment. I highly recommend it. I think I just saw a video at Talking Points Memo and Truthout.org. Also, truthout has a transcript. Here is one of the most import comments from John Nichols: John Nichols: - back in 1974, after Nixon had resigned, and said, "We must continue the impeachment process." It's - it is under the Constitution certainly appropriate to do so. And we must continue it because we have to close the circle on presidential power. And the leaders in Congress, the Democratic leaders in Congress at the time said, "No, the - country has suffered too much." Well, this is the problem. Our leaders treat us as children. They think that we cannot handle a serious dialogue about the future of our republic, about what it will be and how it will operate. And so, you know, to an extent, we begin to act like children. We, you know, follow other interests. We decide to be entertained rather than to be citizens. Well, you know, and Bruce makes frequent references to the fall of the Roman Empire. You know, that's the point at where the fall comes. It doesn't come because of a bad leader. It doesn't come because of a dysfunctional Congress. It comes when the people accept that - role of the child or of the subject and are no longer citizens. And so I think this moment becomes so very, very important because we know the high crimes and misdemeanors. The people themselves have said, if the polls are correct, that, you know, something ought to be done. If nothing is done, if we do not step forward at this point, if we do not step up to this point, then we have, frankly, told the people, you know, you can even recognize that the king has no clothes, but we're not gonna put any clothes on him. And at that point, the country is in very, very dire circumstances. So, I want to challenge everyone here to stop letting this Administration and the Congress treat us like children. I am not a child. I want to see the elected leaders do WHAT IS THE BEST THING FOR OUR COUNTRY! I will vote ONLY for those who will act in the best interests of the country and the Constitution. Moonbat,
This looks interesting; however, I am under pressure of some deadlines in getting ready for a business trip and just cannot spare the time. I do want to tell you, though, that I am a radical feminist and very proud of it. At 61, I am proud of the opportunities young women have because of my battles and feminist activities. It is now for the young women to do what they have to do to keep them. If they don’t recognize that they can lose these opportunities in the blink of an eye, I feel sorry for them.

What I think is more urgent right now is correcting the mistakes made when the 2000 election was stolen. Bill Moyers Journal had a very good discussion on impeachment. I highly recommend it. I think I just saw a video at Talking Points Memo and Truthout.org. Also, truthout has a transcript. Here is one of the most import comments from John Nichols:

John Nichols: - back in 1974, after Nixon had resigned, and said, “We must continue the impeachment process.” It’s - it is under the Constitution certainly appropriate to do so. And we must continue it because we have to close the circle on presidential power. And the leaders in Congress, the Democratic leaders in Congress at the time said, “No, the - country has suffered too much.” Well, this is the problem. Our leaders treat us as children. They think that we cannot handle a serious dialogue about the future of our republic, about what it will be and how it will operate. And so, you know, to an extent, we begin to act like children. We, you know, follow other interests. We decide to be entertained rather than to be citizens.

Well, you know, and Bruce makes frequent references to the fall of the Roman Empire. You know, that’s the point at where the fall comes. It doesn’t come because of a bad leader. It doesn’t come because of a dysfunctional Congress. It comes when the people accept that - role of the child or of the subject and are no longer citizens. And so I think this moment becomes so very, very important because we know the high crimes and misdemeanors.

The people themselves have said, if the polls are correct, that, you know, something ought to be done. If nothing is done, if we do not step forward at this point, if we do not step up to this point, then we have, frankly, told the people, you know, you can even recognize that the king has no clothes, but we’re not gonna put any clothes on him. And at that point, the country is in very, very dire circumstances.

So, I want to challenge everyone here to stop letting this Administration and the Congress treat us like children. I am not a child. I want to see the elected leaders do WHAT IS THE BEST THING FOR OUR COUNTRY! I will vote ONLY for those who will act in the best interests of the country and the Constitution.

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