Comments on: Penned http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/07/penned/ Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:43:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: WereBear http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/07/penned/#comment-529393 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:49:47 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/07/penned/#comment-529393 Penn is the biggest symptom of what I feel is a disease of both Clintons; they have not kept up with the times. Triangulation is out, making fun of Republicans is in. People have had over a decade to think about certain things, and come to a conclusion. The same magic tricks that distracted them at the time are wearing thin. A substantial portion of the electorate have moved their buttons, and the Clintons keeping poking places that get no reaction. I mean, losing some 30 points over the course of your campaign? And then keeping on doing the same things? Either she won't adapt or she can't adapt, and either way, that means she's not evolved enough to be President. Penn is the biggest symptom of what I feel is a disease of both Clintons; they have not kept up with the times.

Triangulation is out, making fun of Republicans is in.

People have had over a decade to think about certain things, and come to a conclusion. The same magic tricks that distracted them at the time are wearing thin.

A substantial portion of the electorate have moved their buttons, and the Clintons keeping poking places that get no reaction.

I mean, losing some 30 points over the course of your campaign? And then keeping on doing the same things?

Either she won’t adapt or she can’t adapt, and either way, that means she’s not evolved enough to be President.

]]> by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/07/penned/#comment-529371 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:26:54 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/07/penned/#comment-529371 <i>No one’s said whether his advisors or Mrs. Obama are Straussians</i> They aren't. Chill. No one’s said whether his advisors or Mrs. Obama are Straussians

They aren’t. Chill.

]]> by: Ed http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/07/penned/#comment-529369 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:44:41 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/07/penned/#comment-529369 What is surprising about the progressive netroots is the vehemence and intolerance being aimed at other progressives with a different perspective. Certain Clinton supporting sites and their comment communities seem incapable of reasonable arguments based on facts. I watched a 9 minute pro Hillary video posted on Talk Left and Shakespeare's Sister that should be titled Triumph of the Hill. Like propaganda is supposed to do it left comment posters in a highly emotional state. Granted there is plenty of sexist bullshit in our society but criticism of Hillary or Geraldine Ferraro is not equal to sexism if based on sound reasons. Keith Olberman and Josh Marshall are currently targets of vitriol from what had once been considered progressive websites which would usually be reserved for Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. Shouldn't we win back the country first before turning up a nose at doctrinal incorrectness. (I used the term political incorrectness commenting on the evisceration of Josh Marshall on Shakespeare's Sister and I was, ahem, chastised). I have become an Obama supporter over the course of the campaign and where I once felt Hillary was given a bum wrap, her pro McCain comments ended any such sympathies. With Mark Penn she reaped as she sowed. What is surprising about the progressive netroots is the vehemence and intolerance being aimed at other progressives with a different perspective. Certain Clinton supporting sites and their comment communities seem incapable of reasonable arguments based on facts.

I watched a 9 minute pro Hillary video posted on Talk Left and Shakespeare’s Sister that should be titled Triumph of the Hill. Like propaganda is supposed to do it left comment posters in a highly emotional state. Granted there is plenty of sexist bullshit in our society but criticism of Hillary or Geraldine Ferraro is not equal to sexism if based on sound reasons. Keith Olberman and Josh Marshall are currently targets of vitriol from what had once been considered progressive websites which would usually be reserved for Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

Shouldn’t we win back the country first before turning up a nose at doctrinal incorrectness. (I used the term political incorrectness commenting on the evisceration of Josh Marshall on Shakespeare’s Sister and I was, ahem, chastised).

I have become an Obama supporter over the course of the campaign and where I once felt Hillary was given a bum wrap, her pro McCain comments ended any such sympathies. With Mark Penn she reaped as she sowed.

]]> by: cgeye http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/07/penned/#comment-529368 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:30:35 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/07/penned/#comment-529368 "libertarian paternalism"? whoa, doggie -- that sounds like the usual Straussian smoke-and-mirrors -- the elite, through government deregulation, gets to do what it wants, when it wants, but makes sure the lumpen proles get the illusion of choice. No one's said whether his advisors or Mrs. Obama are Straussians -- will it be too late, in August or November, to start having *that* important conversation? “libertarian paternalism”? whoa, doggie — that sounds like the usual Straussian smoke-and-mirrors — the elite, through government deregulation, gets to do what it wants, when it wants, but makes sure the lumpen proles get the illusion of choice.

No one’s said whether his advisors or Mrs. Obama are Straussians — will it be too late, in August or November, to start having *that* important conversation?

]]> by: sniflheim http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/07/penned/#comment-529359 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:35:12 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/07/penned/#comment-529359 Sure I'd be glad to miss him (if he would go way). Meanwhile check out the box-office magic coming soon from Obama's U. of Chicago <a href="http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2008/04/07/libertarian_paternalism/index.html" rel="nofollow">braintrust</a>. Sure I’d be glad to miss him (if he would go way). Meanwhile check out the box-office magic coming soon from Obama’s U. of Chicago braintrust.

]]> by: Lambert Strether, Philadelphia, PA http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/07/penned/#comment-529357 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:23:08 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/07/penned/#comment-529357 Yeah, I could never understand why she'd stick with Penn when the list of trustworthy Democratic consultants not already hired by other campaigns is so damn long. Why there's.... And there's .... And... Er... Well, I hear Bob Shrum is still available! Yeah, I could never understand why she’d stick with Penn when the list of trustworthy Democratic consultants not already hired by other campaigns is so damn long. Why there’s…. And there’s …. And… Er… Well, I hear Bob Shrum is still available!

]]> by: uncledad http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/07/penned/#comment-529348 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:12:26 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/07/penned/#comment-529348 You gotta wonder how effective a manager she could be when, she has as her chief statigest a man who also heads a consulting company. Wouldn't you think she (HRC) would want a list of all the concerns Penn was "consulting" on to make sure no conflicts existed? I tend to think HRC knew about his "consulting" on the columbia deal but was willing to look the other way as long as the press didn't find out. She should have sacked him long ago when he was bringing up BHO's alleged drug use on national TV. I think that was when her campaign really hit the ditch! As an Obama supporter Im glad she kept him on, its been good for his campaign! You gotta wonder how effective a manager she could be when, she has as her chief statigest a man who also heads a consulting company. Wouldn’t you think she (HRC) would want a list of all the concerns Penn was “consulting” on to make sure no conflicts existed? I tend to think HRC knew about his “consulting” on the columbia deal but was willing to look the other way as long as the press didn’t find out.

She should have sacked him long ago when he was bringing up BHO’s alleged drug use on national TV. I think that was when her campaign really hit the ditch! As an Obama supporter Im glad she kept him on, its been good for his campaign!

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