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		<title>by: 2008 Presidential Election &#187; Lies, Damn Lies, and â€¦</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/02/lies-damn-lies-and/#comment-374036</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] maha placed an observative post today on Lies, Damn Lies, and &amp;#226;€&amp;#166;Here&amp;#8217;s a quick excerpt [...]</description>
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		<title>by: c u n d gulag</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/02/lies-damn-lies-and/#comment-373106</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>SCHIP for children?

How dare we?!?   We can't afford it!!!
We have missile's to build; Iran to bomb; an occupation (NOT A WAR!!!) in Iraq to fund.  
We have to finance the rich so they can screw the poor.  Just like Christ wanted it to be!

Kid's... F&amp;#38;#$ 'em all!!!  What are you, stupid?  Missiles are more important than children.  Much more important. 
Just read the Bible, where Christ said what he said.  Whatever he said....
I think it was, &quot;Pity the missile's!&quot;  Or something like that.  Juss' look it up! Look it up!!!  
He said what he said!  And what he said is important!!!
Jesus said, &quot;The rich shall inherit the earth.&quot;  Or, whatever.  He said it.  He did!  Jesus did!!  He said it!!!  Christ, he really did!!!!  Really, he did!!!!!

If there is a Jesus, what he thinks can be encapsulated by Shakespeare's great line, &quot;What fool's these mortal's be...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>SCHIP for children?</p>
	<p>How dare we?!?   We can&#8217;t afford it!!!<br />
We have missile&#8217;s to build; Iran to bomb; an occupation (NOT A WAR!!!) in Iraq to fund.<br />
We have to finance the rich so they can screw the poor.  Just like Christ wanted it to be!</p>
	<p>Kid&#8217;s&#8230; F&amp;#$ &#8216;em all!!!  What are you, stupid?  Missiles are more important than children.  Much more important.<br />
Just read the Bible, where Christ said what he said.  Whatever he said&#8230;.<br />
I think it was, &#8220;Pity the missile&#8217;s!&#8221;  Or something like that.  Juss&#8217; look it up! Look it up!!!<br />
He said what he said!  And what he said is important!!!<br />
Jesus said, &#8220;The rich shall inherit the earth.&#8221;  Or, whatever.  He said it.  He did!  Jesus did!!  He said it!!!  Christ, he really did!!!!  Really, he did!!!!!</p>
	<p>If there is a Jesus, what he thinks can be encapsulated by Shakespeare&#8217;s great line, &#8220;What fool&#8217;s these mortal&#8217;s be&#8230;&#8221;
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		<title>by: jacksmith</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/02/lies-damn-lies-and/#comment-372790</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The bottom line is that the British live longer than we do in America. And the average Briton was found to be in much better health than the best insured Americans. Sad... And British children are not dieing, and going extinct. Like all of the American children are. What do you have to say to that.

For the first time in the history of America. The life expectancy of today's children is less than that of their parents. This is catastrophic. And our infant mortality is equal to that of a third world country. Current U.S. adult life expectancy is down from #1 to #42. And dropping fast. These facts are what is known as EXTINCTION! indicators. These are the early signs of the final phase of the EXTINCTION of the American people.

You have to take the profit motive out of health care delivery. The profit motive does not work with health care. Or any other essential public service like police, and fire. The sooner everyone faces this truth. The sooner you will be able to adopt a real solution to the problem. The days of paying for health care out of pocket are at an end. Just like the mob days of paying for protection out of pocket came to an end.

HR 676 is the way to go. Single payer Universal National Health Care For All. Medicare for all. Accept no substitutes. The sooner you face this. The sooner you begin to heal the Cancer of private for profit medicine that is destroying this entire society. Other developed countries realized this years ago. It's a no-brainer now. See sickocure.org

Money, greed, and the profit motive has just decimated health care in America. And killed, and injured millions needlessly. Just for profit. But that is what large amounts of money, greed, and a lust for power always does. No one is immune from this corrupting power. The smart ones know this. And avoid letting them-self be put in compromising positions. But that is easier said. Than done. And very few succeed.

