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	<title>Comments on: Repudiations</title>
	<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/05/repudiations/</link>
	<description>Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration.</description>
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		<title>by: hettiemae</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/05/repudiations/#comment-521829</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Obama is not a liberal or a progressive.  If his sucking up to Liebermann and McCain when he got elected to the Senate is not proof of that I don't know what is. Why is he not questioned about not calling any hearings of the subcommittee he chairs? What has he done except get his name and face out in the news every day? He talks a good talk, but if he walks the walk, I've never seen or heard of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Obama is not a liberal or a progressive.  If his sucking up to Liebermann and McCain when he got elected to the Senate is not proof of that I don&#8217;t know what is. Why is he not questioned about not calling any hearings of the subcommittee he chairs? What has he done except get his name and face out in the news every day? He talks a good talk, but if he walks the walk, I&#8217;ve never seen or heard of it.
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		<title>by: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/05/repudiations/#comment-521558</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi, Maha.  So glad to see your site back up.  So glad that Iowa is over, but it sure was fun and rewarding.  
I think a lot of people are wanting to place Obama into old comfortably known categories....t'aint gonna happen very easily, IMHO.  But, hey, this is surely a more awakened country right now.  Let's see how it washes out.  As I have said before, Obama's very candidancy has done much for the country, whatever the long-range results of the primary and general......this guy has set up some new benchmarks that others are emulating as more and more folks are thinking of what a change process entails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi, Maha.  So glad to see your site back up.  So glad that Iowa is over, but it sure was fun and rewarding.<br />
I think a lot of people are wanting to place Obama into old comfortably known categories&#8230;.t&#8217;aint gonna happen very easily, IMHO.  But, hey, this is surely a more awakened country right now.  Let&#8217;s see how it washes out.  As I have said before, Obama&#8217;s very candidancy has done much for the country, whatever the long-range results of the primary and general&#8230;&#8230;this guy has set up some new benchmarks that others are emulating as more and more folks are thinking of what a change process entails.
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		<title>by: wonkie</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/05/repudiations/#comment-521556</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sheesh.

We've got a great gift horse but so many people feel so compelled to look him in the mouth.

Looking for what? Signs of impurity.  And, while examining the candidate for the minutest impurities, and dragging them out to say, &quot;See! I knew he wasn't for real!&quot;

A lot of this is just the tension of choosing a candidate.  I'm pretty sure that we all will come together behind whoever gets nominated.

But I think that the majority of suspicion/hostility towards Obama comes from an emotinal reaction to his style.  Many activist Democrats are very well informed (even obsessively) and very, very focused on policies and issues.  I know that I am like that.  I think that, in general, people who are very concerned, about and well informed about, issues tend to be immune to and suspicious of charisma.  The assumption is that, if a candidate is appealing to emotions, then the candidate must be a fake, an empty suit, or untrustworthy.

And quite often charismatic candidates are fakes.  Of course, quite often politicians who talk issues are fakes, too. 

Bottom line is that people like us don't determine the outcome of elections.  To win an election the Democratic candidate needs to get the support of people like us AND the support of people who process information very differently and response to stimuli very differently than we do.

An awful lot of people respond to perceived trustworthhiness.  They vote for the candidate that they like as a person.  To me, that's a dumb way to pick a President, but the fact is that many people do vote that way and you can't win with out them.

Obama has that appeal.  He's a gift to us, a winner.  So I don't give a flip if there is petty little difference between his proposal on an issue and Edwards's--Congress writes laws anyway, not Presidents, and I don't care if I, personally , don't like charisma--other people do.

We've got three good candidates.  Hillary is handicapped, in my opinion, by history. She is too traumatized by abuse to be able to correctly identify where the center is in politics any more.  Edwards is, in my opinion, a great guy who says the right things, but he doesn't seem to be catching on outside our base.  Obama is, in my opinion, in between Hillary and Edwards in terms of his positions, but he is a house on fire politically.  People like him, people who were either indiffferent to politics or new to politics,  people who wouldn't normally vote for a Democrat, and people who always vote for Democrats, hell, the press even likes him.

