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		<title>by: The Mahablog &#187; Hang on Tight</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/06/holy-oil-and-water/#comment-509849</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] I wrote awhile back about Lowry&amp;#8217;s consternation over Huckabee&amp;#8217;s popularity. Hillyer continues, The roots of this bizarreness lie in Washington. Since 1998, the majority of congressional Republicans have shown they have no clue about what motivates most right-leaning voters and even less of a clue about what constitutes good public policy. Pork-barrel spending that garners almost no votes, but plenty of campaign cash, still abounds. Ethical reforms are ignored or run around. With strong GOP support, Congress passes farm bills and energy bills and all sorts of other legislation that are monstrosities containing no internal logic, no discernible philosophical basis, and no serious provisions for efficiency or effective oversight. Meanwhile, President Bush never has been a fiscal conservative or a foe of big government, meaning the old Barry Goldwater wing of the party - still the largest subset of the conservative coalition - has had no champions in Washington except those toiling from the back bench. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] I wrote awhile back about Lowry&#8217;s consternation over Huckabee&#8217;s popularity. Hillyer continues, The roots of this bizarreness lie in Washington. Since 1998, the majority of congressional Republicans have shown they have no clue about what motivates most right-leaning voters and even less of a clue about what constitutes good public policy. Pork-barrel spending that garners almost no votes, but plenty of campaign cash, still abounds. Ethical reforms are ignored or run around. With strong GOP support, Congress passes farm bills and energy bills and all sorts of other legislation that are monstrosities containing no internal logic, no discernible philosophical basis, and no serious provisions for efficiency or effective oversight. Meanwhile, President Bush never has been a fiscal conservative or a foe of big government, meaning the old Barry Goldwater wing of the party - still the largest subset of the conservative coalition - has had no champions in Washington except those toiling from the back bench. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: goatboyslim</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/06/holy-oil-and-water/#comment-476813</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In the late 80's, a similar situation occurred in Arizona, when a Mormon,Republican Ev Meachum was elected governor, due in part to a third party candidate. He was subsequently impeached and removed from office, mainly due to the conventional wing of the Republican party which attacked him mercilessly. There were three counts against him, but only only one prevailed, a charge of mis -managing campaign funds. He was later tried in court,and aquitted. All in all, a delightful entertainment, which resulted in the sweet Rose Moffitt, Az's Aunt Bee, becoming interim governor. I bring this up because I think it serves as the perfect blueprint for what will happen to Mike Huckabee. Let the games begin, and pass me the popcorn, please........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In the late 80&#8217;s, a similar situation occurred in Arizona, when a Mormon,Republican Ev Meachum was elected governor, due in part to a third party candidate. He was subsequently impeached and removed from office, mainly due to the conventional wing of the Republican party which attacked him mercilessly. There were three counts against him, but only only one prevailed, a charge of mis -managing campaign funds. He was later tried in court,and aquitted. All in all, a delightful entertainment, which resulted in the sweet Rose Moffitt, Az&#8217;s Aunt Bee, becoming interim governor. I bring this up because I think it serves as the perfect blueprint for what will happen to Mike Huckabee. Let the games begin, and pass me the popcorn, please&#8230;&#8230;..
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		<title>by: Drasties - Nou breekt me de klomp.</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/06/holy-oil-and-water/#comment-475727</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] GLEN GREENWALD: One of the most interesting aspects of the presidential campaign thus far is the almost universal animosity towards Mike Huckabee from the right-wing establishment. The party&amp;#8217;s dominant neocons, its business interests, its hard-core immigration restrictionists, and its chattering class all seem alternatively embarrassed by Huckabee&amp;#8217;s support and furious that their top-down decrees are being ignored. Most of all, they seem resentful that the monster they created and exploited for so long &amp;#8212; the infusion of evangelical dogmatism into their party &amp;#8212; is now a monster they can&amp;#8217;t control. Barbara O&amp;#8217;Brien has an excellent analysis of Huckabee&amp;#8217;s popularity and the spasms of anger and confusion it is causing for the Republican establishment. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] GLEN GREENWALD: One of the most interesting aspects of the presidential campaign thus far is the almost universal animosity towards Mike Huckabee from the right-wing establishment. The party&#8217;s dominant neocons, its business interests, its hard-core immigration restrictionists, and its chattering class all seem alternatively embarrassed by Huckabee&#8217;s support and furious that their top-down decrees are being ignored. Most of all, they seem resentful that the monster they created and exploited for so long &#8212; the infusion of evangelical dogmatism into their party &#8212; is now a monster they can&#8217;t control. Barbara O&#8217;Brien has an excellent analysis of Huckabee&#8217;s popularity and the spasms of anger and confusion it is causing for the Republican establishment. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: billy</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/06/holy-oil-and-water/#comment-474790</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;26- Seriously how much has changed in 115 years? Except of course, the Fundie club now is Republican. And they are winning instead of losing. And we have computers. That’s about it.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, you missed one other difference--Bryan, as a Christian who had actually read the entire Bible and hadn't been brainwashed by the theo-politics of the Moral Majority and its heirs, was pretty damn liberal.  He might look conservative to our eyes because of his Biblical positions on a handful of social issues that serve as ceremonial footballs in our political system (and to give due discredit, he was also a prohibitionist and a racist), but he was anti-war, anti-imperialist, populist to the core and extremely critical of big business.  A modern Bryan would look something like a cross between Brownback and Kucinich, and if he were running for president in 2008 you probably would never have heard for him--I can only imagine the media blackout we'd see on a serious presidential candidate with a reputation for trust-busting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>26- Seriously how much has changed in 115 years? Except of course, the Fundie club now is Republican. And they are winning instead of losing. And we have computers. That’s about it.</i></p>
	<p>Well, you missed one other difference&#8211;Bryan, as a Christian who had actually read the entire Bible and hadn&#8217;t been brainwashed by the theo-politics of the Moral Majority and its heirs, was pretty damn liberal.  He might look conservative to our eyes because of his Biblical positions on a handful of social issues that serve as ceremonial footballs in our political system (and to give due discredit, he was also a prohibitionist and a racist), but he was anti-war, anti-imperialist, populist to the core and extremely critical of big business.  A modern Bryan would look something like a cross between Brownback and Kucinich, and if he were running for president in 2008 you probably would never have heard for him&#8211;I can only imagine the media blackout we&#8217;d see on a serious presidential candidate with a reputation for trust-busting.
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		<title>by: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/06/holy-oil-and-water/#comment-474653</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>All that's happening now is that the neocon Republicans, who exploited the fundamentalist Christians, are being bitten in the back by the monster they created.

