Comments on: Demographics http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/ Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration. Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:58:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: I-Mac Obama http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525315 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:32:04 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525315 [...] Como decía acá Patricio, la campaña de Obama hasta ahora tiene como una de sus grandes fortalezas que está mobilizando cantidades nunca vistas de gente muy joven, votantes primerizos. (Según números citados en The Mahablog,, en las internas de Iowa fue a votar 90% más de gente que en el 2004, 83% en Carolina del Sur, y en Nevada se pasó de 9.000 personas en 2004 a 118.000.) [...] […] Como decía acá Patricio, la campaña de Obama hasta ahora tiene como una de sus grandes fortalezas que está mobilizando cantidades nunca vistas de gente muy joven, votantes primerizos. (Según números citados en The Mahablog,, en las internas de Iowa fue a votar 90% más de gente que en el 2004, 83% en Carolina del Sur, y en Nevada se pasó de 9.000 personas en 2004 a 118.000.) […]

]]> by: Kyle http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525222 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:10:26 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525222 <i>I think that they are fearful because they are shat upon a lot, and because a lot about their lives is insecure, and they sense (fairly rightly) that the existing power structure is not friendly to them. </i> Their fearfulness I can understand. What is inexplicable is why the Bufords of the world align themselves with the party of untrammelled corporate power and the power structure status quo, that virtually guarantee the perpetuation of their limited lot in life for their children. And are so droolingly susceptible to the scapegoating cultural-pandering propaganda of tools like Limbaugh. Stockholm Syndrome? I think that they are fearful because they are shat upon a lot, and because a lot about their lives is insecure, and they sense (fairly rightly) that the existing power structure is not friendly to them.

Their fearfulness I can understand. What is inexplicable is why the Bufords of the world align themselves with the party of untrammelled corporate power and the power structure status quo, that virtually guarantee the perpetuation of their limited lot in life for their children. And are so droolingly susceptible to the scapegoating cultural-pandering propaganda of tools like Limbaugh. Stockholm Syndrome?

]]> by: KingGeorgeTheTenth http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525213 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:33:33 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525213 Does anyone else think the Republican party is going the way of the whigs? Despite the fact that Hispanics and other non-white immigrants are now the fastest growing component of America (and the one reason our population has not been reducing like Western and Norther European population) all they can manage is a bunch of hyperbole about immigration, fences, monitors, Saint Reagan, and largely unfounded threats of terror. It could be that a third party will rip the Republican party open and bury it for good. Its clear at least that the Republicans have become the party of the old white man and it is unlikely they will last in the 21st Century. Does anyone else think the Republican party is going the way of the whigs? Despite the fact that Hispanics and other non-white immigrants are now the fastest growing component of America (and the one reason our population has not been reducing like Western and Norther European population) all they can manage is a bunch of hyperbole about immigration, fences, monitors, Saint Reagan, and largely unfounded threats of terror. It could be that a third party will rip the Republican party open and bury it for good. Its clear at least that the Republicans have become the party of the old white man and it is unlikely they will last in the 21st Century.

]]> by: KingGeorgeTheTenth http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525211 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:22:30 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525211 I still think Romney becomes the nominee just because he has so much money to dip into and for whatever reason the conservative money parties that control the Republicans don't like McCain's independence. I still think Romney becomes the nominee just because he has so much money to dip into and for whatever reason the conservative money parties that control the Republicans don’t like McCain’s independence.

]]> by: sniflheim http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525200 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:08:13 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525200 <i>“The Democrats have left the working people,” Mr. Moss said.</i> Something to unpack. How many Mr. Mosses say this because of Nafta etc. and how many because of that Cadillac-driving welfare queen that took all our money and bought vodka with it using food stamps? “The Democrats have left the working people,” Mr. Moss said.

Something to unpack. How many Mr. Mosses say this because of Nafta etc. and how many because of that Cadillac-driving welfare queen that took all our money and bought vodka with it using food stamps?

]]> by: Doug Hughes http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525183 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:46:53 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525183 It just occurred to me - and it was implicit in the debate last night whenMcCain mentioned Romenys attack ads on Gov. Huckabee and himself, that Governor Huckabee KNOWS thet he will split the conservative vote. Huckabee KNOWS he will give the nomination to McCain by staying in past SuperTuesday. Huckabee KNOWS he can't beat Romney for the nomination, but he can deprive Romney of the nomination, and so he will get the last laugh when he returns to Arkansas. And Romney will probably never realize that the tactics he used are the reason for his defeat and has only himself to blame. It just occurred to me - and it was implicit in the debate last night whenMcCain mentioned Romenys attack ads on Gov. Huckabee and himself, that Governor Huckabee KNOWS thet he will split the conservative vote. Huckabee KNOWS he will give the nomination to McCain by staying in past SuperTuesday. Huckabee KNOWS he can’t beat Romney for the nomination, but he can deprive Romney of the nomination, and so he will get the last laugh when he returns to Arkansas. And Romney will probably never realize that the tactics he used are the reason for his defeat and has only himself to blame.

