Comments on: Threshold of Hypocrisy http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/ Exposing the ugly truths about the Bush Administration. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:12:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: Longhairedweirdo http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530778 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:27:28 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530778 It's an interesting thing, Gypsy... a lot of reporters are reporting words and not impressions these days. I remember having finally seen Bush give the "if you're concerned about World War III" speech about a possible nuclear Iran, and that smirk/laugh combination was meaningful, but ignored. I've heard that's relatively common... that if you see Bush speak more often, you realize that what's reported isn't entirely accurate, because it only focuses on the words, as if the way the words are spoken doesn't come into play. I'm torn just a bit between being impressed that the Clintons noticed this enough to take advantage of it, and appalled that they're saying it's fair game. It’s an interesting thing, Gypsy… a lot of reporters are reporting words and not impressions these days. I remember having finally seen Bush give the “if you’re concerned about World War III” speech about a possible nuclear Iran, and that smirk/laugh combination was meaningful, but ignored. I’ve heard that’s relatively common… that if you see Bush speak more often, you realize that what’s reported isn’t entirely accurate, because it only focuses on the words, as if the way the words are spoken doesn’t come into play. I’m torn just a bit between being impressed that the Clintons noticed this enough to take advantage of it, and appalled that they’re saying it’s fair game.

]]> by: felicity http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530774 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:25:35 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530774 The Clintons haved focused solely on winning the nomination. In their effort to destroy Obama, they may end up destroying the Democratic Party. Hillary must find something to run on other than her 'vast' experience to defeat McCain. If he distances himself from Bush - which given the idiots 28% approval rating these days - he would be beyond stupid not to do, it'll come down to experience. Hillary loses; we lose. The Clintons haved focused solely on winning the nomination. In their effort to destroy Obama, they may end up destroying the Democratic Party. Hillary must find something to run on other than her ‘vast’ experience to defeat McCain. If he distances himself from Bush - which given the idiots 28% approval rating these days - he would be beyond stupid not to do, it’ll come down to experience. Hillary loses; we lose.

]]> by: gypsy howell http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530772 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:46:32 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530772 "just as dishonest AS that reporter..." “just as dishonest AS that reporter…”

]]> by: gypsy howell http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530770 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:44:53 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530770 I'll just copy & paste what I said over at Lance Mannion's in response to the same story, to save myself the typing: **** I saw Obama make that speech in person during his whistlestop tour in PA on Saturday, and the reporter is quoting it out of context. The line about George Bush was clearly meant to slam Bush, not praise McCain. Obama went on to talk about the failed presidency of George Bush, and emphasized, in great detail, that McCain was going to pursue the same policies, or worse. To the crowd watching the speech, I can assure you it was plain as day what he was saying, and there was absolutely no mistaking what his message was: if you want more of the same, vote for McCain. Having seen Obama deliver the speech live, I was really pissed when I later read the dishonest spin the reporter put on it, trying to suggest that Obama was saying that McCain was somehow an acceptable choice in November. When your choice is to believe the candidates or believe the press, your first choice shouldn't be taking the press' word for it. Surely we've all been burned enough times to know that. *** I will add: if the Clinton folks are now trying to score points out of this, then they are being just as dishonest at that reporter. It was eminently clear what Obama was saying. I’ll just copy & paste what I said over at Lance Mannion’s in response to the same story, to save myself the typing:

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I saw Obama make that speech in person during his whistlestop tour in PA on Saturday, and the reporter is quoting it out of context. The line about George Bush was clearly meant to slam Bush, not praise McCain. Obama went on to talk about the failed presidency of George Bush, and emphasized, in great detail, that McCain was going to pursue the same policies, or worse.

To the crowd watching the speech, I can assure you it was plain as day what he was saying, and there was absolutely no mistaking what his message was: if you want more of the same, vote for McCain.

Having seen Obama deliver the speech live, I was really pissed when I later read the dishonest spin the reporter put on it, trying to suggest that Obama was saying that McCain was somehow an acceptable choice in November.

When your choice is to believe the candidates or believe the press, your first choice shouldn’t be taking the press’ word for it. Surely we’ve all been burned enough times to know that.

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I will add: if the Clinton folks are now trying to score points out of this, then they are being just as dishonest at that reporter. It was eminently clear what Obama was saying.

]]> by: PFT http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530764 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:39:15 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530764 25% of Clinton supporters said they would vote for McCain if Obama got the nomination. I am sure they are not outraged. Technically, he is right about McCain being better than Bush, ever so slightly, since he comes without the Big Dick. Mccain has sold his soul, if he gets elected and double crosses, well, we already know he is not healthy, it should be easy to arrange something 25% of Clinton supporters said they would vote for McCain if Obama got the nomination. I am sure they are not outraged.

