Comments on: I Never Said He Was Liberal Jesus

by: Swami

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:59:29 +0000

I guess it’s what you think you gotta do to get elected. I wasn’t too happy with Obama’s sucking up to AIPAC either, and was very disappointed with his Joshua Project.. Keep organized religion out of politics! Seems to me he’s courting a conflict in his message that translates into a conflict of his perceived sincerity. we’ll see…even if he turns out to be a smooth talking fraud, and a dud, he’s still better than the alternative.

by: erinyes

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:05:30 +0000

“He already freaked me out with that AIPAC speech”
In my HO, he changed his name to “Ben Dover”, but all must appease the AIPAC in order to stay in politics, ask Speaker Pelosi.
Two per cent of the population, and they’re the gate keepers.
Go figure.I suppose this makes me an anti-semite?, gag.
“It puts the lotion on the skin, or else it gets the hose again”

by: felicity

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:43:04 +0000

Yep, at this time there are no alternatives except one which I envision when I’m-out-of-my-mind-crazy with anger. Come election day in Nov. NOBODY show up to vote. I bet if we had a none-of-the-above on our ballets, it would get the ‘most votes’ -which may be why there isn’t one. I mean, how dramatic would that be, empty polling places. I can see the headlines around the world now…

by: joel hanes

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:24:05 +0000

I think Obama already knows enough about the extent of the surveillance: he knows that Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer and Rahm Emmanuel and Harry Reid are mortally frightened that the telecom cases will go to discovery, frightened enough to pull this piss-off-the-activists move right before a general election. They would not be doing this at this time unless their own asses were on the line.
So whether he has been explicitly told or not, Obama knows that there is something in that information (which we will now never see) that threatens the political careers of the Dem. party leadership. It might be documents showing that they were themselves complicit in the illegal tapping program. It might be documents produced by the taps and in Rove’s posession that would destroy their political careers in other ways.

by: D.R. Marvel

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:48:28 +0000

Obama is gonna sell you out just as quick as Clinton would have done…

As Ari Fleischer put it, so long ago: “Better watch what you say”…(Even to each other)

by: Bonnie

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:46:54 +0000

Obama needs to find out the extent of the surveillance because, like MLK, Obama has probably been a target. John Kerry was most likely a target in 2004. I agree with Maha, though, in that there are few alternatives. Our best chance for putting the Constitution back together lies with Obama NOT McCain.

by: maha

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:10:40 +0000

Shelly T — Show me your alternatives.

I keep giving this speech, but here’s the short version — it’s going to take several elections. We’re only at the beginning of a long-term process.

by: Shelly T

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:30:25 +0000

the only thing that makes sense is that people stop voting for Democrats every election and expecting a different result. Given what we now know about Obama, why would any liberal or Democrat or defender of the Constitution support him? He’s not just going to let this pass, he’s going to support it. That’s anti-constitutional. I don’t care how strategically smart it is, it’s a betrayal of the American people. How can anyone support this? I’m tired of the excuses for Obama every time he surprises us with another Republican-sounding idea. He already freaked me out with that AIPAC speech.

by: Swami

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:19:36 +0000

felicity…I would assume that the difference is in the ability to find out the extent of the ease dropping. An amnesty might allow for an investigation even if goes nowhere, but the retroactive immunity provision puts the kabash on ever finding out how extensive the domestic spying was/is.

I’m sure that part of the domestic spying program included massive data mining operations..What’s to become of all the information that was illegally obtained and stored that has no relevance to terrorist activities? Seems the government is in the habit of granting immunity without knowing the extent of the transgression…we’ve been here before,no?

Something stinks in Denmark!.. and Obama lost a little of his luster.

by: maha

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:04:03 +0000

joel — yes, I know.