Serves 'em right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>All that&#8217;s happening now is that the neocon Republicans, who exploited the fundamentalist Christians, are being bitten in the back by the monster they created.</p>
	<p>Serves &#8216;em right.
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		<title>by: eric taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/06/holy-oil-and-water/#comment-474185</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt; Nor, do I believe, did viable contenders for a major party presidential nomination explicitly court the fundamentalist vote until the past quarter century or so.&lt;/i&gt;

I know there are plenty of others, but I always think about Williams Jennings Bryan who today we know as the &quot;winner&quot; in the Scopes monkey trial, but for the past 20 years, he ran as a populist Democratic candidate endorsed by the party, endorsed by the people, opposing Darwinism and opposing gold for silver.

If Williams Jennings Bryan were alive today he would win the presidency, instead of losing it.  The sunbelt states that he dominated back then he would dominate today.  And just like back in 1896, the corporate interests would do everything in their power to destroy him, just as the republican corporate machine is trying its best to destroy huckabee.  Williams Jennings Bryan used his religion to club the republicans to claim christianity as being owned by the Democratic party.

Seriously how much has changed in 115 years?  Except of course, the Fundie club now is Republican.  And they are winning instead of losing.  And we have computers.  That's about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i> Nor, do I believe, did viable contenders for a major party presidential nomination explicitly court the fundamentalist vote until the past quarter century or so.</i></p>
	<p>I know there are plenty of others, but I always think about Williams Jennings Bryan who today we know as the &#8220;winner&#8221; in the Scopes monkey trial, but for the past 20 years, he ran as a populist Democratic candidate endorsed by the party, endorsed by the people, opposing Darwinism and opposing gold for silver.</p>
	<p>If Williams Jennings Bryan were alive today he would win the presidency, instead of losing it.  The sunbelt states that he dominated back then he would dominate today.  And just like back in 1896, the corporate interests would do everything in their power to destroy him, just as the republican corporate machine is trying its best to destroy huckabee.  Williams Jennings Bryan used his religion to club the republicans to claim christianity as being owned by the Democratic party.</p>
	<p>Seriously how much has changed in 115 years?  Except of course, the Fundie club now is Republican.  And they are winning instead of losing.  And we have computers.  That&#8217;s about it.
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		<title>by: spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/06/holy-oil-and-water/#comment-474168</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I wonder if Romney will be wearing his Magic Mormon underwear when he gives his speech. How can you take seriously any candidate who believes in and indorses Moroni under-roos?&lt;/i&gt;

I agree that the &quot;magic underwear&quot; thing is ridiculous . . . but is it any more ridiculous than the beliefs and tenets of any other major religion?

