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	<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/</link>
	<description>Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration.</description>
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		<title>by: The Mahablog &#187; The Stranger</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-277675</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Andrews&amp;#8217;s article also reveals &amp;#8212; once again &amp;#8212; that there are no clear lines of communication or decision making within the Bush Administration. Everyone is starring in his or her own drama; interaction with Reality World seems to happen by default.  Christy&amp;#8217;s commentary on this bit of news takes us back to the Glenn Greenwald post I linked to yesterday.  As Altemeyer acknowledges, everyone of every type is prone to contradictory and self-interested reasoning. But, as his research demonstrates, those whose primary allegiance is to authority figures and whose identity is centrally grounded in their authority-based political movement have, as their overarching goal, a defense of their movement and attacks on the enemy. Holding blatantly contradictory thoughts at the same time, like the ones expressed here by Sowell, become normalized &amp;#8212; mere tools for achieving the only goal that matters. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] Andrews&#8217;s article also reveals &#8212; once again &#8212; that there are no clear lines of communication or decision making within the Bush Administration. Everyone is starring in his or her own drama; interaction with Reality World seems to happen by default.  Christy&#8217;s commentary on this bit of news takes us back to the Glenn Greenwald post I linked to yesterday.  As Altemeyer acknowledges, everyone of every type is prone to contradictory and self-interested reasoning. But, as his research demonstrates, those whose primary allegiance is to authority figures and whose identity is centrally grounded in their authority-based political movement have, as their overarching goal, a defense of their movement and attacks on the enemy. Holding blatantly contradictory thoughts at the same time, like the ones expressed here by Sowell, become normalized &#8212; mere tools for achieving the only goal that matters. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: LongHairedWeirdo</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-277071</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-277071</guid>
					<description>Kevin:
&lt;blockquote&gt;We can only guess of course, but I think there’s multiple factors at work that cause the failures. It’s a common mistake for governments to fight the last war in the current war. We took Iraq in Gulf War I with massive overkill, for example, so Rummy tried to lowball his way through this one, though the generals protested.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's not exactly what happened. The issue  in the current war is that we knew we could fight the &quot;overthrow Saddam&quot; part trivially easily, and we did have enough force to do that. We destroyed the ability of the entity known as Iraq to make war upon us, and destroyed the government headed by Saddam. 

But that type of war making is very different from a military mission to provide security, and that's what the Bushies fouled up. You can have the military might to level an entire city block, but if you do that, the family and friends of everyone who used to live there will be angry with you, and much more willing to fight you or shelter those who do. You have to be constrained in your use of force, and that's why you need a lot more boots on the ground... a soldier hauling away a single insurgent is much better than a bombing run. 

They didn't lowball the forces needed for military victory; they lowballed the security needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Kevin:</p>
	<blockquote><p>We can only guess of course, but I think there’s multiple factors at work that cause the failures. It’s a common mistake for governments to fight the last war in the current war. We took Iraq in Gulf War I with massive overkill, for example, so Rummy tried to lowball his way through this one, though the generals protested.</p></blockquote>
	<p>That&#8217;s not exactly what happened. The issue  in the current war is that we knew we could fight the &#8220;overthrow Saddam&#8221; part trivially easily, and we did have enough force to do that. We destroyed the ability of the entity known as Iraq to make war upon us, and destroyed the government headed by Saddam. </p>
	<p>But that type of war making is very different from a military mission to provide security, and that&#8217;s what the Bushies fouled up. You can have the military might to level an entire city block, but if you do that, the family and friends of everyone who used to live there will be angry with you, and much more willing to fight you or shelter those who do. You have to be constrained in your use of force, and that&#8217;s why you need a lot more boots on the ground&#8230; a soldier hauling away a single insurgent is much better than a bombing run. </p>
	<p>They didn&#8217;t lowball the forces needed for military victory; they lowballed the security needs.
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		<title>by: Altoid</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276944</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 05:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276944</guid>
					<description>They may or may not know what they're doing, but for damn sure they know what matters to them. 

And what matters to them is not the lives of ordinary people, nor is it ordinary political calculation of the kind most media types are addicted to and that Dems can't seem to lift themselves out of. 

I think the tenor of what you've been saying here can be distilled to a very basic observation-- for these people, government exists as a tool to funnel (sluice, really) money *from* those who can't avoid paying *to* those with the right connections. And almost nothing more. 

They don't particularly care whether the money that comes from the chumps is tax money or money that the legal regime requires them to pay (those are called &quot;franchises&quot; in business jargon and are remarkably like the East India Company's special subsidies in 1774). They just want the money. It's a way to deny self-direction to everybody else. 

