Comments on: Tilting Toward Change http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/ Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:18:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-428904 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:02:50 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-428904 <i>How can you possibly not at least see a small fruit of truth in this argument?</i> If the argument is that we were all wrong and that everything we believed back then must be disavowed, then it's crap. I'm not saying many of us didn't take some unfortunate turns, but there is a huge gap between what the 1960s really were like and how they are perceived now. It's the false perception -- the idea of the Boomers and the 1960s, not the reality -- that's the problem. How can you possibly not at least see a small fruit of truth in this argument?

If the argument is that we were all wrong and that everything we believed back then must be disavowed, then it’s crap. I’m not saying many of us didn’t take some unfortunate turns, but there is a huge gap between what the 1960s really were like and how they are perceived now. It’s the false perception — the idea of the Boomers and the 1960s, not the reality — that’s the problem.

]]> by: KingGeorgeTheTenth http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-428439 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:43:33 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-428439 Maha, I'm just 27 and clearly do not understand at great detail just what happened during the Vietnam War. As a matter of fact, I always a bit envious of the 60s and early 70s for having something to really bite into for civic activity. I just remember Kerry re-invigorating the Vietnam debate during the 2004 campaign, from that point on I knew Kerry would be doomed. How can you possibly not at least see a small fruit of truth in this argument? I appreciate your columns and opinions, thanks a lot. Maha, I’m just 27 and clearly do not understand at great detail just what happened during the Vietnam War. As a matter of fact, I always a bit envious of the 60s and early 70s for having something to really bite into for civic activity. I just remember Kerry re-invigorating the Vietnam debate during the 2004 campaign, from that point on I knew Kerry would be doomed. How can you possibly not at least see a small fruit of truth in this argument? I appreciate your columns and opinions, thanks a lot.

]]> by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-427706 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:04:47 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-427706 King George -- I have the magazne, but I refuse to read that article. I sincerely doubt Andy has even half a clue what was actually argued, and by whom, during the Vietnam War, and I say the general craziness of the Clinton years was being perpetrated by post-boomers, people who reached adulthood during the Age of Reagan. Blame where blame is due, and I'm tired of seeing us Boomers made the one-size-fits-all scapegoat for what's wrong with America. King George — I have the magazne, but I refuse to read that article. I sincerely doubt Andy has even half a clue what was actually argued, and by whom, during the Vietnam War, and I say the general craziness of the Clinton years was being perpetrated by post-boomers, people who reached adulthood during the Age of Reagan. Blame where blame is due, and I’m tired of seeing us Boomers made the one-size-fits-all scapegoat for what’s wrong with America.

]]> by: KingGeorgeTheTenth http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-427122 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:18:40 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-427122 For those of you who haven't read it, I really would like to point you all to the Atlantic Monthly this month and Andrew Sullivan's great piece talking about how Obama could perhaps reach above the baby boom generation's arguments (the Vietnam war, the Clinton years, perhaps something more that I can't recall off the top of my head), the article was just brilliant. If we nominate Hillary Clinton it will just re-create the debate we have been having over and over since the end of the Vietnam war! Obama wasn't involved in any of these debates and could therefore step the country out of that morass. For those of you who haven’t read it, I really would like to point you all to the Atlantic Monthly this month and Andrew Sullivan’s great piece talking about how Obama could perhaps reach above the baby boom generation’s arguments (the Vietnam war, the Clinton years, perhaps something more that I can’t recall off the top of my head), the article was just brilliant. If we nominate Hillary Clinton it will just re-create the debate we have been having over and over since the end of the Vietnam war! Obama wasn’t involved in any of these debates and could therefore step the country out of that morass.

]]> by: moonbat http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-427100 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:14:16 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-427100 It's way too early to talk about this, but I wouldn't be surprised with a Clinton/Obama ticket. The first woman Prez and the first black VP - it could be a killer ticket. The triangulator and the "we're all one family" guy. They're not very far apart ideologically, and her expertise would balance his inspiration/oratory. Great to hear of your efforts Donna (you're an inspiration dontcha know?) and of your trials, victories and perspective, justme. Hope your birdies and kitties are doin' OK. It’s way too early to talk about this, but I wouldn’t be surprised with a Clinton/Obama ticket. The first woman Prez and the first black VP - it could be a killer ticket. The triangulator and the “we’re all one family” guy. They’re not very far apart ideologically, and her expertise would balance his inspiration/oratory.

