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		<title>By: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/07/full-circle/comment-page-1/#comment-270341</link>
		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ElKafir  -- So you&#039;re saying Pacepa was lying when he called himself an &quot;old KGB hand&quot;? Thanks for the info.

The man may have many admirable qualities, but what he said in that op ed is still un-American. 

And now that we&#039;re drawing attention from righties, I&#039;m going to close comments. I don&#039;t need the aggravation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ElKafir  &#8212; So you&#8217;re saying Pacepa was lying when he called himself an &#8220;old KGB hand&#8221;? Thanks for the info.</p>
<p>The man may have many admirable qualities, but what he said in that op ed is still un-American. </p>
<p>And now that we&#8217;re drawing attention from righties, I&#8217;m going to close comments. I don&#8217;t need the aggravation.</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/07/full-circle/comment-page-1/#comment-270340</link>
		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Do you not find anything authoritarian about the Nanny State? &lt;/i&gt;

OK, folks, we got a live one here. Brainwashed to the bone.

Son, what &quot;nanny state&quot;? If you are referring to a government that provides social services that We, the People, WANT it to provide, I see nothing authoritarian about that. This is what&#039;s called &quot;republican government.&quot; On the other hand, a government that refuses to provide even basic services that We, the People want and need because of a cadre of blinkered and corrupted ideologues THAT is, IMO, something like dictatorship.

&lt;i&gt;BUT we need also to consider what we don’t much pay attention to, don’t we? That seemed to be part of the leftist response to the Beauchamp kerfuffle.&lt;/i&gt;

If you had any clue &lt;a href=&quot;http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/016328.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;what was REALLY behind the &quot;Beauchamp kerfuffle (sic)&quot;&lt;/a&gt; I suspect you&#039;d be a tad more subdued about who is not paying attention to what. Also regarding the &quot;lies&quot; of Kerry -- holy crow, are you ever innocent. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.factcheck.org/article231.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The &quot;Swift Boat&quot; smear was one Big Lie&lt;/a&gt;, and you swallowed it, whole. I feel sorry for you. But you&#039;re the sort of person who&#039;s trying to turn the U.S. into a totalitarian state, not us &quot;lefties.&quot; 

&lt;i&gt;That is a matter we must commend to our judgments, which are constrained, in all instances, by our beliefs.&lt;/i&gt;

I prefer judgments that are constrained by reality and facts, thanks. Now take your propaganda and move along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Do you not find anything authoritarian about the Nanny State? </i></p>
<p>OK, folks, we got a live one here. Brainwashed to the bone.</p>
<p>Son, what &#8220;nanny state&#8221;? If you are referring to a government that provides social services that We, the People, WANT it to provide, I see nothing authoritarian about that. This is what&#8217;s called &#8220;republican government.&#8221; On the other hand, a government that refuses to provide even basic services that We, the People want and need because of a cadre of blinkered and corrupted ideologues THAT is, IMO, something like dictatorship.</p>
<p><i>BUT we need also to consider what we don’t much pay attention to, don’t we? That seemed to be part of the leftist response to the Beauchamp kerfuffle.</i></p>
<p>If you had any clue <a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/016328.php" rel="nofollow">what was REALLY behind the &#8220;Beauchamp kerfuffle (sic)&#8221;</a> I suspect you&#8217;d be a tad more subdued about who is not paying attention to what. Also regarding the &#8220;lies&#8221; of Kerry &#8212; holy crow, are you ever innocent. <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/article231.html" rel="nofollow">The &#8220;Swift Boat&#8221; smear was one Big Lie</a>, and you swallowed it, whole. I feel sorry for you. But you&#8217;re the sort of person who&#8217;s trying to turn the U.S. into a totalitarian state, not us &#8220;lefties.&#8221; </p>
<p><i>That is a matter we must commend to our judgments, which are constrained, in all instances, by our beliefs.</i></p>
<p>I prefer judgments that are constrained by reality and facts, thanks. Now take your propaganda and move along.</p>
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		<title>By: ElKafir</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/07/full-circle/comment-page-1/#comment-270339</link>
		<dc:creator>ElKafir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gen. Pacepa was NOT a KGB hand. He was the Director of Ceausescu&#039;s D.I.E. (Foreign Intelligence Directorate), the Romanian equivalent of CIA. 