They're willing to spout any amount and kind of pious nonsense that most don't even pretend to believe. They're sure they control everyone else's perception of reality-- after all, they include some of the heaviest hitters in the PR game and bring those skills to the task. 

It's simply not possible for normal people to be cynical enough about what these people do. 

Some of them appear to be actually cynical. Some, and particularly bush, have never thought about any disjunction between what they say and what they do. He, though, seems to be the Chauncey Gardiner of our age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>They may or may not know what they&#8217;re doing, but for damn sure they know what matters to them. </p>
	<p>And what matters to them is not the lives of ordinary people, nor is it ordinary political calculation of the kind most media types are addicted to and that Dems can&#8217;t seem to lift themselves out of. </p>
	<p>I think the tenor of what you&#8217;ve been saying here can be distilled to a very basic observation&#8211; for these people, government exists as a tool to funnel (sluice, really) money *from* those who can&#8217;t avoid paying *to* those with the right connections. And almost nothing more. </p>
	<p>They don&#8217;t particularly care whether the money that comes from the chumps is tax money or money that the legal regime requires them to pay (those are called &#8220;franchises&#8221; in business jargon and are remarkably like the East India Company&#8217;s special subsidies in 1774). They just want the money. It&#8217;s a way to deny self-direction to everybody else. </p>
	<p>They&#8217;re willing to spout any amount and kind of pious nonsense that most don&#8217;t even pretend to believe. They&#8217;re sure they control everyone else&#8217;s perception of reality&#8211; after all, they include some of the heaviest hitters in the PR game and bring those skills to the task. </p>
	<p>It&#8217;s simply not possible for normal people to be cynical enough about what these people do. </p>
	<p>Some of them appear to be actually cynical. Some, and particularly bush, have never thought about any disjunction between what they say and what they do. He, though, seems to be the Chauncey Gardiner of our age.
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		<title>by: Sachem</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276642</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276642</guid>
					<description>Every miserable policy and mistake to date is mere prelude to the legacy of this administration.  I wish Alter were right that this administration is &quot;basically over&quot;, but the ramifications of the IRAN debacle will be what this administration is remembered for.  

Messianic idiots make me crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Every miserable policy and mistake to date is mere prelude to the legacy of this administration.  I wish Alter were right that this administration is &#8220;basically over&#8221;, but the ramifications of the IRAN debacle will be what this administration is remembered for.  </p>
	<p>Messianic idiots make me crazy.
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		<title>by: Kevin Hayden</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276551</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276551</guid>
					<description>We can only guess of course, but I think there's multiple factors at work that cause the failures. It's a common mistake for governments to fight the last war in the current war. We took Iraq in Gulf War I with massive overkill, for example, so Rummy tried to lowball his way through this one, though the generals protested.

A lot of the rest appears to be delegating away duties, outsourcing and privatizing government. Much of that is patronage with too little oversight.

The things you describe as part of the plan has been pandering to their cultural base.

The only overriding ideology they've foisted on anything with a focused intent has been expanding the power of the executive in every way possible so nobody anywhere can tell them 'no'.

Taken together, it's a commitment to a management style ahead of measurable results. Government by untested theory and a hands off style has proven as dysfunctional as it gets.

But if their financial patrons are satisfied, they feel they're succeeding. Until the peasantry starts lighting torches, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>We can only guess of course, but I think there&#8217;s multiple factors at work that cause the failures. It&#8217;s a common mistake for governments to fight the last war in the current war. We took Iraq in Gulf War I with massive overkill, for example, so Rummy tried to lowball his way through this one, though the generals protested.</p>
	<p>A lot of the rest appears to be delegating away duties, outsourcing and privatizing government. Much of that is patronage with too little oversight.</p>
	<p>The things you describe as part of the plan has been pandering to their cultural base.</p>
	<p>The only overriding ideology they&#8217;ve foisted on anything with a focused intent has been expanding the power of the executive in every way possible so nobody anywhere can tell them &#8216;no&#8217;.</p>
	<p>Taken together, it&#8217;s a commitment to a management style ahead of measurable results. Government by untested theory and a hands off style has proven as dysfunctional as it gets.</p>
	<p>But if their financial patrons are satisfied, they feel they&#8217;re succeeding. Until the peasantry starts lighting torches, that is.
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		<title>by: myiq2xu</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276508</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276508</guid>
					<description>Just another thought to add:  If the Busheviks really knew what they were doing, why would they do nothing for so long after Katrina hit NOLA?