Technically, he is right about McCain being better than Bush, ever so slightly, since he comes without the Big Dick. Mccain has sold his soul, if he gets elected and double crosses, well, we already know he is not healthy, it should be easy to arrange something

]]> by: Georgia http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530759 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:22:30 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530759 Hey Check out this Web Series: Fun With War Crimes-Mission Accomplished - Bush on Trial May 1, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXxTooNIsBc Thought you may like it.  If you do please post it!! -Gv Hey Check out this Web Series: Fun With War Crimes-Mission Accomplished - Bush on Trial May 1, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXxTooNIsBc

Thought you may like it.  If you do please post it!!
-Gv

]]> by: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530758 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:11:45 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530758 biggerbox -- you have intelligence? You must be some kind of elitist. :-) biggerbox — you have intelligence? You must be some kind of elitist. :-)

]]> by: biggerbox http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530757 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:59:15 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530757 The thing I find most annoying about the recent Clinton campaign ploys is the way they insult my intelligence. Does she really expect us to have forgotten that last month she told us that McCain had real experience and Obama was just a speech? Does she really expect us to believe that SHE thinks that Obama is "cheering on" McCain? There are plenty of legitimate arguments she could be making to earn the nomination, but this game of twisting and flogging every soundbite in what is clearly an insincere way is just, well, tawdry. The thing I find most annoying about the recent Clinton campaign ploys is the way they insult my intelligence. Does she really expect us to have forgotten that last month she told us that McCain had real experience and Obama was just a speech? Does she really expect us to believe that SHE thinks that Obama is “cheering on” McCain?

There are plenty of legitimate arguments she could be making to earn the nomination, but this game of twisting and flogging every soundbite in what is clearly an insincere way is just, well, tawdry.

]]> by: Doug Hughes http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530732 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:01:49 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530732 The attitude seems to be that to defeat McCain, we must destroy McCain. I disagree & I think it's bad strategy. Here's how you defeat McCain. McCain was against torture before he voted in favor of it. If he was free to choose, McCain would not torture, but he needs the neocon support. So he changed his position. McCain was against the Bush tax cuts he now supports. He took a stand of principle, and was vocal with the reasons he opposed the tax cuts. But now he needs the support of the wealthy Republican faction that is afraid the good times are over. So he changed his position. McCain was outspoken in his criticism of pandering to the religious right. But for this election, he's sucking up big time -including the endorsement of Pastor Hagee which he aggressively courted. Turns out some of Hagees statements are pretty hateful. But McCain has not renounced the endorsement because he needs the evangelicals to turn out in big numbers. So you give the man his due. If he COULD, he would be a highly prinicpled and unortodox president. But he has sacrificed his principles for the Republican nomination. That's truly sad & sadly true.. John McCain the 'maverick' is not running. Do not attack McCain the man! Attack his position on the war. Attack his position on the economy. Attack his position on Health Care. Show how McCain comprimised his principles for the nomination of his party - and is not the radical he wants to pretend he is. If/when the media can portray Obama as abusing an old man in a mean and false way.. we are in trouble in this election. Obama can be fierce as hell on issues and facts, but he MUST look like he respects McCain though he disagrees devoutly. The attitude seems to be that to defeat McCain, we must destroy McCain. I disagree & I think it’s bad strategy. Here’s how you defeat McCain.

McCain was against torture before he voted in favor of it. If he was free to choose, McCain would not torture, but he needs the neocon support. So he changed his position.

McCain was against the Bush tax cuts he now supports. He took a stand of principle, and was vocal with the reasons he opposed the tax cuts. But now he needs the support of the wealthy Republican faction that is afraid the good times are over. So he changed his position.

McCain was outspoken in his criticism of pandering to the religious right. But for this election, he’s sucking up big time -including the endorsement of Pastor Hagee which he aggressively courted. Turns out some of Hagees statements are pretty hateful. But McCain has not renounced the endorsement because he needs the evangelicals to turn out in big numbers.

So you give the man his due. If he COULD, he would be a highly prinicpled and unortodox president. But he has sacrificed his principles for the Republican nomination. That’s truly sad & sadly true.. John McCain the ‘maverick’ is not running.

Do not attack McCain the man!

Attack his position on the war.
Attack his position on the economy.
Attack his position on Health Care.
Show how McCain comprimised his principles for the nomination of his party - and is not the radical he wants to pretend he is.

If/when the media can portray Obama as abusing an old man in a mean and false way.. we are in trouble in this election. Obama can be fierce as hell on issues and facts, but he MUST look like he respects McCain though he disagrees devoutly.

]]> by: clai http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530669 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:09:13 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/21/threshold-of-hypocrisy/#comment-530669 I'm sad to say that in light of their ever increasing connections to corporate America, and to people like Rupert Murdoch and Richard Mellon Scaife and the way they have campaigned this time around, I have had to personally write off the Clintons as Republican-Lite. If she were to become the D nominee, I would vote for he, but I would definitely hold my nose. If Obama becomes the nominee, however, I will vote for him with a pride I haven't had in a presidential nominee since Jimmy Carter. I’m sad to say that in light of their ever increasing connections to corporate America, and to people like Rupert Murdoch and Richard Mellon Scaife and the way they have campaigned this time around, I have had to personally write off the Clintons as Republican-Lite. If she were to become the D nominee, I would vote for he, but I would definitely hold my nose. If Obama becomes the nominee, however, I will vote for him with a pride I haven’t had in a presidential nominee since Jimmy Carter.

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