He defected while accompanying Ceausescu in an official visit in West Germany and only hours later was transported to the US in absolute secrecy aboard a military plane. 
Once in the US Pacepa was debriefed by the CIA for quite some time. His ex-boss the romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu put him on trial and sentenced him to two death sentences - in absentia, of course. 
As a three-star general, Pacepa was the highest ranking intelligence officer EVER to defect to the West. The treasure trove of information he provided upon his arrival in the US helped President Reagan to understand the tactics and strategies of disinformation employed by the Soviets in the Cold War. Later on, Pacepa becomes one of the most trusted intelligence advisers to President Reagan, convincing the President to push forward arming America with new weapon systems, to challenge the Soviets and not to back up to their threats. 
The rest is history, and most Americans have no idea the debt of gratitude we owe to Mr. Pacepa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gen. Pacepa was NOT a KGB hand. He was the Director of Ceausescu&#8217;s D.I.E. (Foreign Intelligence Directorate), the Romanian equivalent of CIA. </p>
<p>He defected while accompanying Ceausescu in an official visit in West Germany and only hours later was transported to the US in absolute secrecy aboard a military plane.<br />
Once in the US Pacepa was debriefed by the CIA for quite some time. His ex-boss the romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu put him on trial and sentenced him to two death sentences &#8211; in absentia, of course.<br />
As a three-star general, Pacepa was the highest ranking intelligence officer EVER to defect to the West. The treasure trove of information he provided upon his arrival in the US helped President Reagan to understand the tactics and strategies of disinformation employed by the Soviets in the Cold War. Later on, Pacepa becomes one of the most trusted intelligence advisers to President Reagan, convincing the President to push forward arming America with new weapon systems, to challenge the Soviets and not to back up to their threats.<br />
The rest is history, and most Americans have no idea the debt of gratitude we owe to Mr. Pacepa.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/07/full-circle/comment-page-1/#comment-270338</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan-  You were disturbed by Kerry&#039;s &quot;whoppers.&quot;  How do you feel about Bush&#039;s whoppers, which could fill several books.  Two examples will suffice:  claiming that Saddam kicked out the weapons inspectors (he didn&#039;t) and, just recently, stating that Iran has publicly claimed that it wants to acquire nuclear weapons (it hasn&#039;t).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan-  You were disturbed by Kerry&#8217;s &#8220;whoppers.&#8221;  How do you feel about Bush&#8217;s whoppers, which could fill several books.  Two examples will suffice:  claiming that Saddam kicked out the weapons inspectors (he didn&#8217;t) and, just recently, stating that Iran has publicly claimed that it wants to acquire nuclear weapons (it hasn&#8217;t).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay.  America&#039;s military&#039;s commander in chief.  Feel better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay.  America&#8217;s military&#8217;s commander in chief.  Feel better?</p>
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		<title>By: We Are The 801</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/07/full-circle/comment-page-1/#comment-270329</link>
		<dc:creator>We Are The 801</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what get me: &quot;America’s commander in chief.&quot;  Uh, the President (ANY president) is not MY &quot;commander in chief&quot; -- that is a designation of a particular role the president (an ELECTED official) has in relation to the MILITARY, not the citizenry.  I am so sick of hearing Bush being called the &quot;commander in chief&quot; in relationship to US citizens.  He is NOT.  He is the &quot;commander in chief&quot; only to those who are currently serving in the military.  This is a blatant mis-representation of the president&#039;s role!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what get me: &#8220;America’s commander in chief.&#8221;  Uh, the President (ANY president) is not MY &#8220;commander in chief&#8221; &#8212; that is a designation of a particular role the president (an ELECTED official) has in relation to the MILITARY, not the citizenry.  I am so sick of hearing Bush being called the &#8220;commander in chief&#8221; in relationship to US citizens.  He is NOT.  He is the &#8220;commander in chief&#8221; only to those who are currently serving in the military.  This is a blatant mis-representation of the president&#8217;s role!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you not find anything authoritarian about the Nanny State?  I don&#039;t think at all that the one-third is not germane to the argument.  It is a symptom, like Beauchamp.  I am not at all saying that we shouldn&#039;t criticize Bush.  We should.  BUT we need also to consider what we don&#039;t much pay attention to, don&#039;t we?  That seemed to be part of the leftist response to the Beauchamp kerfuffle.

