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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/09/10/kicking-the-can/comment-page-1/#comment-279561</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rd240, why on earth would anyone assume that Patreus is a &quot;man of integrity who is going to say what he truly believes, right or wrong&quot;?  Do you or your father somehow find it physically impossible for a general to be a weaseling politician?  If so you don&#039;t have very much experience with the politics of high command...  

My brother is an army officer that is an absolute credit to the uniform, really lives the values that officers are supposed to live, and he will probably never make General.  He&#039;s stood by his men too often, passed up to many opportunities to kiss political ass in order to get the job done.  In short, because he DOES have honor, loyalty, dedication ... he&#039;s not enough of a politician to make it beyond bird colonel.

And if you recognize that it&#039;s possible for some Generals to be just as bad as the worst politician born ... how on earth could you expect W *not* to FIND that guy that&#039;ll do whatever he&#039;s told, and install him in Patreus&#039;s job?  After all he&#039;s done, don&#039;t you recognize how utterly out of character it would be for bush to appoint somebody in that slot that would be competent, independant, and uncorruptable?

-me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rd240, why on earth would anyone assume that Patreus is a &#8220;man of integrity who is going to say what he truly believes, right or wrong&#8221;?  Do you or your father somehow find it physically impossible for a general to be a weaseling politician?  If so you don&#8217;t have very much experience with the politics of high command&#8230;  </p>
<p>My brother is an army officer that is an absolute credit to the uniform, really lives the values that officers are supposed to live, and he will probably never make General.  He&#8217;s stood by his men too often, passed up to many opportunities to kiss political ass in order to get the job done.  In short, because he DOES have honor, loyalty, dedication &#8230; he&#8217;s not enough of a politician to make it beyond bird colonel.</p>
<p>And if you recognize that it&#8217;s possible for some Generals to be just as bad as the worst politician born &#8230; how on earth could you expect W *not* to FIND that guy that&#8217;ll do whatever he&#8217;s told, and install him in Patreus&#8217;s job?  After all he&#8217;s done, don&#8217;t you recognize how utterly out of character it would be for bush to appoint somebody in that slot that would be competent, independant, and uncorruptable?</p>
<p>-me</p>
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		<title>By: Swami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So why are we focusing on the success or non-success of our military operations in Iraq? &lt;/i&gt;

Because Bush structured his dodge to focus on Petraeus..Petraeus wrote the book on counter-insurgencies, so who better can understand the insurgency in Iraq than Petraeus?
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For some reason I&#039;m reminded of something I read on a bar napkin years ago that might apply to Bush.

You have only two thing to worry about.
Whether you live or whether you die.
If you live, you have nothing to worry about.
And if you die, you only have two things to worry about.
Whether you&#039;re going to heaven or whether you&#039;re going to hell. If you go to heaven, you have nothing to worry about.
And if you go to hell..you&#039;ll be so busy saying hello to all your friends..you won&#039;t have time to worry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So why are we focusing on the success or non-success of our military operations in Iraq? </i></p>
<p>Because Bush structured his dodge to focus on Petraeus..Petraeus wrote the book on counter-insurgencies, so who better can understand the insurgency in Iraq than Petraeus?<br />
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For some reason I&#8217;m reminded of something I read on a bar napkin years ago that might apply to Bush.</p>
<p>You have only two thing to worry about.<br />
Whether you live or whether you die.<br />
If you live, you have nothing to worry about.<br />
And if you die, you only have two things to worry about.<br />
Whether you&#8217;re going to heaven or whether you&#8217;re going to hell. If you go to heaven, you have nothing to worry about.<br />
And if you go to hell..you&#8217;ll be so busy saying hello to all your friends..you won&#8217;t have time to worry</p>
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		<title>By: felicity</title>
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		<dc:creator>felicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t sit through the Patraeus/Crocker outing yesterday so my question may not apply.   Hasn&#039;t everybody been saying, including most military types, that the solution to the Iraqi &#039;problem&#039; is an Iraqi  political settlement?  So why are we focusing on the success or non-success of our military operations in Iraq?  

Wasn&#039;t the point of the &#039;surge&#039; - a 15 month-long surge is hardly a surge - to create a safety zone around the Iraqi &#039;government&#039;, which apparently has happened, so it could begin governing?  It hasn&#039;t so shouldn&#039;t the lame-brains in charge be planning and talking about a different tactic?  The faux-government doesn&#039;t need a safety zone, its individual ministers etal need the huge profits they&#039;re making off the status quo cut off yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t sit through the Patraeus/Crocker outing yesterday so my question may not apply.   Hasn&#8217;t everybody been saying, including most military types, that the solution to the Iraqi &#8216;problem&#8217; is an Iraqi  political settlement?  So why are we focusing on the success or non-success of our military operations in Iraq?  </p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t the point of the &#8217;surge&#8217; &#8211; a 15 month-long surge is hardly a surge &#8211; to create a safety zone around the Iraqi &#8216;government&#8217;, which apparently has happened, so it could begin governing?  It hasn&#8217;t so shouldn&#8217;t the lame-brains in charge be planning and talking about a different tactic?  The faux-government doesn&#8217;t need a safety zone, its individual ministers etal need the huge profits they&#8217;re making off the status quo cut off yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: r4d20</title>
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		<dc:creator>r4d20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the ad was indeed in poor taste and, although I&#039;m no mind reader, was negatively received by most americans.  