So I don't see much point in the carping and suspicion.  He's a great candidate.  Let's win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sheesh.</p>
	<p>We&#8217;ve got a great gift horse but so many people feel so compelled to look him in the mouth.</p>
	<p>Looking for what? Signs of impurity.  And, while examining the candidate for the minutest impurities, and dragging them out to say, &#8220;See! I knew he wasn&#8217;t for real!&#8221;</p>
	<p>A lot of this is just the tension of choosing a candidate.  I&#8217;m pretty sure that we all will come together behind whoever gets nominated.</p>
	<p>But I think that the majority of suspicion/hostility towards Obama comes from an emotinal reaction to his style.  Many activist Democrats are very well informed (even obsessively) and very, very focused on policies and issues.  I know that I am like that.  I think that, in general, people who are very concerned, about and well informed about, issues tend to be immune to and suspicious of charisma.  The assumption is that, if a candidate is appealing to emotions, then the candidate must be a fake, an empty suit, or untrustworthy.</p>
	<p>And quite often charismatic candidates are fakes.  Of course, quite often politicians who talk issues are fakes, too. </p>
	<p>Bottom line is that people like us don&#8217;t determine the outcome of elections.  To win an election the Democratic candidate needs to get the support of people like us AND the support of people who process information very differently and response to stimuli very differently than we do.</p>
	<p>An awful lot of people respond to perceived trustworthhiness.  They vote for the candidate that they like as a person.  To me, that&#8217;s a dumb way to pick a President, but the fact is that many people do vote that way and you can&#8217;t win with out them.</p>
	<p>Obama has that appeal.  He&#8217;s a gift to us, a winner.  So I don&#8217;t give a flip if there is petty little difference between his proposal on an issue and Edwards&#8217;s&#8211;Congress writes laws anyway, not Presidents, and I don&#8217;t care if I, personally , don&#8217;t like charisma&#8211;other people do.</p>
	<p>We&#8217;ve got three good candidates.  Hillary is handicapped, in my opinion, by history. She is too traumatized by abuse to be able to correctly identify where the center is in politics any more.  Edwards is, in my opinion, a great guy who says the right things, but he doesn&#8217;t seem to be catching on outside our base.  Obama is, in my opinion, in between Hillary and Edwards in terms of his positions, but he is a house on fire politically.  People like him, people who were either indiffferent to politics or new to politics,  people who wouldn&#8217;t normally vote for a Democrat, and people who always vote for Democrats, hell, the press even likes him.</p>
	<p>So I don&#8217;t see much point in the carping and suspicion.  He&#8217;s a great candidate.  Let&#8217;s win.
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		<title>by: Thudfactor &#187; The Iowa caucus makes a difference</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/05/repudiations/#comment-521553</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] But that&amp;#8217;s not the only reason. I think a major contributor was Obama&amp;#8217;s victory speech. Progressives have been arguing for some time that progressive values are American values, and we&amp;#8217;ve been turned off of Obama because he&amp;#8217;s been speaking the language of &amp;#8220;unity&amp;#8221; and &amp;#8220;bipartisanship.&amp;#8221; The last seven years have made &amp;#8220;unity&amp;#8221; and &amp;#8220;bipartisanship&amp;#8221; sound a lot like &amp;#8220;we do what the Republicans say.&amp;#8221; Look, for example, at Lieberman. Or Harry Reid pushing Republican telecom immunity bills over the objections of Chris Dodd. Or the fact that the Democrats have managed to do almost nothing about the war in Iraq. As Maha says:  The truth is, our greatest fear is that Barack Obama will turn out to be another Hillary Clinton — all centrist caution and status quo bias. [ Repudiations ] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] But that&#8217;s not the only reason. I think a major contributor was Obama&#8217;s victory speech. Progressives have been arguing for some time that progressive values are American values, and we&#8217;ve been turned off of Obama because he&#8217;s been speaking the language of &#8220;unity&#8221; and &#8220;bipartisanship.&#8221; The last seven years have made &#8220;unity&#8221; and &#8220;bipartisanship&#8221; sound a lot like &#8220;we do what the Republicans say.&#8221; Look, for example, at Lieberman. Or Harry Reid pushing Republican telecom immunity bills over the objections of Chris Dodd. Or the fact that the Democrats have managed to do almost nothing about the war in Iraq. As Maha says:  The truth is, our greatest fear is that Barack Obama will turn out to be another Hillary Clinton — all centrist caution and status quo bias. [ Repudiations ] [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Silver Owl</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/05/repudiations/#comment-521547</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The silly fools on the right should be concerned about their own repudiation.   It's looking like the American voters, by a nice majority, are going to be kicking their arses to the curb.  