Most in the US go into medicine primarily to become wealthy. That is who the medical schools mostly choose. Most of the medical schools faculty are in bed with the drug companies, and others. And like the story of Dr. Faustus. They end up selling their soles. One compromise at a time. Until Lucifer owns them.

In medicine. Compromised care means. Injury, disability, and death. It's sad really. But HR 676 can fix this disgrace. Like it has in other developed countries. The only question is. How many more millions will be hurt, injured, and killed. And how many more of your children will die before their time. Before we fix this disgrace of private for profit health care in America.

I realize there will be a few people that have what they believe is good health care coverage. Who will want to opt out of a single payer system like HR 676. But let me remind you we rank # 37 in quality of health care for all. Down from #1. Never the less. A few opting out is not a problem. As long as all other Americans are automatically covered at birth through life. Unless they choose to opt out of HR 676. The government takes out 1.4% from your paycheck now for Medicare. All they have to do is substitute for HR 676 what they now take out of your paychecks for private health insurance. Remember, we already spend more on health care than any other country in the world. Right Now. We are being ripped off. And raped.

The SCHIP program is a desperately needed program for Americas children. But with the impending EXTINCTION of Americas children. And their current catastrophic health care condition. SCHIP needs to be extended to cover all of Americas children, immediately. Parents should have no hesitations, or financial worries about seeking medical care for their children. Whenever they have any concerns about their children's health. Especially in the richest country in the world. I would submit that any President, or politician that fails to do this for the children. Betrays their most solemn oath to protect the American people. Especially when you consider that all other developed countries have done this. And that we are the richest country in the world.