Kerry&#039;s told too many whoppers to warrant my respect.  Are you saying that there&#039;s such a thing as KDS?  I&#039;ll grant that.  We all have our confirmation biases.  Is Pacepa writing in good faith?  That is a matter we must commend to our judgments, which are constrained, in all instances, by our beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you not find anything authoritarian about the Nanny State?  I don&#8217;t think at all that the one-third is not germane to the argument.  It is a symptom, like Beauchamp.  I am not at all saying that we shouldn&#8217;t criticize Bush.  We should.  BUT we need also to consider what we don&#8217;t much pay attention to, don&#8217;t we?  That seemed to be part of the leftist response to the Beauchamp kerfuffle.</p>
<p>Kerry&#8217;s told too many whoppers to warrant my respect.  Are you saying that there&#8217;s such a thing as KDS?  I&#8217;ll grant that.  We all have our confirmation biases.  Is Pacepa writing in good faith?  That is a matter we must commend to our judgments, which are constrained, in all instances, by our beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
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		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan -- you&#039;re the one who is oversimplifying. Did you read any of those rightie posts? Terrifying stuff. They&#039;re still calling John Kerry a &lt;i&gt;traitor&lt;/i&gt;, based on their own fevered misreadings of history. They&#039;d lynch him if they thought they could get away with it.

The eagerness with which righties seek authoritarian government while screaming they are fighting for &quot;freedom&quot; never ceases to amaze me.

&lt;i&gt;I haven’t noticed any military trials for atrocities committed in Chechnia, for example; have you?&lt;/i&gt;

What does that have to do with the post? Are you saying we shouldn&#039;t criticize George Bush because at least he&#039;s not as bad a despot as Ramzan Kadyrov? I hold America to a higher standard than that.

&lt;i&gt;Is it valid also to be alarmed by the idea that one-third of American’s think it may have been an inside job? &lt;/i&gt;

That &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; disturbing, but also beside the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &#8212; you&#8217;re the one who is oversimplifying. Did you read any of those rightie posts? Terrifying stuff. They&#8217;re still calling John Kerry a <i>traitor</i>, based on their own fevered misreadings of history. They&#8217;d lynch him if they thought they could get away with it.</p>
<p>The eagerness with which righties seek authoritarian government while screaming they are fighting for &#8220;freedom&#8221; never ceases to amaze me.</p>
<p><i>I haven’t noticed any military trials for atrocities committed in Chechnia, for example; have you?</i></p>
<p>What does that have to do with the post? Are you saying we shouldn&#8217;t criticize George Bush because at least he&#8217;s not as bad a despot as Ramzan Kadyrov? I hold America to a higher standard than that.</p>
<p><i>Is it valid also to be alarmed by the idea that one-third of American’s think it may have been an inside job? </i></p>
<p>That <i>is</i> disturbing, but also beside the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that you&#039;re oversimplifying.  His point is that people are more likely to believe in smut than holiness, and that people have been trained to enjoy consuming smut about the US by people who oppose the US.  I haven&#039;t noticed any military trials for atrocities committed in Chechnia, for example; have you?  There was a lot of media attention focused on citizens thinking that Saddam was behind 9/11 somehow.  Is it valid also to be alarmed by the idea that one-third of American&#039;s think it may have been an inside job?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that you&#8217;re oversimplifying.  His point is that people are more likely to believe in smut than holiness, and that people have been trained to enjoy consuming smut about the US by people who oppose the US.  I haven&#8217;t noticed any military trials for atrocities committed in Chechnia, for example; have you?  There was a lot of media attention focused on citizens thinking that Saddam was behind 9/11 somehow.  Is it valid also to be alarmed by the idea that one-third of American&#8217;s think it may have been an inside job?</p>
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		<title>By: marijam</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/07/full-circle/comment-page-1/#comment-270313</link>
		<dc:creator>marijam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where were articles, and sentiments such as this, when Clinton was President?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where were articles, and sentiments such as this, when Clinton was President?</p>
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