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		<title>By: Doug Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/06/why-wingnuts-are-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-529355</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moonbat - I want one of those bumper stickers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moonbat &#8211; I want one of those bumper stickers.</p>
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		<title>By: moonbat</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/06/why-wingnuts-are-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-529346</link>
		<dc:creator>moonbat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope I live long enough to see the how the typical infirmities that come with advancing age, meet up in the current crop of wingnuts as they age, so they can see how their stupid ideas have ruined everything in this country, especially healthcare at a time when they will need it most.

Anyone who thinks our system is great is either: young and healthy, or old and rich. I saw a great saying the other day, that should be made into a bumpersticker: There are two types of Republicans - millionaires and suckers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I live long enough to see the how the typical infirmities that come with advancing age, meet up in the current crop of wingnuts as they age, so they can see how their stupid ideas have ruined everything in this country, especially healthcare at a time when they will need it most.</p>
<p>Anyone who thinks our system is great is either: young and healthy, or old and rich. I saw a great saying the other day, that should be made into a bumpersticker: There are two types of Republicans &#8211; millionaires and suckers.</p>
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		<title>By: dr. luba</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/06/why-wingnuts-are-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-529342</link>
		<dc:creator>dr. luba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The maldistribution of medical specialists is a long standing problem, and has only been getting worse.  Medical education, like most higher education, is getting more and more expensive, as the state shoulders less and less of the cost of running public colleges and universities.  College tuition, in real dollars, has skyrocketed in the last twenty years; so have medical school fees.  Very few doctors graduate debt-free; many have massive debts.

Once out, they realize that, in order to pay off their loans, they have to become a specialist or sub-specialist.  Primary care jobs don&#039;t pay very much (relatively) and, if you&#039;re going to be thirty when you finally finish, and saddled with a few hundred thousand dollars worth of debt, you have to consider these things.

Back in my day, before the Reagan revoultion had run its course and wiped out every last vestige of progressivism in our government, there was a program that would allow new doctors to write off their medical schoool debt in exchange for working in primary care in underserved locations for a number of years.  The program was a good one, and it worked.  So of course it is no more.  

Now many schools steer students to private lenders instead of government loans (kickbacks....), and there is no loan forgiveness.  Are we surprised that medical students choose the beter paying specialties?  Many would love to be in primary care, but just can&#039;t realistically do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The maldistribution of medical specialists is a long standing problem, and has only been getting worse.  Medical education, like most higher education, is getting more and more expensive, as the state shoulders less and less of the cost of running public colleges and universities.  College tuition, in real dollars, has skyrocketed in the last twenty years; so have medical school fees.  Very few doctors graduate debt-free; many have massive debts.</p>
<p>Once out, they realize that, in order to pay off their loans, they have to become a specialist or sub-specialist.  Primary care jobs don&#8217;t pay very much (relatively) and, if you&#8217;re going to be thirty when you finally finish, and saddled with a few hundred thousand dollars worth of debt, you have to consider these things.</p>
<p>Back in my day, before the Reagan revoultion had run its course and wiped out every last vestige of progressivism in our government, there was a program that would allow new doctors to write off their medical schoool debt in exchange for working in primary care in underserved locations for a number of years.  The program was a good one, and it worked.  So of course it is no more.  </p>
<p>Now many schools steer students to private lenders instead of government loans (kickbacks&#8230;.), and there is no loan forgiveness.  Are we surprised that medical students choose the beter paying specialties?  Many would love to be in primary care, but just can&#8217;t realistically do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work with and know a lot of folks in the existing &#039;market driven&#039; health care system, doctors, nurses, physical and respiratory therapists, and so forth.   
Seems to me that the day when the sanity of universal single payer health care replaces the market system [profiteering entities replaced], then we will witness a resurgence of good quality care, even in spite of there being shortages in numbers of trained caregivers in the early transition times.  I say this because those folks I know are burnt out with the pressures of paperwork, with making care &#039;align&#039; with the demands of insurance company strategies, and with being very overworked by the &#039;market&#039; push to get fewer employees to do more work, and without additional pay.

We need to put the honorable professionalism back into this system so that those who have a calling to serve the health needs of the sick and injured and frail will not simply be used by profiteers who could care less about the nobility of service to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work with and know a lot of folks in the existing &#8216;market driven&#8217; health care system, doctors, nurses, physical and respiratory therapists, and so forth.<br />
Seems to me that the day when the sanity of universal single payer health care replaces the market system [profiteering entities replaced], then we will witness a resurgence of good quality care, even in spite of there being shortages in numbers of trained caregivers in the early transition times.  I say this because those folks I know are burnt out with the pressures of paperwork, with making care &#8216;align&#8217; with the demands of insurance company strategies, and with being very overworked by the &#8216;market&#8217; push to get fewer employees to do more work, and without additional pay.</p>
<p>We need to put the honorable professionalism back into this system so that those who have a calling to serve the health needs of the sick and injured and frail will not simply be used by profiteers who could care less about the nobility of service to others.</p>
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		<title>By: www.buzzflash.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.buzzflash.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Why Wingnuts Are Idiots&lt;/strong&gt;

Yesterday I wrote a post about the way our health care system is no longer capable of providing basic, primary care and emergency services to everyone who needs it. There are several causes for this, but the primary cause is that the “system” has b...</description>
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<p>Yesterday I wrote a post about the way our health care system is no longer capable of providing basic, primary care and emergency services to everyone who needs it. There are several causes for this, but the primary cause is that the “system” has b&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: WereBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>WereBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have to stop worrying about the Right Wing freaking out.

a) It&#039;s what they do.

b) It&#039;s all they do.

c) It&#039;s starting to lose its luster.