The fact that the younger voters and the independents came out in such high numbers is indeed a repudiation, not of the democratic candidates but of what the modern republican has delivered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The silly fools on the right should be concerned about their own repudiation.   It&#8217;s looking like the American voters, by a nice majority, are going to be kicking their arses to the curb.  </p>
	<p>The fact that the younger voters and the independents came out in such high numbers is indeed a repudiation, not of the democratic candidates but of what the modern republican has delivered.
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		<title>by: Chief</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/05/repudiations/#comment-521525</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I never saw a hint of anything by Olberman that was anti-Obama bias.  And as much as I like Obama, he is not my first choice as a Dem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I never saw a hint of anything by Olberman that was anti-Obama bias.  And as much as I like Obama, he is not my first choice as a Dem.
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		<title>by: Suburban Guerrilla &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Repudiations</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/05/repudiations/#comment-521514</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Mahabarb on the Iowa results - and the bobblehead responses. She sums up thusly: The truth is, our greatest fear is that Barack Obama will turn out to be another Hillary Clinton — all centrist caution and status quo bias. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] Mahabarb on the Iowa results - and the bobblehead responses. She sums up thusly: The truth is, our greatest fear is that Barack Obama will turn out to be another Hillary Clinton — all centrist caution and status quo bias. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: tom maguire</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/05/repudiations/#comment-521511</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Re Obama and the left, Obama and the i&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bluemassgroup.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9650&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;conic Paul Krugman&lt;/a&gt; have been at odds over Obama's health care plan.

And Obama has been echoing right-wing talking points in calling for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reachm.com/amstreet/archives/2007/11/11/paul-krugman-joins-atrios-in-wondering-how-dumb-obama-can-really-be/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Social Security reform&lt;/a&gt;.

But you are sort of right - in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/3/143020/2314/716/429493&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kos reader polls&lt;/a&gt;, Obama is consistently second, trailing only Edwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re Obama and the left, Obama and the i<a href="http://www.bluemassgroup.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9650" rel="nofollow">conic Paul Krugman</a> have been at odds over Obama&#8217;s health care plan.</p>
	<p>And Obama has been echoing right-wing talking points in calling for <a href="http://www.reachm.com/amstreet/archives/2007/11/11/paul-krugman-joins-atrios-in-wondering-how-dumb-obama-can-really-be/" rel="nofollow">Social Security reform</a>.</p>
	<p>But you are sort of right - in the <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/3/143020/2314/716/429493" rel="nofollow">Kos reader polls</a>, Obama is consistently second, trailing only Edwards.
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		<title>by: Hillary Clinton &#187; Repudiations</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/05/repudiations/#comment-521470</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Here&amp;#8217;s another interesting post I read today by The Mahablog [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] Here&#8217;s another interesting post I read today by The Mahablog [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Hot Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Repudiations</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/05/repudiations/#comment-521467</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Original post by The Mahablog [...]</description>
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