Comments on: Would You Pay $1 to Get $30? http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/ Making the World Safe for Liberalism Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:39:35 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The Mahablog » Our Cold Civil War http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/comment-page-1/#comment-361253 The Mahablog » Our Cold Civil War Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:36:25 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/#comment-361253 [...] I don’t agree with everything she says - she doesn’t get why we’re still in Iraq (here’s a clue), but she expresses ideas both new to me and also ones I’ve long held but don’t often see in print. Examples: [...] [...] I don’t agree with everything she says – she doesn’t get why we’re still in Iraq (here’s a clue), but she expresses ideas both new to me and also ones I’ve long held but don’t often see in print. Examples: [...]

]]> By: All Spin Zone » Opening The Files: 10/26/07 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/comment-page-1/#comment-353831 All Spin Zone » Opening The Files: 10/26/07 Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:35:28 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/#comment-353831 [...] The estimated costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have now been pegged at over two trillion dollars. That’s trillion with a T. But the Bushies aren’t worried about the numbers. Perhaps they’re more interested in the dividends. [...] [...] The estimated costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have now been pegged at over two trillion dollars. That’s trillion with a T. But the Bushies aren’t worried about the numbers. Perhaps they’re more interested in the dividends. [...]

]]> By: MNPundit http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/comment-page-1/#comment-348196 MNPundit Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:49:16 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/#comment-348196 I wrote this in my post but deleted it. "If we had someone like Augustus who clearly knew what he was doing and actually brought an improvement things might be different. I don't believe Empire is inherently bad." And of course, don't forget the Byzantines who also had a aristocracy that lasted for centuries later. 1500 years of self-rule on Constantinople is nothing to sneeze it. I wrote this in my post but deleted it.

“If we had someone like Augustus who clearly knew what he was doing and actually brought an improvement things might be different. I don’t believe Empire is inherently bad.”

And of course, don’t forget the Byzantines who also had a aristocracy that lasted for centuries later. 1500 years of self-rule on Constantinople is nothing to sneeze it.

]]> By: moonbat http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/comment-page-1/#comment-347814 moonbat Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:53:13 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/#comment-347814 Marshall, #19, point taken. I brought up Rome because Cahill's characterization of Rome's constricted arts and discourse in its final days bears an unfortunate resemblence to our own inability, in a supposed democracy, to discuss what really matters. Marshall, #19, point taken. I brought up Rome because Cahill’s characterization of Rome’s constricted arts and discourse in its final days bears an unfortunate resemblence to our own inability, in a supposed democracy, to discuss what really matters.

]]> By: Zeus http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/comment-page-1/#comment-346487 Zeus Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:52:56 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/#comment-346487 So let me get this straight. We can't just LOSE a war - we have to let the Chinese profit from that too? So let me get this straight. We can’t just LOSE a war – we have to let the Chinese profit from that too?

]]> By: Marshall http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/comment-page-1/#comment-346235 Marshall Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:30:08 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/#comment-346235 Be careful talking about Rome. The democratic forms died in substance soon after Augustus, after which they had several good centuries of despotic rule. They (the Western Empire) only fell 5 centuries after the forms decayed, and about a 1 century after the Christians took over. Whatever caused that fall, it wasn't a decay of democratic principles; the culture that produced all of those cool ruins in Europe was a dictatorial empire based on slavery. Be careful talking about Rome. The democratic forms died in substance soon after Augustus, after which they had several good centuries of despotic rule. They (the Western Empire) only fell 5 centuries after the forms decayed, and about a 1 century after the Christians took over. Whatever caused that fall, it wasn’t a decay of democratic principles; the culture that produced all of those cool ruins in Europe was a dictatorial empire based on slavery.

]]> By: moonbat http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/comment-page-1/#comment-346211 moonbat Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:14:17 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/#comment-346211 Another tragedy that most of you know but which has not been mentioned, is the opportunity cost. One trillion bucks could go pretty far in getting the country off of oil. Not only would this uncouple us from events in the Middle East, but it's a problem that will need to be solved anyway, as peak oil nears. It's so much easier and cheaper to solve while oil is still abundant, but that would mean the powers that be would have to start looking out for the whole country instead of just for themselves. Another tragedy that most of you know but which has not been mentioned, is the opportunity cost. One trillion bucks could go pretty far in getting the country off of oil. Not only would this uncouple us from events in the Middle East, but it’s a problem that will need to be solved anyway, as peak oil nears. It’s so much easier and cheaper to solve while oil is still abundant, but that would mean the powers that be would have to start looking out for the whole country instead of just for themselves.

]]> By: Steve from Canuckistan http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/comment-page-1/#comment-345857 Steve from Canuckistan Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:04:38 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/#comment-345857 America and the West (Canada too.. because our leaders are also climate change deniers) are at risk of loosing everything because of this gluttony. Signs of climate change are lurking everywhere. Studies of past civilizations have demonstrated that they are fragile things. Our own could be easily dismantled with fearsome consequences with just two back to back crop failures in North America. Think it can't happen? That cost will be infinitely more than the value of all of the oil in Iraq or in all the world for that matter. Gluttons usually get what they deserve...with our carbon based economy we long ago made a deal with the devil. It is hard to be hopeful when we see the daily degradation to our planet and the indifference of those who hold power who could steer our ship away from lurking danger. Some future archaeologist (if anyone survives) will no doubt sift through the bones and debris of what we leave behind and conclude (quite easily I assume) that we was victims of our own greed and hubris...just like all the other collapsed civilizations before ours. The truly sad thing is to think of all the millions of species we are taking down with us. If there is a God I can't imagine that he would be pleased with this. America and the West (Canada too.. because our leaders are also climate change deniers) are at risk of loosing everything because of this gluttony. Signs of climate change are lurking everywhere. Studies of past civilizations have demonstrated that they are fragile things. Our own could be easily dismantled with fearsome consequences with just two back to back crop failures in North America. Think it can’t happen? That cost will be infinitely more than the value of all of the oil in Iraq or in all the world for that matter. Gluttons usually get what they deserve…with our carbon based economy we long ago made a deal with the devil. It is hard to be hopeful when we see the daily degradation to our planet and the indifference of those who hold power who could steer our ship away from lurking danger. Some future archaeologist (if anyone survives) will no doubt sift through the bones and debris of what we leave behind and conclude (quite easily I assume) that we was victims of our own greed and hubris…just like all the other collapsed civilizations before ours. The truly sad thing is to think of all the millions of species we are taking down with us. If there is a God I can’t imagine that he would be pleased with this.

]]> By: Bonnie http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/comment-page-1/#comment-345736 Bonnie Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:52:47 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/#comment-345736 Another truth that every one is dancing around is that the O.I.L. is genocide. Another truth that every one is dancing around is that the O.I.L. is genocide.

]]> By: William K. Wolfrum » Blog Archive » Fuck apologies http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/comment-page-1/#comment-344451 William K. Wolfrum » Blog Archive » Fuck apologies Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:34:41 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/10/23/would-you-pay-1-to-get-30/#comment-344451 [...] In commenting on Holt’s piece, here’s what Moonbat at Mahablog has to say: “What’s galling to me is that it’s been obvious from day one that getting the oil was a huge reason behind Operation Iraqi Liberation, and yet this is the elephant in the dining room, that no one dares talk about.” [...] [...] In commenting on Holt’s piece, here’s what Moonbat at Mahablog has to say: “What’s galling to me is that it’s been obvious from day one that getting the oil was a huge reason behind Operation Iraqi Liberation, and yet this is the elephant in the dining room, that no one dares talk about.” [...]

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