Comments on: Votes on the Votes

By: maha

maha — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:19:36 +0000

Betty — I’m originally from the Midwest but now live in New York, so Hillary Clinton is my senator. I’ve voted for her twice for Senate. I’ve even met her; she was charming. I have a slight preference for her health care plan over Obama’s, although neither plan is what I really want. But her “experience” is overrated. As a senator, she has been a disappointment. She has accomplished very little, for all her famous fighting.

You may dislike the tenor of some Obama bloggers, but to my mind Clinton bloggers like Larry Johnson and “Big Tent Democrat” at TalkLeft have been much uglier, more hateful, more hysterical, more divisive, more untruthful. It boggles my mind that Clinton supporters can’t see how badly they’ve behaved these past few months. It’s like you are wearing blinders.

By: betty

betty — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 04:44:27 +0000

I’m about the same age as the woman in the video, but I’m from the midwest so my style is markedly different. I started out as an Edwards supporter, because I thought he had the best chance of winning, and I agreed most closely with his positions. When I had to choose between Hillary and Barack, I chose Hillary because she impressed me as better prepared, I like her health care plan better and his vote on the energy bill and Exelon connections displeased me. As the campaign has progressed, I’ve come to like Hillary more and dislike Barack more. I had hoped for a Clinton/Obama ticket, but I don’t think the opposite will work, and I’d rather see her return to the senate. I dislike the tenor of Obama supporters Dkos, TPM, Huffpo etc. so intensely that I’m now feeling a disconnect with that segment of Democrats. My vote will probably go to the Green Party, although I’ve never voted third party before. But, if Hillary wants to run for any future office, I’ll be first in line to work for her.

By: Swami

Swami — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:35:44 +0000

Anyone else think that the raving woman in the video had been drinking?

No, she seemed like a normal New Yorker, except I wondered what was with the sunglasses.

By: Donna

Donna — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:13:54 +0000

Anyone else think that the raving woman in the video had been drinking?

By: tonto

tonto — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:28:36 +0000

I would think (hope!) that women like these (I’d call them “Ferraro Democrats”) are a tiny minority in the party. As a former ‘Deaniac’, I was certainly disappointed when that ‘inadequate white man’ John Kerry got the nomination but I whole-heartedly threw my support behind him and worked the MoveOn phone banks for a solid week before the election to help him and other Dems get elected. And as a former Hillary supporter, I’d just like to say, ” jeeze, thanks a bunch Hill and Bill for helping to engender this kind of apoplectic hostility towards another party candidate!”

By: Shredder

Shredder — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:09:22 +0000

Call me crazy but I have to wonder how many of the “crazies” are actually republicans, esp after seeing that quote about the Nazi party being a “socialist” party – isnt that a narrative straight out of right wing radio? Walks like a Rove, quacks like a Rove ….

By: maha

maha — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:22:17 +0000

Francis — valid point, but it does seem the lunatics are more representative than not of the loyal core of Clinton supporters. It’s been sad to watch formerly reasonable people come unglued of late. I just hope they recover eventually.

By: Francis

Francis — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:09:34 +0000

Trouble is that lunatics can be found supporting just about any movement. Pointing out Clinton has a few is not to me news.

By: biggerbox

biggerbox — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:31:03 +0000

Wow, that’s some video.

McCain is welcome to her, IMHO.

Beyond the problems with the Clinton campaign, and the way they’ve driven some of their supporters into incoherent frenzy, I’m also really tired of he party fawning after ‘the middle’ by acting more Republican. Let people like that woman go vote for McCain if she wants. Replace her vote with three from Republicans who are looking for an intelligent alternative, young people who are hoping to believe in political change, and independents who have been waiting for Democrats to stand for something again.

(I was particularly impressed by the reasoning behind the comment that Obama would not have been running had it not been a white woman who was running for president. (I don’t even understand what the hell she is talking about there. As I recall, there were also a bunch of white men in the campaign when they started. )

Here’s my prayer that Ickes comment about reserving the right is really about clearing a space for Clinton to seem compromising and magnanamous when she pulls out next week, and not about actually dragging this out to the bitter, bitter end.

By: Eclecta

Eclecta — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:54:52 +0000

There are obviously some people who truly identify with Hillary as she has played the victim through this stage of the campaign, and it’s obvious from that video that some people were just not that mentally balanced to start with.

I think it’s great to get cranks like that on video – let’s turn over these rocks and expose what’s underneath. Most sensible people will be utterly repulsed by such displays of spittle-flecked paranoia and ignorance. After all, I think most of us know people JUST LIKE THAT in our own lives, and know to disregard everything that they say.

I am relieved by the outcome of today’s meeting and am glad to see the adults are still in charge.