After their Second Great Experiment (Prohibition being the first, and we all know how that one turned out) we once again have an opportunity to defuse their whining and just let them scream.

I would give a lot for one talking head, for one show, to counter their talking points with, &quot;But you were wrong about that, and that, and that. Why should we listen to you now?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have to stop worrying about the Right Wing freaking out.</p>
<p>a) It&#8217;s what they do.</p>
<p>b) It&#8217;s all they do.</p>
<p>c) It&#8217;s starting to lose its luster.</p>
<p>After their Second Great Experiment (Prohibition being the first, and we all know how that one turned out) we once again have an opportunity to defuse their whining and just let them scream.</p>
<p>I would give a lot for one talking head, for one show, to counter their talking points with, &#8220;But you were wrong about that, and that, and that. Why should we listen to you now?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: c u n d gulag</title>
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		<dc:creator>c u n d gulag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact is, that no matter what solution(s) we choose, there will be adjustment&#039;s and certain ramification&#039;s.
We know that the idiot-Right will freak out, and point out any shortcoming&#039;s.
Health Care is one case where we must, &#039;stay the course....&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact is, that no matter what solution(s) we choose, there will be adjustment&#8217;s and certain ramification&#8217;s.<br />
We know that the idiot-Right will freak out, and point out any shortcoming&#8217;s.<br />
Health Care is one case where we must, &#8217;stay the course&#8230;.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, we are going to have to come to grips with reality here. When we elect a president who implements health care for all, there is going to be a shortage of doctors. I disagree with Barbare on &#039;several years to build the medical infrastructure&#039;. It should read a couple of decades. The impact of universal health care on the medical system will be a wingnuts dream - UNLESS we can think  and operate outside the box. 

Let me be clear that I am not suggesting we shortchange anyone who needs care. My favorite person is my 4 year-old daughter, and the preferred pediatrician is not an MD, but an ARPN, if I have the initials right. She&#039;s a highly trained nurse with incredible empathic talents. She also knows what she does not know, so we will get bumped &#039;up&#039; to an MD or specialist when needed. 

While this &#039;nurse&#039; caregiver is gifted, I do not think she&#039;s even close to unique. I&#039;m told that the floor nurse in a hospital will save patients from malpractice more often than we want to know. To put it simply, she saves the patient from the doctors screwups.

There are a lot of highly trained non-MDs who can handle a huge portion of the primary care work. They only need to be licensed and certified to do it, and trained to recognize when a situation requires the MD. IMO, doctors have held way too much &#039;busy work&#039; that a competent RN could do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, we are going to have to come to grips with reality here. When we elect a president who implements health care for all, there is going to be a shortage of doctors. I disagree with Barbare on &#8217;several years to build the medical infrastructure&#8217;. It should read a couple of decades. The impact of universal health care on the medical system will be a wingnuts dream &#8211; UNLESS we can think  and operate outside the box. </p>
<p>Let me be clear that I am not suggesting we shortchange anyone who needs care. My favorite person is my 4 year-old daughter, and the preferred pediatrician is not an MD, but an ARPN, if I have the initials right. She&#8217;s a highly trained nurse with incredible empathic talents. She also knows what she does not know, so we will get bumped &#8216;up&#8217; to an MD or specialist when needed. </p>
<p>While this &#8216;nurse&#8217; caregiver is gifted, I do not think she&#8217;s even close to unique. I&#8217;m told that the floor nurse in a hospital will save patients from malpractice more often than we want to know. To put it simply, she saves the patient from the doctors screwups.</p>
<p>There are a lot of highly trained non-MDs who can handle a huge portion of the primary care work. They only need to be licensed and certified to do it, and trained to recognize when a situation requires the MD. IMO, doctors have held way too much &#8216;busy work&#8217; that a competent RN could do.</p>
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		<title>By: biggerbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>biggerbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, you have a good point, maha, but after reading that Hewitt post, I despair. I don&#039;t know which is worse, that Hewitt&#039;s listeners are so eager to label Hillary a liar that they imagine that bookbags and armbands didn&#039;t exist in 1968, or that Hewitt claims that at the age of 12 he wasn&#039;t aware of such things, and couldn&#039;t possibly have an opinion. I was 8, and I remember such things clearly. Was he living in a cave? (Perhaps so, given his attitudes.)

We can&#039;t even have consensus about the historical reality of bookbags and armbands? On college campuses in the 60s? Are they kidding? No wonder they can&#039;t wrap their heads around the idea that the shortage of primary care doctors has been there all along, it&#039;s just now distributed differently and therefore more obvious to them. 

c u n d, imbecile is too polite a word for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, you have a good point, maha, but after reading that Hewitt post, I despair. I don&#8217;t know which is worse, that Hewitt&#8217;s listeners are so eager to label Hillary a liar that they imagine that bookbags and armbands didn&#8217;t exist in 1968, or that Hewitt claims that at the age of 12 he wasn&#8217;t aware of such things, and couldn&#8217;t possibly have an opinion. I was 8, and I remember such things clearly. Was he living in a cave? (Perhaps so, given his attitudes.)</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t even have consensus about the historical reality of bookbags and armbands? On college campuses in the 60s? Are they kidding? No wonder they can&#8217;t wrap their heads around the idea that the shortage of primary care doctors has been there all along, it&#8217;s just now distributed differently and therefore more obvious to them. </p>
<p>c u n d, imbecile is too polite a word for them.</p>
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		<title>By: ShortWoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShortWoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of framing, can we stop calling the Massachusetts plan &quot;universal health care&quot;?  The correct term is &quot;mandatory health insurance.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of framing, can we stop calling the Massachusetts plan &#8220;universal health care&#8221;?  The correct term is &#8220;mandatory health insurance.&#8221;</p>
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