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		<title>By: MNPundit</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/17/dalai-lama-derangement-syndrome/comment-page-1/#comment-330155</link>
		<dc:creator>MNPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother is a hard core Christian (she&#039;s also a democrat, she&#039;d cut off her hand before going for the GOP) who opposes gay marriage but not workplace anti-discrimination of homosexuals, and who agrees with the righties on Schiavo though not on abortion.

On the issue of Christmas, she refuses to have any holiday displays in her office. When asked why she says that if she allowed say a Christmas tree or nativity (she collects them) set, then she&#039;d have to allow things from other religions as well and she doesn&#039;t want to do that, so no decorations at all. 

Also, discussing Buddhism is always interesting... Buddha as a piece of dog shit and all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother is a hard core Christian (she&#8217;s also a democrat, she&#8217;d cut off her hand before going for the GOP) who opposes gay marriage but not workplace anti-discrimination of homosexuals, and who agrees with the righties on Schiavo though not on abortion.</p>
<p>On the issue of Christmas, she refuses to have any holiday displays in her office. When asked why she says that if she allowed say a Christmas tree or nativity (she collects them) set, then she&#8217;d have to allow things from other religions as well and she doesn&#8217;t want to do that, so no decorations at all. </p>
<p>Also, discussing Buddhism is always interesting&#8230; Buddha as a piece of dog shit and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: Propaganda Commentist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Propaganda Commentist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very true Brion, and the Taliban also displayed impermanence by their own brief rise and fall. Do they not have teachings of their own?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true Brion, and the Taliban also displayed impermanence by their own brief rise and fall. Do they not have teachings of their own?!?</p>
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		<title>By: Brion Emde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brion Emde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ironic thing, to me, about the destruction of the Afghanistan buddha statues is that it left behind big holes, also a symbol of buddha. What could they do then? Make bigger holes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ironic thing, to me, about the destruction of the Afghanistan buddha statues is that it left behind big holes, also a symbol of buddha. What could they do then? Make bigger holes?</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/17/dalai-lama-derangement-syndrome/comment-page-1/#comment-329876</link>
		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment #7 -- Tibet was indeed a backward and feudal country before the Chinese invaded. So the Tibetans who were bound into serfdom are now slave laborers for the Chinese. I fail to see the improvement. 

The number of Tibetans who died as a direct result of the Chinese invasion and occupation is disputed; the Tibetans say 1.2 million. I found a Chinese source that claims it was merely 60,000. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/12/20/china14903.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Human Rights Watch&lt;/a&gt; says some Chinese policies are impoverishing Tibetans and costing them their homes and livelihoods. Forced evictions and house demolitions are not uncommon. Tibetans are being jailed and tortured for political reasons. I&#039;ve seen many claims that Buddhist Tibet was just as bad regarding torture, but when you wade into these claims you generally find stories of barbaric things that were done centuries ago. 

Both the 13th and 14th Dalai Lamas were keen on modernization and reform, but my understanding is that they faced strong opposition on that score from nobility and landowners, so there was little they could do. Assistance and investment by western democracies could have modernized and liberalized Tibet without brutality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment #7 &#8212; Tibet was indeed a backward and feudal country before the Chinese invaded. So the Tibetans who were bound into serfdom are now slave laborers for the Chinese. I fail to see the improvement. </p>
<p>The number of Tibetans who died as a direct result of the Chinese invasion and occupation is disputed; the Tibetans say 1.2 million. I found a Chinese source that claims it was merely 60,000. </p>
<p><a href="http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/12/20/china14903.htm" rel="nofollow">Human Rights Watch</a> says some Chinese policies are impoverishing Tibetans and costing them their homes and livelihoods. Forced evictions and house demolitions are not uncommon. Tibetans are being jailed and tortured for political reasons. I&#8217;ve seen many claims that Buddhist Tibet was just as bad regarding torture, but when you wade into these claims you generally find stories of barbaric things that were done centuries ago. </p>
<p>Both the 13th and 14th Dalai Lamas were keen on modernization and reform, but my understanding is that they faced strong opposition on that score from nobility and landowners, so there was little they could do. Assistance and investment by western democracies could have modernized and liberalized Tibet without brutality.</p>
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		<title>By: zencomix</title>
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		<dc:creator>zencomix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear that you have to wait in line for 49 days for the Chinese  Bureaucrat in the Bardo to give you the form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear that you have to wait in line for 49 days for the Chinese  Bureaucrat in the Bardo to give you the form.</p>
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		<title>By: joanr16</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanr16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seele, you are unbelievably ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seele, you are unbelievably ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: Seele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush embraces unemployed man at whitehouse?   Don&#039;t buy the Dali Lama&#039;s BS.  Next thing you people will celebrate is George Bush embracing other religious nuts like Tom Cruise as the reincarnation of L.Ron Hubbard.

