Comments on: Control Freaks http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/ Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:41:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: Youffraita http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-484272 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:03:50 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-484272 Have you seen Wexler's petition to impeach Cheney? You can sign it here: http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com/ Have you seen Wexler’s petition to impeach Cheney? You can sign it here: http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com/

]]> by: Doug Hughes http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-483657 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:03:58 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-483657 I just read the article on Alternet you linked 'waiting for Congress to Act' which suggests that Pelosi was briefed on illegal torture and was complicit back in 2002? And I was over on Glenn Greenwald; he's saying that Harry Reid is bringing to the floor the version of the FISA bill which will give the telecoms amnesty. Jesus Fucking Christ - these are our Democratic leaders in the Senate and House and they are sold out on torture and can't run to the telcoms fast enough. And you wonder why I pray for a white knight 3rd party candidate who can convey apropriate public contempt for the 2 parties who reperesent the 'best government money can buy'. And shame and bully the candidates into campaign reform so that elected officials are not bipartisan corporate lackeys for an incresingly fascist state. I just read the article on Alternet you linked ‘waiting for Congress to Act’ which suggests that Pelosi was briefed on illegal torture and was complicit back in 2002? And I was over on Glenn Greenwald; he’s saying that Harry Reid is bringing to the floor the version of the FISA bill which will give the telecoms amnesty.

Jesus Fucking Christ - these are our Democratic leaders in the Senate and House and they are sold out on torture and can’t run to the telcoms fast enough. And you wonder why I pray for a white knight 3rd party candidate who can convey apropriate public contempt for the 2 parties who reperesent the ‘best government money can buy’. And shame and bully the candidates into campaign reform so that elected officials are not bipartisan corporate lackeys for an incresingly fascist state.

]]> by: Bonnie http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-483535 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:30:18 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-483535 Why the American people have put up with this group of organized criminals is beyond me. Why they have allowed them to destroy this country is beyond me. I am so glad I do not have any children; buecause it is the children who will suffer in the years to come. Why the American people have put up with this group of organized criminals is beyond me. Why they have allowed them to destroy this country is beyond me. I am so glad I do not have any children; buecause it is the children who will suffer in the years to come.

]]> by: Doug Hughes http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-483353 Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:57:29 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-483353 I find myself wondering what it means that the administration will spend effort in the 11th hour of the inquisition trying to prevent the release of Gitmo prisoners. While I do not doubt that some of these people will try to hurt the US if released, that's true of a lot of people - more than there were before Bush implemented torture as policy. I wonder if they don't present the same threat as a rape victim after the deed is done. If she is freed she will tell what happened and who did it, which is why rape victims often finish up as murder victims. Bush would find it akward to explain a succession of suicide victims. (I undertand he hanged himself, but how did he tie his hands behind his back?) So is the reason for confinement w/out honest representation simply part of a cover-up? Which begs the question - what would they have to say? I find myself wondering what it means that the administration will spend effort in the 11th hour of the inquisition trying to prevent the release of Gitmo prisoners. While I do not doubt that some of these people will try to hurt the US if released, that’s true of a lot of people - more than there were before Bush implemented torture as policy.

I wonder if they don’t present the same threat as a rape victim after the deed is done. If she is freed she will tell what happened and who did it, which is why rape victims often finish up as murder victims.

Bush would find it akward to explain a succession of suicide victims. (I undertand he hanged himself, but how did he tie his hands behind his back?) So is the reason for confinement w/out honest representation simply part of a cover-up?

Which begs the question - what would they have to say?

]]> by: justme http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-483289 Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:34:58 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-483289 Perhaps years from now, when Americans want to wake up and see what the hell happened they will turn investigators loose on the bush cheney criminal empire and they themselves will be waterboarded(what? Its NOT torture right?) by authorities to get to the whole truth. And if it so righteous why not apply it to presidential candidates before they take office to be sure their intent is honest?We could have saved ourselves the grief of the past 8 years had we done that in 1999 because bush never would have run if he had known he might have to actually earn the job by honest means....set up the dunk tanks at the debates! Lets not rush to judgement on this too fast about being humane to everyone...perhaps bush/cheney administration would know better than any of us that not all people are worthy of being treated human. I wonder how fast righties who are now "pro" torture will change their minds about it when they are no longer the ones in charge of torture? Maybe we shouldn't close those black sites just yet,, the American people are owed a lot of answers. If the people whom our government torture don't themselves think it is torture and have spent years saying so, is it still torture?I am just askin Perhaps years from now, when Americans want to wake up and see what the hell happened they will turn investigators loose on the bush cheney criminal empire and they themselves will be waterboarded(what? Its NOT torture right?) by authorities to get to the whole truth.

And if it so righteous why not apply it to presidential candidates before they take office to be sure their intent is honest?We could have saved ourselves the grief of the past 8 years had we done that in 1999 because bush never would have run if he had known he might have to actually earn the job by honest means….set up the dunk tanks at the debates!

