Comments on: Generation Gap http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/ Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:07:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525473 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:32:57 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525473 <i>ya’ll are too young to have seen the Clinton’s spectacular governing record</i> Excuse me? I'm 56 years old. I remember the bleeping Eisenhower Administration. Clinton's governing record was very good -- better than average -- but I wouldn't call it spectacular. I do remember it. Obama has shown a stronger ability to attract independent and moderate Republican voters than Clinton. Clinton, unfortunately, is more likely to unify Republicans to come out and vote against her. I will support either one of them who is the nominee, but I believe Obama would be the stronger candidate in the general election against John McCain. ya’ll are too young to have seen the Clinton’s spectacular governing record

Excuse me? I’m 56 years old. I remember the bleeping Eisenhower Administration.

Clinton’s governing record was very good — better than average — but I wouldn’t call it spectacular. I do remember it.

Obama has shown a stronger ability to attract independent and moderate Republican voters than Clinton. Clinton, unfortunately, is more likely to unify Republicans to come out and vote against her. I will support either one of them who is the nominee, but I believe Obama would be the stronger candidate in the general election against John McCain.

]]> by: Will http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525467 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:52:31 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525467 Obama's empty rhetoric won't work in the general election, uniting the country after 40 years of civil rights backlash, and thinking financial interests will just roll over and let him remake the political system. These are ridiculous ideas, crafted for you. Ya'll are too young to have seen the Clinton's spectacular governing record, but they are the only ones who can handle the media and republicans. You are going to throw the election away, like the Nader people did when he told them there was no difference between the parties. I can't bear it. Obama’s empty rhetoric won’t work in the general election, uniting the country after 40 years of civil rights backlash, and thinking financial interests will just roll over and let him remake the political system. These are ridiculous ideas, crafted for you. Ya’ll are too young to have seen the Clinton’s spectacular governing record, but they are the only ones who can handle the media and republicans. You are going to throw the election away, like the Nader people did when he told them there was no difference between the parties. I can’t bear it.

]]> by: Swami http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525432 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:58:58 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525432 POP QUIZ Healing 101 10 points. Which of our current Presidential candidates has called for the rejection of fear? POP QUIZ Healing 101 10 points.

Which of our current Presidential candidates has called for the rejection of fear?

]]> by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525375 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:21:05 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525375 GRL -- So we've got a choice between someone who might sell us out and someone with a history of selling us out. Fine. If you want a perfect candidate, go live on Fantasy Island. Good-bye. GRL — So we’ve got a choice between someone who might sell us out and someone with a history of selling us out. Fine. If you want a perfect candidate, go live on Fantasy Island. Good-bye.

]]> by: GRL http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525372 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:12:37 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525372 PS...the Reagan comments were the least of it...,it was the generally ignored comments from the same interview about his not being "invested" in the struggles of the 60s-70s that got me riled...As did the cavalier dismissal of Viet Nam as a reference point (I guess being lied about then and NOW really is irrelevant?) Lack of interest in history is not a strength... PS…the Reagan comments were the least of it…,it was the generally ignored comments from the same interview about his not being “invested” in the struggles of the 60s-70s that got me riled…As did the cavalier dismissal of Viet Nam as a reference point (I guess being lied about then and NOW really is irrelevant?) Lack of interest in history is not a strength…

]]> by: GRL http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525371 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:10:08 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525371 Obama is hiding behind a mask that he's cultivated since the age of 14, which he readily acknowledges: "If you don't make them angry, they'll like you." How does that translate into really stopping Republicans?? As for the "youth vote"--expect to be hugely disappointed when his privatizer consultants (Liebman) screw with Social Security...his GOP framing of issues gives him away. He's already conceded a lot of ground, on top of the present Congress already being milquetoasts. You trust this guy??? Don't be fooled...It's all about OBAMA, not YOU!! Short term benefits for him, long time problems for us. Obama is hiding behind a mask that he’s cultivated since the age of 14, which he readily acknowledges: “If you don’t make them angry, they’ll like you.” How does that translate into really stopping Republicans?? As for the “youth vote”–expect to be hugely disappointed when his privatizer consultants (Liebman) screw with Social Security…his GOP framing of issues gives him away. He’s already conceded a lot of ground, on top of the present Congress already being milquetoasts. You trust this guy??? Don’t be fooled…It’s all about OBAMA, not YOU!! Short term benefits for him, long time problems for us.

]]> by: joanr16 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525369 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:41:47 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525369 <i>Feminism is not my fight any more.</i> I turned 50 last summer, so in a way I understand that statement; but I do feel it's still my fight, as long as my niece (who turns 13 this month) is in the world, or her daughters are in the world. What they need, in order to be themselves, I will fight for. So it will be wonderful if the younger voters give us a young, Democratic president in 2008; but I have to wonder... were they too young to vote in 2004? Or did they just not realize that that election was important too? Feminism is not my fight any more.

I turned 50 last summer, so in a way I understand that statement; but I do feel it’s still my fight, as long as my niece (who turns 13 this month) is in the world, or her daughters are in the world. What they need, in order to be themselves, I will fight for.

So it will be wonderful if the younger voters give us a young, Democratic president in 2008; but I have to wonder… were they too young to vote in 2004? Or did they just not realize that that election was important too?

]]> by: Thomas http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525366 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:27:08 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525366 Change? A smile that broad to replace a smirk: a stride, not a swagger: a mind, not a mind-set. Yes We Can! Change? A smile that broad to replace a smirk: a stride, not a swagger: a mind, not a mind-set. Yes We Can!

]]> by: wmr http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525359 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:05:27 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525359 Actually, this is what I had in mind: I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing. Racism, yeah, I remember that, but I also remember that Carter had survived an attack from the Democratic left (Teddy Kennedy) and was still ahead of Reagan until the last week before the election. Where was all that tremendous groundswell sweeping Reagan into office? Note that I said nothing personal about Obama. I don't appreciate the Manchurian candidate crack in responding to me--your standards used to be higher. Actually, this is what I had in mind:

I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.

Racism, yeah, I remember that, but I also remember that Carter had survived an attack from the Democratic left (Teddy Kennedy) and was still ahead of Reagan until the last week before the election. Where was all that tremendous groundswell sweeping Reagan into office?

Note that I said nothing personal about Obama. I don’t appreciate the Manchurian candidate crack in responding to me–your standards used to be higher.

]]> by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525357 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:44:02 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/02/02/generation-gap/#comment-525357 <i>Because that’s not how I remember it.</i> The famous "tax and spend liberal" talking point dates from LBJ's Great Society programs -- lots of racism involved in the backlash to that, of course -- and in 1980 Ronald Reagan was still running on that. Welfare queens? Remember now? I don't agree entirely with what Obama said in that quote, but to try to spin him into some right-wing manchurian candidate because of it is ludicrous. Because that’s not how I remember it.

The famous “tax and spend liberal” talking point dates from LBJ’s Great Society programs — lots of racism involved in the backlash to that, of course — and in 1980 Ronald Reagan was still running on that. Welfare queens? Remember now?

I don’t agree entirely with what Obama said in that quote, but to try to spin him into some right-wing manchurian candidate because of it is ludicrous.

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