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		<title>by: joanr16</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/18/sectarian-sexism/#comment-537699</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 17:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I stopped visiting Lance Mannion's site because the subtle undertow of evaluating women by their physical appearance was encouraging female commenters to make points such as (partially paraphrasing) &quot;Mo Dowd writes like a bitter, ugly woman.&quot;  I loved Lance's cultural and (general) political commentary, but in the end I learned one thing at his site: some women feel very put-upon by the resentment of other women, who hate them because they're beautiful.  Nice catch-22, that; only a &quot;bitter, ugly woman&quot; (not paraphrased) woman would criticize the shallow thinking of these put-upon princesses.  It's enough to say that Mo Dowd and Phyllis Schlafly think and write like flaming hypocrites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I stopped visiting Lance Mannion&#8217;s site because the subtle undertow of evaluating women by their physical appearance was encouraging female commenters to make points such as (partially paraphrasing) &#8220;Mo Dowd writes like a bitter, ugly woman.&#8221;  I loved Lance&#8217;s cultural and (general) political commentary, but in the end I learned one thing at his site: some women feel very put-upon by the resentment of other women, who hate them because they&#8217;re beautiful.  Nice catch-22, that; only a &#8220;bitter, ugly woman&#8221; (not paraphrased) woman would criticize the shallow thinking of these put-upon princesses.  It&#8217;s enough to say that Mo Dowd and Phyllis Schlafly think and write like flaming hypocrites.
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		<title>by: minstrel hussain boy</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/18/sectarian-sexism/#comment-537698</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 16:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://mistrelboy.blogspot.com/2008/05/samizdat.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Samizdat!&lt;/a&gt;

a whiff of subversion in the morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://mistrelboy.blogspot.com/2008/05/samizdat.html" rel="nofollow">Samizdat!</a></p>
	<p>a whiff of subversion in the morning.
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		<title>by: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/18/sectarian-sexism/#comment-537696</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 13:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Don't forget Maureen Dowd, she is know in some circles as an influential woman, yet she herself is obviously terrified of strong women.  It's not just her hatred of Hillary Clinton, Dowd frequently exposes her &quot;fear&quot; of women when she writes her vile and petty articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Don&#8217;t forget Maureen Dowd, she is know in some circles as an influential woman, yet she herself is obviously terrified of strong women.  It&#8217;s not just her hatred of Hillary Clinton, Dowd frequently exposes her &#8220;fear&#8221; of women when she writes her vile and petty articles.
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/18/sectarian-sexism/#comment-537695</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 13:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Cloistered, Barbara - cloistered away!&lt;/i&gt;

I'd say you have been, yes.

&lt;i&gt;I have to stick to what I said - I expected plenty of Clinton hatred, a little from the left and a ton from the right. But I didn’t think it would have such horrendous sexual overtones. &lt;/i&gt;

Then you were naive. 

&lt;i&gt;It’s one for the history books.&lt;/i&gt;

I can only assume you've been caught off guard because you haven't seen the sexism that's been with us all along. It's been a lot more blatant and public regarding Clinton's candidacy, but as even a somewhat public woman I assure you that I've enjoyed garbage just as vile aimed at me since I've been blogging. Any woman who become the least bit public gets it, publicly, and if you aren't public you can still trip over it from time to time. You get used to it. 

So, dude -- wake up.

&lt;i&gt;he should speak out, in my view.&lt;/i&gt;

That would be fine, but I still don't understand why it is his unique responsibility to address nonsense that's been going on since before he was born.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Cloistered, Barbara - cloistered away!</i></p>
	<p>I&#8217;d say you have been, yes.</p>
	<p><i>I have to stick to what I said - I expected plenty of Clinton hatred, a little from the left and a ton from the right. But I didn’t think it would have such horrendous sexual overtones. </i></p>
	<p>Then you were naive. </p>
	<p><i>It’s one for the history books.</i></p>
	<p>I can only assume you&#8217;ve been caught off guard because you haven&#8217;t seen the sexism that&#8217;s been with us all along. It&#8217;s been a lot more blatant and public regarding Clinton&#8217;s candidacy, but as even a somewhat public woman I assure you that I&#8217;ve enjoyed garbage just as vile aimed at me since I&#8217;ve been blogging. Any woman who become the least bit public gets it, publicly, and if you aren&#8217;t public you can still trip over it from time to time. You get used to it. </p>
	<p>So, dude &#8212; wake up.</p>
	<p><i>he should speak out, in my view.</i></p>
	<p>That would be fine, but I still don&#8217;t understand why it is his unique responsibility to address nonsense that&#8217;s been going on since before he was born.
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		<title>by: Tom W.</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/18/sectarian-sexism/#comment-537694</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 13:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Cloistered, Barbara - cloistered away!

I have to stick to what I said - I expected plenty of Clinton hatred, a little from the left and a ton from the right. But I didn't think it would have such horrendous sexual overtones. The sheer overwhelming size of the sexist reaction to Clinton's candidacy - and it's surely not the only reason for her defeat - was what stunned me. That and the tacit ok that many of her leftist  opponents (especially the younger demographic, frankly) gave to the incendiary language used against her. It's one for the history books.