]]> by: Doug Hughes http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525182 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:09:02 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525182 I have a huge respect for McCain though I disagree on ISSUES. I do not think he is a corporate tool. In a matchup between him and Hillory, I am not sure who would get more corporate favor. He worked across the aisle to take a crack at campaign finance reform. I'm not going to vote for him, but I will not demonize him. He is wildly unpopular with huge factions of the Republican party. I predict that there WILL be a 3rd party candidate, possible to the right of McCain on immigration, and more appealing to bible-thumpers. This will guarantee victory for the Democratic candidate. I have a huge respect for McCain though I disagree on ISSUES. I do not think he is a corporate tool. In a matchup between him and Hillory, I am not sure who would get more corporate favor. He worked across the aisle to take a crack at campaign finance reform. I’m not going to vote for him, but I will not demonize him.

He is wildly unpopular with huge factions of the Republican party. I predict that there WILL be a 3rd party candidate, possible to the right of McCain on immigration, and more appealing to bible-thumpers. This will guarantee victory for the Democratic candidate.

]]> by: Marshall http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525175 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:33:13 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525175 "We could spend all day speculating why America’s rural and small town white men are such a fearful lot, " I think that they are fearful because they are shat upon a lot, and because a lot about their lives is insecure, and they sense (fairly rightly) that the existing power structure is not friendly to them. Their fathers probably didn't like JFK much, either, if that is any consolation. (One of my earliest political memories is listening to my dairy farmer Uncle blast JFK, back when he was President.) “We could spend all day speculating why America’s rural and small town white men are such a fearful lot, ”

I think that they are fearful because they are shat upon a lot, and because a lot about their lives is insecure, and they sense (fairly rightly) that the existing power structure is not friendly to them. Their fathers probably didn’t like JFK much, either, if that is any consolation. (One of my earliest political memories is listening to my dairy farmer Uncle blast JFK, back when he was President.)

]]> by: wallyboy53 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525065 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:05:23 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525065 Maha, I read Joe Bageant's book, "Dear Hunting with Jesus", and I can't help but recall the gap he documented between those of us who have had the good fortune to go to college and those whose horizons did not turn out to be as high. The shame of it is that these folks should be the natural allies of politics seeking to offer universal health care, not waste their children's vitality in senseless military adventures, and improve everybody's children's access to higher education. Joe seemed to express worry that they are alienated by the elite posturing of the cosmopolitans among us, and become ripe for manipulation by the right to vote against their own best interest because they are embraced by no one else... I share your worry that neither Dem '08 candidate is well poised to offer an embrace to the deer hunters in the electorate. Maha,
I read Joe Bageant’s book, “Dear Hunting with Jesus”, and I can’t help but recall the gap he documented between those of us who have had the good fortune to go to college and those whose horizons did not turn out to be as high. The shame of it is that these folks should be the natural allies of politics seeking to offer universal health care, not waste their children’s vitality in senseless military adventures, and improve everybody’s children’s access to higher education. Joe seemed to express worry that they are alienated by the elite posturing of the cosmopolitans among us, and become ripe for manipulation by the right to vote against their own best interest because they are embraced by no one else… I share your worry that neither Dem ‘08 candidate is well poised to offer an embrace to the deer hunters in the electorate.

]]> by: Swami http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525062 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:37:31 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/01/30/demographics/#comment-525062 Maybe they should bring back literacy tests to whittle down McCain's voting base. I think it's been fairly well established that collectively we are an ill informed and easily manipulated electorate,—much to McCain's advantage— but I also think that the radical Islamist extremist terrorist shtick has been beaten to death ,and has lost it's power to manipulate on a large enough scale to deliver the presidency to McCain. McCain represents a continuation of Bush's presidency, and the majority of Americans want that to end. I also think that Bush's deception, lies, and constitutional abuses over the past 7 years has framed this upcoming presidential election as a battle for the soul of America. I can't speak for other's experiences, but for me, I feel something akin to a rape victim in an abstract regard..As an American something precious in my relationship to my country has been taken from me. I feel violated by Bush's lies and betrayals of trust. I suspect others have formed the same perceptions McCain isn't offering a prescription for healing the broken bonds of governance, he's continuing on oblivious the damage caused by Bush. America won't find its way if it follows McCain. Maybe they should bring back literacy tests to whittle down McCain’s voting base.
I think it’s been fairly well established that collectively we are an ill informed and easily manipulated electorate,—much to McCain’s advantage— but I also think that the radical Islamist extremist terrorist shtick has been beaten to death ,and has lost it’s power to manipulate on a large enough scale to deliver the presidency to McCain. McCain represents a continuation of Bush’s presidency, and the majority of Americans want that to end.
I also think that Bush’s deception, lies, and constitutional abuses over the past 7 years has framed this upcoming presidential election as a battle for the soul of America. I can’t speak for other’s experiences, but for me, I feel something akin to a rape victim in an abstract regard..As an American something precious in my relationship to my country has been taken from me. I feel violated by Bush’s lies and betrayals of trust. I suspect others have formed the same perceptions
McCain isn’t offering a prescription for healing the broken bonds of governance, he’s continuing on oblivious the damage caused by Bush. America won’t find its way if it follows McCain.

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