Great to hear of your efforts Donna (you’re an inspiration dontcha know?) and of your trials, victories and perspective, justme. Hope your birdies and kitties are doin’ OK.

]]> by: erinyes http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-427036 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:37:35 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-427036 I guess that would be Oprah...... How silly of me! I guess that would be Oprah……
How silly of me!

]]> by: erinyes http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-427034 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:35:28 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-427034 Could we be looking at an Obama / Opra ticket? This could get verrry interesting......... I think they would clinch the black vote and the women's vote I'm a 53 yr old white boy, and I really like Opra. Is that wierd or what? I also like the fact that Obama spent some time in Indonesia. (his middle name is Hussein, which will cause the right to convulse )Obama seems smart, but he did kiss some APAC hiney-butt, which pisses me off. I like Kucinich, but don't think he has a chance.Too pure, too good, so sad. We need a President who will get us out of Iraq and prosecute those that got us in there. Could we be looking at an Obama / Opra ticket?
This could get verrry interesting………
I think they would clinch the black vote and the women’s vote
I’m a 53 yr old white boy, and I really like Opra. Is that wierd or what?
I also like the fact that Obama spent some time in Indonesia. (his middle name is Hussein, which will cause the right to convulse )Obama seems smart, but he did kiss some APAC hiney-butt, which pisses me off.
I like Kucinich, but don’t think he has a chance.Too pure, too good, so sad.
We need a President who will get us out of Iraq and prosecute those that got us in there.

]]> by: Donna http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-426884 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:50:23 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-426884 Hi, justme! I am not in Des Moines, friend. Here is all I will say, as I love doing what I am doing as 'anonymous'. I thought long and hard about what I would like to see change in my country and my government. I sat down and wrote a one-page 'essay' and so far have made and distributed some 1,400 copies. I am traveling only on Iowa's two-lane roads, avoiding big cities, and johnny-appleseeding a few copies per public place per small town. I suppose I should say that I really most trust small town folks to remain commonsensical and rooted in original neighborly values. Essentially what I wrote is non-partisan, but in my 'essay', I did name one politician, Obama [crediting his words for getting citizen-me to actually act within the audacious notion that one person might make a difference]. Geez, Iowa is, er, big!! I can only get to maybe three small towns per hour, and have learned to stop at dusk because of the deer. But, Iowa is also very beautiful in most of the rural areas [just now getting to the really flat stuff, like Hwy 3]; when I discovered the Loess Hills, I sort of fell in love with that region. Maybe when this is all over, I will offer more, like the actual essay, which isn't really very long. For now, I just want to say again that getting into movement/action sure beats the frustrations I have felt for years about politics [probably since the Reagan years]. Hi, justme! I am not in Des Moines, friend. Here is all I will say, as I love doing what I am doing as ‘anonymous’. I thought long and hard about what I would like to see change in my country and my government. I sat down and wrote a one-page ‘essay’ and so far have made and distributed some 1,400 copies.

I am traveling only on Iowa’s two-lane roads, avoiding big cities, and johnny-appleseeding a few copies per public place per small town. I suppose I should say that I really most trust small town folks to remain commonsensical and rooted in original neighborly values.

Essentially what I wrote is non-partisan, but in my ‘essay’, I did name one politician, Obama [crediting his words for getting citizen-me to actually act within the audacious notion that one person might make a difference].

Geez, Iowa is, er, big!! I can only get to maybe three small towns per hour, and have learned to stop at dusk because of the deer. But, Iowa is also very beautiful in most of the rural areas [just now getting to the really flat stuff, like Hwy 3];
when I discovered the Loess Hills, I sort of fell in love with that region.

Maybe when this is all over, I will offer more, like the actual essay, which isn’t really very long. For now, I just want to say again that getting into movement/action sure beats the frustrations I have felt for years about politics [probably since the Reagan years].

]]> by: DoubleCinco http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-426612 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:25:50 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-426612 P.S. erinyes, I agree about c. rice. Thanks. P.S. erinyes, I agree about c. rice. Thanks.

]]> by: DoubleCinco http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-426610 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:24:17 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/11/20/tilting-toward-change/#comment-426610 Yes, Donna, please fill us in! A friend and I had considered coming up there after Thanksgiving to observe the process, but alas, practicality wins again--dern. Yes, Donna, please fill us in! A friend and I had considered coming up there after Thanksgiving to observe the process, but alas, practicality wins again–dern.

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