Good thing the Chinese Government freed the enslaved peasants of Tibet, who lived in a caste system for centuries.  Communism in China isn&#039;t Shangri-La, but it is better then the Feudal system Tibet had where two thirds of the population were enslaved by the one third of the elite monk ruling class.

Ok, I am tough on old Dali but thats what the bush supporter gets for holding hands with the butcher of Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush embraces unemployed man at whitehouse?   Don&#8217;t buy the Dali Lama&#8217;s BS.  Next thing you people will celebrate is George Bush embracing other religious nuts like Tom Cruise as the reincarnation of L.Ron Hubbard.</p>
<p>Good thing the Chinese Government freed the enslaved peasants of Tibet, who lived in a caste system for centuries.  Communism in China isn&#8217;t Shangri-La, but it is better then the Feudal system Tibet had where two thirds of the population were enslaved by the one third of the elite monk ruling class.</p>
<p>Ok, I am tough on old Dali but thats what the bush supporter gets for holding hands with the butcher of Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
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		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So to suggest that Buddhism doesn’t speak of divinity is absurd, unless you’re referring to the Sri Lankan/mainlaind Southeast Asian varieties. As far as I know.&lt;/i&gt;

It seems absurd unless you have perceived &lt;i&gt;shunyata&lt;/i&gt;, which is the foundation of Mahayana and Vajrayana. (As a Zennie myself, I don&#039;t think there is a substantial distinction between Maha and Vajra. It&#039;s more a difference of style and form than anything else.) If your understanding of reality is rooted in shunyata, then divinity &lt;i&gt;as westerners understand the word&lt;/i&gt; is impossible. 

I used to think the Tibetans were more deity oriented until I understood many sects place the same emphasis on the Heart Sutra that Zennies do. That put a whole new spin on it. And Tantra Yoga is practiced in Zen also, although generally it&#039;s held in reserve for more advanced students and not introduced to beginners. 

On the other hand, in Asia there&#039;s often an attitude that laypeople aren&#039;t going to &quot;get it,&quot; so they get the kindergarten version of the dharma, which is purely devotional. “Bodhisattva X is great because only 10,000 mantras in his/her name saves” is a good example. I understand that this is common all over Asia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So to suggest that Buddhism doesn’t speak of divinity is absurd, unless you’re referring to the Sri Lankan/mainlaind Southeast Asian varieties. As far as I know.</i></p>
<p>It seems absurd unless you have perceived <i>shunyata</i>, which is the foundation of Mahayana and Vajrayana. (As a Zennie myself, I don&#8217;t think there is a substantial distinction between Maha and Vajra. It&#8217;s more a difference of style and form than anything else.) If your understanding of reality is rooted in shunyata, then divinity <i>as westerners understand the word</i> is impossible. </p>
<p>I used to think the Tibetans were more deity oriented until I understood many sects place the same emphasis on the Heart Sutra that Zennies do. That put a whole new spin on it. And Tantra Yoga is practiced in Zen also, although generally it&#8217;s held in reserve for more advanced students and not introduced to beginners. </p>
<p>On the other hand, in Asia there&#8217;s often an attitude that laypeople aren&#8217;t going to &#8220;get it,&#8221; so they get the kindergarten version of the dharma, which is purely devotional. “Bodhisattva X is great because only 10,000 mantras in his/her name saves” is a good example. I understand that this is common all over Asia.</p>
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		<title>By: Poerva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poerva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vajrayana Buddhism as seen in Tibet is in fact often explicitly soteriological; you read statements all over the place like &quot;Bodhisattva X is great because only 10,000 mantras in his/her name saves.&quot; So to suggest that Buddhism doesn&#039;t speak of divinity is absurd, unless you&#039;re referring to the Sri Lankan/mainlaind Southeast Asian varieties. As far as I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vajrayana Buddhism as seen in Tibet is in fact often explicitly soteriological; you read statements all over the place like &#8220;Bodhisattva X is great because only 10,000 mantras in his/her name saves.&#8221; So to suggest that Buddhism doesn&#8217;t speak of divinity is absurd, unless you&#8217;re referring to the Sri Lankan/mainlaind Southeast Asian varieties. As far as I know.</p>
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		<title>By: feckless</title>
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		<dc:creator>feckless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the Chinese spokesman&#039;s &quot;Furious Outrage&quot;.

How many american kids has his country killed with fake protein and poison toys?

How many Chinese has HHDL killed?

George Sr. did this to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the Chinese spokesman&#8217;s &#8220;Furious Outrage&#8221;.</p>
<p>How many american kids has his country killed with fake protein and poison toys?</p>
<p>How many Chinese has HHDL killed?</p>
<p>George Sr. did this to us.</p>
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