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		<title>by: PFT</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/08/obamas-fatal-flaws/#comment-537448</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 02:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>So if HRC gets the nomination, black voters will vote for who?

Keep in mind, the Republicans like to do nasty things to black voters in general elections, like caging, which keeps many from voting.

So I think this racial point is overdone when it comes to the general elections.  The Hispanic and Womans votes are equally important in a general election.  While Obama has young voters, HRC seems to do do better with the elderly, who are greater in number and who vote in higher percentages.

Also, Obamas book Dreams From My Father is a disturbing read for any White Working Class voter. There is an element of Racial anger in there that would make those in rural areas a bit concerned.

I don't care much who wins, none of them will bring any change for the better, but they might at least spin things so we feel better about being ripped off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So if HRC gets the nomination, black voters will vote for who?</p>
	<p>Keep in mind, the Republicans like to do nasty things to black voters in general elections, like caging, which keeps many from voting.</p>
	<p>So I think this racial point is overdone when it comes to the general elections.  The Hispanic and Womans votes are equally important in a general election.  While Obama has young voters, HRC seems to do do better with the elderly, who are greater in number and who vote in higher percentages.</p>
	<p>Also, Obamas book Dreams From My Father is a disturbing read for any White Working Class voter. There is an element of Racial anger in there that would make those in rural areas a bit concerned.</p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t care much who wins, none of them will bring any change for the better, but they might at least spin things so we feel better about being ripped off.
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		<title>by: felicity</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/08/obamas-fatal-flaws/#comment-537442</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 20:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Numbers belong on things like bank statements and price tags.  Everywhere else, from polls to unemployment figures to voter preferences,  they become pure abstractions because we don't know how they are arrived at.  At the same time, we 'believe' them because, well, they're numbers, mysterious and unfathomable  (many of us have yet to recover from 4th grade fractions.)

The likes of Mr. Armando will continue to use and abuse them.  

Numbers can be powerful enough to literally shut down the brain of most anybody.  Foreinstance,  Mr. Clinton puts Mr. Obama's 'victory' down as merely because Mr. Obama has 4 times more campaign money to spend than Rodham.  Rather than asking why Obama has more money than Rodham, we accept the 4:1 figure as a reason in itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Numbers belong on things like bank statements and price tags.  Everywhere else, from polls to unemployment figures to voter preferences,  they become pure abstractions because we don&#8217;t know how they are arrived at.  At the same time, we &#8216;believe&#8217; them because, well, they&#8217;re numbers, mysterious and unfathomable  (many of us have yet to recover from 4th grade fractions.)</p>
	<p>The likes of Mr. Armando will continue to use and abuse them.  </p>
	<p>Numbers can be powerful enough to literally shut down the brain of most anybody.  Foreinstance,  Mr. Clinton puts Mr. Obama&#8217;s &#8216;victory&#8217; down as merely because Mr. Obama has 4 times more campaign money to spend than Rodham.  Rather than asking why Obama has more money than Rodham, we accept the 4:1 figure as a reason in itself.
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		<title>by: k</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/08/obamas-fatal-flaws/#comment-537438</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 13:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have long thought that the trouble with Hillary and Bill is that they are great fighters and keep on like energizer bunnies. All Bill really managed to accomplish it seems looking back is that he fought on no matter what was thrown. But did that make a good presidency and was it good for the country? Yes Hillary is a great fighter. But we need some good thoughtful governance again which we have not had in many long years .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have long thought that the trouble with Hillary and Bill is that they are great fighters and keep on like energizer bunnies. All Bill really managed to accomplish it seems looking back is that he fought on no matter what was thrown. But did that make a good presidency and was it good for the country? Yes Hillary is a great fighter. But we need some good thoughtful governance again which we have not had in many long years .
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		<title>by: PurpleGirl</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/08/obamas-fatal-flaws/#comment-537432</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 06:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Obama was not my first choice and Clinton always gets the default point.  But in Novembe I'm voting Democratic no matter who it is. I'm tired of the in-fighting. It's time to start going after McCain. We will not survive if McCain becomes president. My fellow Democrats have to realize this -- we must fight McCain and the GOP. Period. End of sentence. The GOP must not be able to appoint any more federal level judges or Supreme Court justices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Obama was not my first choice and Clinton always gets the default point.  But in Novembe I&#8217;m voting Democratic no matter who it is. I&#8217;m tired of the in-fighting. It&#8217;s time to start going after McCain. We will not survive if McCain becomes president. My fellow Democrats have to realize this &#8212; we must fight McCain and the GOP. Period. End of sentence. The GOP must not be able to appoint any more federal level judges or Supreme Court justices.
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		<title>by: Swami</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/08/obamas-fatal-flaws/#comment-537427</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 01:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;why do we have to divide the electorate into discrete ethnic blocs and work with that frame at a fundamental level?&lt;/i&gt; 

Because politicians exploit our insecurities through their rhetorical subtleties.