  My father, a former Coast Guard officer who does NOT support the Iraq war,  reacted like &quot;He took the same oath that I did and it really pisses me off to see these guys call him a traitor&quot;.   He &lt;i&gt;disagrees&lt;/i&gt; with Patreus but he believes the general to be a man of integrity who is going to say what he truely believes, right or wrong, and finds the notion of calling him &quot;Betray us&quot; or that he is just a &quot;tool of the Bush administration&quot; to be an unwarranted smear.

 Its an emotional reaction at heart, but I think its the reaction that will be common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the ad was indeed in poor taste and, although I&#8217;m no mind reader, was negatively received by most americans.  </p>
<p>  My father, a former Coast Guard officer who does NOT support the Iraq war,  reacted like &#8220;He took the same oath that I did and it really pisses me off to see these guys call him a traitor&#8221;.   He <i>disagrees</i> with Patreus but he believes the general to be a man of integrity who is going to say what he truely believes, right or wrong, and finds the notion of calling him &#8220;Betray us&#8221; or that he is just a &#8220;tool of the Bush administration&#8221; to be an unwarranted smear.</p>
<p> Its an emotional reaction at heart, but I think its the reaction that will be common.</p>
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		<title>By: Madison Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madison Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Petraeus is just another footnote in the Forever War that started six years ago: &lt;a href=&quot;http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2007/09/beauty-unfathomable-loss-and-beginning.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Beauty, unfathomable loss and the beginning of the Forever War.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Petraeus is just another footnote in the Forever War that started six years ago: <a href="http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2007/09/beauty-unfathomable-loss-and-beginning.html" rel="nofollow">Beauty, unfathomable loss and the beginning of the Forever War.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do the rightie bloggers even know why they find the ad offensive anymore? THIS is what makes Dem popularity nose-dive? A bad pun on Petraeus&#039;s name?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do the rightie bloggers even know why they find the ad offensive anymore? THIS is what makes Dem popularity nose-dive? A bad pun on Petraeus&#8217;s name?</p>
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		<title>By: sniflheim</title>
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		<dc:creator>sniflheim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re like a football coach who&#039;s been so successful to date he can&#039;t stop running the same old plays. Well the analogy breaks down because the (allegedly) opposing team isn&#039;t stopping them, I admit. But still, this is just good enough to keep them losing. Not wiped out but still losing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re like a football coach who&#8217;s been so successful to date he can&#8217;t stop running the same old plays. Well the analogy breaks down because the (allegedly) opposing team isn&#8217;t stopping them, I admit. But still, this is just good enough to keep them losing. Not wiped out but still losing.</p>
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		<title>By: Swami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Move-on is the only one who&#039;s got the balls to touch the sacred cow. Bush has been holding America hostage with his precious troops and it&#039;s good to see that somebody can take a swipe at Bush&#039;s sacrosanct shield. I applaud Move-on&#039;s courage and wisdom in placing the ad in the fashion they did.

And ole &quot;we weep and we mourn&quot; Bush has as much love and respect for our troops as Joe Stalin had for his troops. Bush is not capable of sincerity. Remember his correspondents dinner routine...&quot;They&#039;re not under here!&quot; Ha  ha ha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Move-on is the only one who&#8217;s got the balls to touch the sacred cow. Bush has been holding America hostage with his precious troops and it&#8217;s good to see that somebody can take a swipe at Bush&#8217;s sacrosanct shield. I applaud Move-on&#8217;s courage and wisdom in placing the ad in the fashion they did.</p>
<p>And ole &#8220;we weep and we mourn&#8221; Bush has as much love and respect for our troops as Joe Stalin had for his troops. Bush is not capable of sincerity. Remember his correspondents dinner routine&#8230;&#8221;They&#8217;re not under here!&#8221; Ha  ha ha.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the exception of seeing the ad on the internet, I haven&#039;t seen the ad any where else.  I wonder where it is playing.  It&#039;s hard to get outraged at something, so far, unseen.  I don&#039;t remember Republicans taking down ads that offended those of us on the left.  But, what I do remember is that several of the really nasty ads did help Democrats get elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the exception of seeing the ad on the internet, I haven&#8217;t seen the ad any where else.  I wonder where it is playing.  It&#8217;s hard to get outraged at something, so far, unseen.  I don&#8217;t remember Republicans taking down ads that offended those of us on the left.  But, what I do remember is that several of the really nasty ads did help Democrats get elected.</p>
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