For my money, all religions are jam-packed with similar silliness. You can have the lot of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I wonder if Romney will be wearing his Magic Mormon underwear when he gives his speech. How can you take seriously any candidate who believes in and indorses Moroni under-roos?</i></p>
	<p>I agree that the &#8220;magic underwear&#8221; thing is ridiculous . . . but is it any more ridiculous than the beliefs and tenets of any other major religion?</p>
	<p>For my money, all religions are jam-packed with similar silliness. You can have the lot of them.
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		<title>by: Philadelphia Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/06/holy-oil-and-water/#comment-471863</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 07:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Re: &quot;Is comment #20 satire? Can’t tell anymore. It’s been a really long week. &quot;

Conservatives have become impossible to satire.  Even the most extreme comments that any outsider can imagine soon become routine dogma of the Conservative movement.

For example Conservatives now routinely quote the fictional Congressional testimony from the fictional TV series &quot;24&quot; as though it actually happened.

Evangelical Christians commonly refer to events in the &quot;Left Behind&quot; fictional works when justifying heir political and religious beliefs.

William F. Buckley &quot;rehabilitated&quot; the image of Joe McCarthy by writing a work of fiction (&quot;Redhunter&quot;) and including fictional discussions and events that made Senator mcCarthy look more positive:  And Conservatives accepted the work as truth.

When individuals can no longer discern between fantasy and reality, and treat them interchangable, they are usually referred to as schizophrenic.  In the United States we now refer to them as &quot;Conservatives&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re: &#8220;Is comment #20 satire? Can’t tell anymore. It’s been a really long week. &#8221;</p>
	<p>Conservatives have become impossible to satire.  Even the most extreme comments that any outsider can imagine soon become routine dogma of the Conservative movement.</p>
	<p>For example Conservatives now routinely quote the fictional Congressional testimony from the fictional TV series &#8220;24&#8243; as though it actually happened.</p>
	<p>Evangelical Christians commonly refer to events in the &#8220;Left Behind&#8221; fictional works when justifying heir political and religious beliefs.</p>
	<p>William F. Buckley &#8220;rehabilitated&#8221; the image of Joe McCarthy by writing a work of fiction (&#8221;Redhunter&#8221;) and including fictional discussions and events that made Senator mcCarthy look more positive:  And Conservatives accepted the work as truth.</p>
	<p>When individuals can no longer discern between fantasy and reality, and treat them interchangable, they are usually referred to as schizophrenic.  In the United States we now refer to them as &#8220;Conservatives&#8221;.
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		<title>by: jungle</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/06/holy-oil-and-water/#comment-470425</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Lowry's confusion probably arises from him thinking that the 'sexual morality' campaigns brought into the Republican Party by the religious right were just like any other Republican strategy: a meaningless stick designed exclusively to beat opponents with.

The fact that these religious people now found in their party actually (well, many of them, anyway) *believe* at a basic level in these campaigns, was always going to come as something of a shock.

Campaigns, morals and rhetoric for the non-religious wing of the Republican Party are something done to discredit opponents and advance their actual agenda, which they generally don't talk a lot about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Lowry&#8217;s confusion probably arises from him thinking that the &#8217;sexual morality&#8217; campaigns brought into the Republican Party by the religious right were just like any other Republican strategy: a meaningless stick designed exclusively to beat opponents with.</p>
	<p>The fact that these religious people now found in their party actually (well, many of them, anyway) *believe* at a basic level in these campaigns, was always going to come as something of a shock.</p>
	<p>Campaigns, morals and rhetoric for the non-religious wing of the Republican Party are something done to discredit opponents and advance their actual agenda, which they generally don&#8217;t talk a lot about.
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		<title>by: joanr16</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/06/holy-oil-and-water/#comment-469401</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Is comment #20 satire?  Can't tell anymore.  It's been a really long week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is comment #20 satire?  Can&#8217;t tell anymore.  It&#8217;s been a really long week.
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