They have used the disaster for nefarious purposes, but they could have done the same things while giving the appearance of trying to help.  Bush could have showed up days earlier, they could have evacuated the (mostly black) residents to other areas sooner, and lined the pockets of their cronies, etc., while appearing to look competent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just another thought to add:  If the Busheviks really knew what they were doing, why would they do nothing for so long after Katrina hit NOLA?</p>
	<p>They have used the disaster for nefarious purposes, but they could have done the same things while giving the appearance of trying to help.  Bush could have showed up days earlier, they could have evacuated the (mostly black) residents to other areas sooner, and lined the pockets of their cronies, etc., while appearing to look competent.
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		<title>by: myiq2xu</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276500</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276500</guid>
					<description>The argument that the Busheviks know what they are doing and everything they did was part of a plan assumes that they are competent, and there is simply no evidence of that.

If they were so diabolically clever, they wouldn't have made themselves look so bad.  They would have engineered it so that Democrats looked like they were at fault or they would have set up other patsies to take the blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The argument that the Busheviks know what they are doing and everything they did was part of a plan assumes that they are competent, and there is simply no evidence of that.</p>
	<p>If they were so diabolically clever, they wouldn&#8217;t have made themselves look so bad.  They would have engineered it so that Democrats looked like they were at fault or they would have set up other patsies to take the blame.
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		<title>by: khughes1963</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276439</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276439</guid>
					<description>Maha-I think you nailed it-we are headed to Encomienda Nation. We are already living through the Second Gilded Age, which might have fairly said to have begun with the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980. Unlike a lot of people in my age bracket, I was under no illusions about St. Ronald of Reagan, and I have always voted for the Democratic presidential candidate since I was first able to vote in a Presidential election in 1984. Unfortunately, much of what I'd anticipated twenty years ago has come to pass, some things fortunately did not (we didn't get involved in a shooting war in Central America,)  and other things that I didn't anticipate happening occurred (for example, the collapse of the Soviet Union and its satellite governments in Eastern Europe.) 

To your comments, I would also add that Glenn Greenwald has accurately nailed Bush's black and white world view, where Bush believes that lack of endorsement constitutes enemy status (remember if you aren't with us, you're against us in the War on Terror,) and Bush never, ever admits that he or any of the decisions he's made are wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maha-I think you nailed it-we are headed to Encomienda Nation. We are already living through the Second Gilded Age, which might have fairly said to have begun with the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980. Unlike a lot of people in my age bracket, I was under no illusions about St. Ronald of Reagan, and I have always voted for the Democratic presidential candidate since I was first able to vote in a Presidential election in 1984. Unfortunately, much of what I&#8217;d anticipated twenty years ago has come to pass, some things fortunately did not (we didn&#8217;t get involved in a shooting war in Central America,)  and other things that I didn&#8217;t anticipate happening occurred (for example, the collapse of the Soviet Union and its satellite governments in Eastern Europe.) </p>
	<p>To your comments, I would also add that Glenn Greenwald has accurately nailed Bush&#8217;s black and white world view, where Bush believes that lack of endorsement constitutes enemy status (remember if you aren&#8217;t with us, you&#8217;re against us in the War on Terror,) and Bush never, ever admits that he or any of the decisions he&#8217;s made are wrong.
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		<title>by: MarktheSpark</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276436</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276436</guid>
					<description>Interesting post. I haven't checked out this website in some time, but may be more in the future

One problem of fact in an otherwise accurate assessment. Their reign of tError is far from over. Chimpy's addicted to power and won't accept lame duck status. Expect an attack on Iran to liven things up and further spread their clusterf*ck in the Middle East. And expect the Demos to go along for this part of the game plan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Interesting post. I haven&#8217;t checked out this website in some time, but may be more in the future</p>
	<p>One problem of fact in an otherwise accurate assessment. Their reign of tError is far from over. Chimpy&#8217;s addicted to power and won&#8217;t accept lame duck status. Expect an attack on Iran to liven things up and further spread their clusterf*ck in the Middle East. And expect the Demos to go along for this part of the game plan
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		<title>by: czrpb</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276414</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/08/30/knowing-not-what-they-do/#comment-276414</guid>
					<description>I am going to have to go with: Their public statements are not their objectives and they are indifferent to the human consequences of their actions.

Plus I agree with &lt;a href=&quot;http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2007/08/blinded-by-story-liberals-and.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Authur&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am going to have to go with: Their public statements are not their objectives and they are indifferent to the human consequences of their actions.</p>
	<p>Plus I agree with <a href="http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2007/08/blinded-by-story-liberals-and.html" rel="nofollow">Authur</a>.
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