A point worth re-telling...Former New York Governor Mario Como once said that when his father arrived in America from Italy among the the first words he learned in English was the word &quot; nigger&quot;. The point was to easily identify by physical characteristic somebody deemed lower by society in social standing then himself, and thereby elevating himself in his perceived social stature and assuaging his insecurities. Insecurity is &quot;always&quot; the operative emotion that creates division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>why do we have to divide the electorate into discrete ethnic blocs and work with that frame at a fundamental level?</i> </p>
	<p>Because politicians exploit our insecurities through their rhetorical subtleties.</p>
	<p>A point worth re-telling&#8230;Former New York Governor Mario Como once said that when his father arrived in America from Italy among the the first words he learned in English was the word &#8221; nigger&#8221;. The point was to easily identify by physical characteristic somebody deemed lower by society in social standing then himself, and thereby elevating himself in his perceived social stature and assuaging his insecurities. Insecurity is &#8220;always&#8221; the operative emotion that creates division.
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		<title>by: biggerbox</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/08/obamas-fatal-flaws/#comment-537425</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 01:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I realize that Hillary's got some whiz-bang calculation about who would make up a winning coalition, (no doubt one crafted by a demographic genius like Mark Penn) but I, for one, am not prepared to see the party do much to court the segment she's talking about. They're notoriously fickle, and prone to poaching by Real Men Republicans waving bloody shirts. I still haven't forgiven them for giving us a string of GOP presidents going all the way back to Reagan.

How about instead we try a new coalition, involving people of all sorts of color, and even ones with education, and all those people who are really, really tired of being pandered to by DC pols?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I realize that Hillary&#8217;s got some whiz-bang calculation about who would make up a winning coalition, (no doubt one crafted by a demographic genius like Mark Penn) but I, for one, am not prepared to see the party do much to court the segment she&#8217;s talking about. They&#8217;re notoriously fickle, and prone to poaching by Real Men Republicans waving bloody shirts. I still haven&#8217;t forgiven them for giving us a string of GOP presidents going all the way back to Reagan.</p>
	<p>How about instead we try a new coalition, involving people of all sorts of color, and even ones with education, and all those people who are really, really tired of being pandered to by DC pols?
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		<title>by: sab</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/08/obamas-fatal-flaws/#comment-537424</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 00:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's silly to read Armando.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s silly to read Armando.
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		<title>by: Shredder</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/08/obamas-fatal-flaws/#comment-537423</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 23:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Stepping back a bit, why do we have to divide the electorate into discrete ethnic blocs and work with that frame at a fundamental level? White this, black that, women this, Nascar dads that, older women, young people, on and on and on. No wonder Obama's message of unity is resonating. This divisive ethnic narrative helps those who benefit from the divisions, i.e. Republicans.

That's the brilliance of Dean's 50-state strategy - it inherently transcends and reframes the ethnic bloc narratives to a place where the Democrats can advocate for the general interest in a way that reveals equally to white women, black men, orange young folks,  green over-50's, what-the-F-ever bloc you want to talk about, that we all have fundamentally the same interest in electing a President who will uphold values that we all share in common - basic fairness, the constitutional separation of powers, never waging unnecessary wars, a role for government in helping the less fortunate, all those things that will highlight the differences between the Democrats who stand up for all Americans and Republicans who stand up for a very narrow slice of wealthy Americans shareholders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Stepping back a bit, why do we have to divide the electorate into discrete ethnic blocs and work with that frame at a fundamental level? White this, black that, women this, Nascar dads that, older women, young people, on and on and on. No wonder Obama&#8217;s message of unity is resonating. This divisive ethnic narrative helps those who benefit from the divisions, i.e. Republicans.</p>
	<p>That&#8217;s the brilliance of Dean&#8217;s 50-state strategy - it inherently transcends and reframes the ethnic bloc narratives to a place where the Democrats can advocate for the general interest in a way that reveals equally to white women, black men, orange young folks,  green over-50&#8217;s, what-the-F-ever bloc you want to talk about, that we all have fundamentally the same interest in electing a President who will uphold values that we all share in common - basic fairness, the constitutional separation of powers, never waging unnecessary wars, a role for government in helping the less fortunate, all those things that will highlight the differences between the Democrats who stand up for all Americans and Republicans who stand up for a very narrow slice of wealthy Americans shareholders.
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/08/obamas-fatal-flaws/#comment-537420</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Swami, exactly. Armando's whining notwithstanding, I have written about the white working class vote before.  I think the deeper question is not &quot;why can't Obama appeal to those voters&quot; but &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/23/more-jacksonian-than-jackson/#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;why do these voters buy the same BS every election&quot;&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Swami, exactly. Armando&#8217;s whining notwithstanding, I have written about the white working class vote before.  I think the deeper question is not &#8220;why can&#8217;t Obama appeal to those voters&#8221; but &#8220;<a href="http://www.mahablog.com/2008/04/23/more-jacksonian-than-jackson/#comments" rel="nofollow">&#8220;why do these voters buy the same BS every election&#8221;</a>?
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		<title>by: Swami</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/08/obamas-fatal-flaws/#comment-537419</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 21:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Why is it that it's Obama's failure to connect with white working class voters?..Why isn't it white working class voters failing to understand the necessity for change, and connect with Obama as the only possible candidate to hopefully implement that change?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why is it that it&#8217;s Obama&#8217;s failure to connect with white working class voters?..Why isn&#8217;t it white working class voters failing to understand the necessity for change, and connect with Obama as the only possible candidate to hopefully implement that change?
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