Lets not rush to judgement on this too fast about being humane to everyone…perhaps bush/cheney administration would know better than any of us that not all people are worthy of being treated human. I wonder how fast righties who are now “pro” torture will change their minds about it when they are no longer the ones in charge of torture?

Maybe we shouldn’t close those black sites just yet,, the American people are owed a lot of answers.

If the people whom our government torture don’t themselves think it is torture and have spent years saying so, is it still torture?I am just askin

]]> by: biggerbox http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-483145 Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:04:00 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-483145 It occurs to me that this really reinforces the question of independence in the Gitmo detainee hearings. It's already an issue that the officers are under command authority of the executive. Establishing a procedure where the careers of JAGS are in direct control of political appointees seems to me to make 'independence' even more fictional. Since the White House really wants kangaroo courts, having the JAGs in their pouch, er, pocket, is important to them. I hope the Supreme Court disposes of this nonsense. It occurs to me that this really reinforces the question of independence in the Gitmo detainee hearings. It’s already an issue that the officers are under command authority of the executive. Establishing a procedure where the careers of JAGS are in direct control of political appointees seems to me to make ‘independence’ even more fictional.

Since the White House really wants kangaroo courts, having the JAGs in their pouch, er, pocket, is important to them. I hope the Supreme Court disposes of this nonsense.

]]> by: erinyes http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-483070 Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:26:31 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-483070 Well Maha, after reading your latest 2 posts along with information I have read across the blogosphere I have reached the conclusion that NOTHING will be done about ridding the world of the Bush/Cheney train wreck. Much like a very bad flu-bug, we will need to sweat, shake, and shiver with the virus none will combat. We will continue to be bombarded with useless celebrity gossip, jingoistic slogans, and bullshit reporting about how well things in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the financial world are as the nation sinks into recession, both financially and morally. This week in central Florida, a derranged man entered an insurance office, doused two women (one pregnant) with gasoline, and set them on fire. He then shot a man who was trying to aid the women in the face.The murder rate in Orlando is off the charts.Miami? Fugget-a BOUD it! Last week, a young man in Colorado killed a number of church-goers and was himself shot dead by a church security officer. This is one f'ed up country. Praise the lord............... Well Maha, after reading your latest 2 posts along with information I have read across the blogosphere I have reached the conclusion that NOTHING will be done about ridding the world of the Bush/Cheney train wreck. Much like a very bad flu-bug, we will need to sweat, shake, and shiver with the virus none will combat.

We will continue to be bombarded with useless celebrity gossip, jingoistic slogans, and bullshit reporting about how well things in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the financial world are as the nation sinks into recession, both financially and morally.

This week in central Florida, a derranged man entered an insurance office, doused two women (one pregnant) with gasoline, and set them on fire. He then shot a man who was trying to aid the women in the face.The murder rate in Orlando is off the charts.Miami? Fugget-a BOUD it!
Last week, a young man in Colorado killed a number of church-goers and was himself shot dead by a church security officer.
This is one f’ed up country.
Praise the lord……………

]]> by: Checks And Balances — Who Oversees The FISA Court? http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-483017 Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:35:57 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-483017 [...] Other blogger opinions: Talking Points Memo; The Mahablog [...] […] Other blogger opinions: Talking Points Memo; The Mahablog […]

]]> by: khughes1963 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-482984 Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:44:18 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-482984 I have to say that I am not surprised by the way the administration wants to take control of the promotional process to ensure that only JAGs who kowtow to the administration get promoted. It's simply another way to make sure the ranks of the service and the government are stacked with Bush's supporters. We've already seen what they did to Navy Lt. Commander Charles Swift when they refused to promote him for actually doing his job as an attorney and serving as an advocate for his client. No one in the present administration, and very few in Congress or the mainstream press actually seem to possess the spine to stand up to this administration and its crimes. I have to say that I am not surprised by the way the administration wants to take control of the promotional process to ensure that only JAGs who kowtow to the administration get promoted. It’s simply another way to make sure the ranks of the service and the government are stacked with Bush’s supporters. We’ve already seen what they did to Navy Lt. Commander Charles Swift when they refused to promote him for actually doing his job as an attorney and serving as an advocate for his client.

No one in the present administration, and very few in Congress or the mainstream press actually seem to possess the spine to stand up to this administration and its crimes.

]]> by: biggerbox http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-482959 Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:12:08 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2007/12/15/control-freaks/#comment-482959 Well, if the JAG corps needs a political commissariat, where better to have them report than Party HQ at the Kremlin? Er, White House. (I get so confused sometimes. Forgive me, I was educated before the glorious revolution to think that only evil totalitarian dictatorships did things like that. Now, of course, I see how important it is that President has all power, so that he can protect us from Eastasia.) Well, if the JAG corps needs a political commissariat, where better to have them report than Party HQ at the Kremlin? Er, White House.

(I get so confused sometimes. Forgive me, I was educated before the glorious revolution to think that only evil totalitarian dictatorships did things like that. Now, of course, I see how important it is that President has all power, so that he can protect us from Eastasia.)

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