I'll gladly support Obama, but if he wants to truly lead the Democratic Party, he should speak out, in my view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Cloistered, Barbara - cloistered away!</p>
	<p>I have to stick to what I said - I expected plenty of Clinton hatred, a little from the left and a ton from the right. But I didn&#8217;t think it would have such horrendous sexual overtones. The sheer overwhelming size of the sexist reaction to Clinton&#8217;s candidacy - and it&#8217;s surely not the only reason for her defeat - was what stunned me. That and the tacit ok that many of her leftist  opponents (especially the younger demographic, frankly) gave to the incendiary language used against her. It&#8217;s one for the history books.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ll gladly support Obama, but if he wants to truly lead the Democratic Party, he should speak out, in my view.
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/18/sectarian-sexism/#comment-537691</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 11:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ben -- Very well said. And may I say your comment is a welcome contrast to the blinkered stupidity of comment #8. Certainly sexism is a big factor in Hillary Derangement Syndrome, and I believe I stated that clearly. But it is far from the only factor. And it is way too simple to say that Hillary Clinton is losing the nomination battle because of sexism, or that the failure of the Clinton campaign proves no woman could be elected president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ben &#8212; Very well said. And may I say your comment is a welcome contrast to the blinkered stupidity of comment #8. Certainly sexism is a big factor in Hillary Derangement Syndrome, and I believe I stated that clearly. But it is far from the only factor. And it is way too simple to say that Hillary Clinton is losing the nomination battle because of sexism, or that the failure of the Clinton campaign proves no woman could be elected president.
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		<title>by: Ben Alpers</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/18/sectarian-sexism/#comment-537690</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 07:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for a thought-provoking post.

I suppose I don't think it's either sexism is the cause of Hillary Hatred or it's just a rhetoric in which that hatred is expressed. I think it's a complicated combination of both.

Sexism lies near the heart of many people's hatred of Clinton, but I also think it's a language in which some people express a hatred of Clinton whose roots lie elsewhere.  

One of the lessons of this campaign is that it is more acceptable to engage in openly sexist rhetoric than openly racist rhetoric (the racism we've seen aimed at Obama has been a bit more dogwhistley than much of the sexism aimed at Clinton). Yet I don't think that means that sexism is a worse problem than racism...or vice versa, for that matter. Sexism and racism are apples and oranges, two different economies of privilege each with its own rules and rhetorics (public and private).

I certainly don't think that one can conclude from any particular person's dislike of Hillary Clinton that that person is unprepared to have a woman for president. I'd love to have a woman president. If, say, Barbara Lee were the Democratic presidential candidate, I'd be devoting lots of time and money to getting her elected. But I can't stand the kind of &quot;New Democratic&quot; politics that the Clintons pioneered; I left the Democratic Party as a result of them, in fact.  I look forward to the day when both Hillary and Bill Clinton play a much smaller role in our public life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for a thought-provoking post.</p>
	<p>I suppose I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s either sexism is the cause of Hillary Hatred or it&#8217;s just a rhetoric in which that hatred is expressed. I think it&#8217;s a complicated combination of both.</p>
	<p>Sexism lies near the heart of many people&#8217;s hatred of Clinton, but I also think it&#8217;s a language in which some people express a hatred of Clinton whose roots lie elsewhere.  </p>
	<p>One of the lessons of this campaign is that it is more acceptable to engage in openly sexist rhetoric than openly racist rhetoric (the racism we&#8217;ve seen aimed at Obama has been a bit more dogwhistley than much of the sexism aimed at Clinton). Yet I don&#8217;t think that means that sexism is a worse problem than racism&#8230;or vice versa, for that matter. Sexism and racism are apples and oranges, two different economies of privilege each with its own rules and rhetorics (public and private).</p>
	<p>I certainly don&#8217;t think that one can conclude from any particular person&#8217;s dislike of Hillary Clinton that that person is unprepared to have a woman for president. I&#8217;d love to have a woman president. If, say, Barbara Lee were the Democratic presidential candidate, I&#8217;d be devoting lots of time and money to getting her elected. But I can&#8217;t stand the kind of &#8220;New Democratic&#8221; politics that the Clintons pioneered; I left the Democratic Party as a result of them, in fact.  I look forward to the day when both Hillary and Bill Clinton play a much smaller role in our public life.
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		<title>by: Steve M.</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/18/sectarian-sexism/#comment-537688</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 03:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt; ...Thatcher was mystically connected to Saint Ronald. That made her OK.&lt;/i&gt;

Good point.  (And Jeane Kirkpatrick too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i> &#8230;Thatcher was mystically connected to Saint Ronald. That made her OK.</i></p>
	<p>Good point.  (And Jeane Kirkpatrick too.)
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/18/sectarian-sexism/#comment-537687</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 03:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I ask this question with all respect — since the sexism was directed at Hillary Clinton, and is an extension of all hatred directed toward the Clintons, does that make the sexism directed at her Okay?&lt;/i&gt;

All due respect, my ass. That is such a vile and stupid question, and one that shows you didn't give the post an honest reading, you just earned yourself a spot in the twit filter. Bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I ask this question with all respect — since the sexism was directed at Hillary Clinton, and is an extension of all hatred directed toward the Clintons, does that make the sexism directed at her Okay?</i></p>
	<p>All due respect, my ass. That is such a vile and stupid question, and one that shows you didn&#8217;t give the post an honest reading, you just earned yourself a spot in the twit filter. Bye.
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		<title>by: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/05/18/sectarian-sexism/#comment-537686</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 03:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Steve M -- as I said to another commenter above, I think in the rightie collective reptilian brain Thatcher was mystically connected to Saint Ronald. That made her OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Steve M &#8212; as I said to another commenter above, I think in the rightie collective reptilian brain Thatcher was mystically connected to Saint Ronald. That made her OK.
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