So get on it America. Get it done. You have been doing great over the past several months. Keep it up. And step it up. You have to force it, and take it. It's the right fight, and the right thing to do. Now is the time... Take no prisoners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The bottom line is that the British live longer than we do in America. And the average Briton was found to be in much better health than the best insured Americans. Sad&#8230; And British children are not dieing, and going extinct. Like all of the American children are. What do you have to say to that.</p>
	<p>For the first time in the history of America. The life expectancy of today&#8217;s children is less than that of their parents. This is catastrophic. And our infant mortality is equal to that of a third world country. Current U.S. adult life expectancy is down from #1 to #42. And dropping fast. These facts are what is known as EXTINCTION! indicators. These are the early signs of the final phase of the EXTINCTION of the American people.</p>
	<p>You have to take the profit motive out of health care delivery. The profit motive does not work with health care. Or any other essential public service like police, and fire. The sooner everyone faces this truth. The sooner you will be able to adopt a real solution to the problem. The days of paying for health care out of pocket are at an end. Just like the mob days of paying for protection out of pocket came to an end.</p>
	<p>HR 676 is the way to go. Single payer Universal National Health Care For All. Medicare for all. Accept no substitutes. The sooner you face this. The sooner you begin to heal the Cancer of private for profit medicine that is destroying this entire society. Other developed countries realized this years ago. It&#8217;s a no-brainer now. See sickocure.org</p>
	<p>Money, greed, and the profit motive has just decimated health care in America. And killed, and injured millions needlessly. Just for profit. But that is what large amounts of money, greed, and a lust for power always does. No one is immune from this corrupting power. The smart ones know this. And avoid letting them-self be put in compromising positions. But that is easier said. Than done. And very few succeed.</p>
	<p>Most in the US go into medicine primarily to become wealthy. That is who the medical schools mostly choose. Most of the medical schools faculty are in bed with the drug companies, and others. And like the story of Dr. Faustus. They end up selling their soles. One compromise at a time. Until Lucifer owns them.</p>
	<p>In medicine. Compromised care means. Injury, disability, and death. It&#8217;s sad really. But HR 676 can fix this disgrace. Like it has in other developed countries. The only question is. How many more millions will be hurt, injured, and killed. And how many more of your children will die before their time. Before we fix this disgrace of private for profit health care in America.</p>
	<p>I realize there will be a few people that have what they believe is good health care coverage. Who will want to opt out of a single payer system like HR 676. But let me remind you we rank # 37 in quality of health care for all. Down from #1. Never the less. A few opting out is not a problem. As long as all other Americans are automatically covered at birth through life. Unless they choose to opt out of HR 676. The government takes out 1.4% from your paycheck now for Medicare. All they have to do is substitute for HR 676 what they now take out of your paychecks for private health insurance. Remember, we already spend more on health care than any other country in the world. Right Now. We are being ripped off. And raped.</p>
	<p>The SCHIP program is a desperately needed program for Americas children. But with the impending EXTINCTION of Americas children. And their current catastrophic health care condition. SCHIP needs to be extended to cover all of Americas children, immediately. Parents should have no hesitations, or financial worries about seeking medical care for their children. Whenever they have any concerns about their children&#8217;s health. Especially in the richest country in the world. I would submit that any President, or politician that fails to do this for the children. Betrays their most solemn oath to protect the American people. Especially when you consider that all other developed countries have done this. And that we are the richest country in the world.</p>
	<p>So get on it America. Get it done. You have been doing great over the past several months. Keep it up. And step it up. You have to force it, and take it. It&#8217;s the right fight, and the right thing to do. Now is the time&#8230; Take no prisoners.
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		<title>by: The Mahablog &#187; Surviving</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/02/lies-damn-lies-and/#comment-370989</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Yesterday I wrote about claims and counter-claims being made about cancer treatment. A number of statistics say that the United States leads the world in successful treatment of cancer, and those stats have become beloved of righties who argue that our crippled, hemorrhaging behemoth of a health care system is still The Best Health Care System in the World. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] Yesterday I wrote about claims and counter-claims being made about cancer treatment. A number of statistics say that the United States leads the world in successful treatment of cancer, and those stats have become beloved of righties who argue that our crippled, hemorrhaging behemoth of a health care system is still The Best Health Care System in the World. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Bucky Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/02/lies-damn-lies-and/#comment-370681</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Explain to me why the people who would benefit the most from socialized medicine are often times so against it. I can see not voting with your pocket book on every issue but this is a no brainer. It's like all the Republican leaders have to do is say 'Socialized Medicine' and the zombie bots go into attack mode. Even though they won't get the treatment they need or go bankrupt trying in the current system. What is the matter with Kansas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Explain to me why the people who would benefit the most from socialized medicine are often times so against it. I can see not voting with your pocket book on every issue but this is a no brainer. It&#8217;s like all the Republican leaders have to do is say &#8216;Socialized Medicine&#8217; and the zombie bots go into attack mode. Even though they won&#8217;t get the treatment they need or go bankrupt trying in the current system. What is the matter with Kansas?
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		<title>by: Lies, Damn Lies, and â€¦ : Health Insurance Coverage</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/02/lies-damn-lies-and/#comment-370482</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 06:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Lies, Damn Lies, and â€¦ Rudy Giuliani is running a radio ad that is generating much comment and derision. Paul Krugman explains: â€œMy chance of surviving prostate cancer â€” and thank God I was cured of it â€” in the United States? Eighty-two percent,â€ says Rudy Giuliani in a new radio ad attacking Democratic plans for universa&amp;#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] Lies, Damn Lies, and â€¦ Rudy Giuliani is running a radio ad that is generating much comment and derision. Paul Krugman explains: â€œMy chance of surviving prostate cancer â€” and thank God I was cured of it â€” in the United States? Eighty-two percent,â€ says Rudy Giuliani in a new radio ad attacking Democratic plans for universa&#8230; [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: c u n d gulag</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/02/lies-damn-lies-and/#comment-370474</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 05:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Rudaaaaaaaay!!1
You lied.  AGAIN!!! And we all know it.
Rudy, you benefited.  As did every Congresscritter from what you call &quot;Socialized Medecine.&quot;

Rudy,
Be a good pimp, a good 'dealer.'  Let the American people have a taste...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Rudaaaaaaaay!!1<br />
You lied.  AGAIN!!! And we all know it.<br />
Rudy, you benefited.  As did every Congresscritter from what you call &#8220;Socialized Medecine.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Rudy,<br />
Be a good pimp, a good &#8216;dealer.&#8217;  Let the American people have a taste&#8230;
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		<title>by: erinyes</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/02/lies-damn-lies-and/#comment-370318</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 03:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I was going to comment that Rudy is into self (digital) examination, but that would be crude and rude, so I won't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I was going to comment that Rudy is into self (digital) examination, but that would be crude and rude, so I won&#8217;t.
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		<title>by: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/02/lies-damn-lies-and/#comment-370260</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Another fact not part of the discussion is that when prostate cancer became more prevalent, the reseach money was ponied up very quickly.  When breast cancer was killing many, many women, little was done except shaking of heads.  The first money for breast cancer research was put in a Defense spending bill by Pat Schroeder in the early 80s.  If she hadn't done that women may still be dying from breast cancer; but, we surely can't let those poor little men die from cancer--can we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Another fact not part of the discussion is that when prostate cancer became more prevalent, the reseach money was ponied up very quickly.  When breast cancer was killing many, many women, little was done except shaking of heads.  The first money for breast cancer research was put in a Defense spending bill by Pat Schroeder in the early 80s.  If she hadn&#8217;t done that women may still be dying from breast cancer; but, we surely can&#8217;t let those poor little men die from cancer&#8211;can we?
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		<title>by: dr. luba</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/02/lies-damn-lies-and/#comment-370144</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As you noted, Maha, there are all sorts of statistics, and Giuliani and the righties are guilty of comparing apples and howitzers to try and prove their untenable point.

&quot;Survival&quot; is not the same as cure--it is a measurement of how many people with a given cancer survive 5 years.  It is dependent not only on the type of cancer (i.e. organ and cell of origin), but also the stage (how far it has spread) and its aggressiveness (differentiation).  

The death rate from a cancer is population based--how many people die from a given cancer every year (per 100,000 population).

So if you screen with PSA (as we do here in the USA) you will find a lot of very early prostate cancers in older men.  Most of these are indolent (very slow growing), and don't require treatment.  The patients will die of other causes long before the cancer becomes a problem. 

However, by diagnosing all of these very early cancers, you will improve your survival statistics.  As we have seen, the US death rate rate from prostate cancer is the same as in the UK.  This suggests that all the expense the US puts towards diagnosis and treatment (at least in excess of that spent in the UK) hasn't made much of a difference.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As you noted, Maha, there are all sorts of statistics, and Giuliani and the righties are guilty of comparing apples and howitzers to try and prove their untenable point.</p>
	<p>&#8220;Survival&#8221; is not the same as cure&#8211;it is a measurement of how many people with a given cancer survive 5 years.  It is dependent not only on the type of cancer (i.e. organ and cell of origin), but also the stage (how far it has spread) and its aggressiveness (differentiation).  </p>
	<p>The death rate from a cancer is population based&#8211;how many people die from a given cancer every year (per 100,000 population).</p>
	<p>So if you screen with PSA (as we do here in the USA) you will find a lot of very early prostate cancers in older men.  Most of these are indolent (very slow growing), and don&#8217;t require treatment.  The patients will die of other causes long before the cancer becomes a problem. </p>
	<p>However, by diagnosing all of these very early cancers, you will improve your survival statistics.  As we have seen, the US death rate rate from prostate cancer is the same as in the UK.  This suggests that all the expense the US puts towards diagnosis and treatment (at least in excess of that spent in the UK) hasn&#8217;t made much of a difference&#8230;&#8230;.
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