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		<title>By: joanr16</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/07/15/irony-deficiency/comment-page-1/#comment-545404</link>
		<dc:creator>joanr16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abiodun, I&#039;ve read the New Yorker for decades, and I didn&#039;t get it because-- as I explained above-- there &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; no satire to get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abiodun, I&#8217;ve read the New Yorker for decades, and I didn&#8217;t get it because&#8211; as I explained above&#8211; there <i>was</i> no satire to get.</p>
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		<title>By: abiodun</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/07/15/irony-deficiency/comment-page-1/#comment-545387</link>
		<dc:creator>abiodun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people who read the NY magazine got the satire. Like John Stewart documented on the Daily Show yesterday, the MSM has been the source of propagating a lot of these smears ad nauseum. And do not forget various(so-called feminist e.g. tennesse guerilla women) blogs with a rabid hatred for Obama, where the same commenters spew the same drivel daily. Yes, democrats have a reason to be concerned and outraged about the cartoon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people who read the NY magazine got the satire. Like John Stewart documented on the Daily Show yesterday, the MSM has been the source of propagating a lot of these smears ad nauseum. And do not forget various(so-called feminist e.g. tennesse guerilla women) blogs with a rabid hatred for Obama, where the same commenters spew the same drivel daily. Yes, democrats have a reason to be concerned and outraged about the cartoon.</p>
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		<title>By: joanr16</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/07/15/irony-deficiency/comment-page-1/#comment-545386</link>
		<dc:creator>joanr16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think this qualifies as satire, either, but at least it&#039;s funny:

http://fafblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/greatest-story-ever-told.html

May Gorilla Jesus bless Fafblog forever and ever.  Amen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this qualifies as satire, either, but at least it&#8217;s funny:</p>
<p><a href="http://fafblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/greatest-story-ever-told.html" rel="nofollow">http://fafblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/greatest-story-ever-told.html</a></p>
<p>May Gorilla Jesus bless Fafblog forever and ever.  Amen</p>
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		<title>By: libarbarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>libarbarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m in the minority of Obama supporters who found it funny and thought it made the right-wing charicature of Obama look as dumb as it is.


As for comparing it to McCain .... there is no comparable mass belief in dumbass untruths about McCain.  If there was a serious email campaign alledging that McCain had been brainwashed as a Manchurian Candidate by the NVA then I&#039;d laugh at something which mocked that as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m in the minority of Obama supporters who found it funny and thought it made the right-wing charicature of Obama look as dumb as it is.</p>
<p>As for comparing it to McCain &#8230;. there is no comparable mass belief in dumbass untruths about McCain.  If there was a serious email campaign alledging that McCain had been brainwashed as a Manchurian Candidate by the NVA then I&#8217;d laugh at something which mocked that as well.</p>
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		<title>By: paradoctor</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/07/15/irony-deficiency/comment-page-1/#comment-545342</link>
		<dc:creator>paradoctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s offensive and unfunny; yet it&#039;s also hysterically funny. It depends on your state of mind; like one of those optical illusions where you see either the young lady or the old crone. 

However, I don&#039;t think the cartoonist wanted _that_ much ambiguity.

The trouble, I think, is improper framing. If he&#039;d put the whole thing in a thought balloon rising out of a clown&#039;s head, then it would have worked fine. 

As an example of proper framing:
seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?isp=17
Horsey comparing the cartoon to a hypothetical National Review cartoon cover, about McCain. (Itself also hysterically funny and offensive.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s offensive and unfunny; yet it&#8217;s also hysterically funny. It depends on your state of mind; like one of those optical illusions where you see either the young lady or the old crone. </p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t think the cartoonist wanted _that_ much ambiguity.</p>
<p>The trouble, I think, is improper framing. If he&#8217;d put the whole thing in a thought balloon rising out of a clown&#8217;s head, then it would have worked fine. </p>
<p>As an example of proper framing:<br />
seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?isp=17<br />
Horsey comparing the cartoon to a hypothetical National Review cartoon cover, about McCain. (Itself also hysterically funny and offensive.)</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/07/15/irony-deficiency/comment-page-1/#comment-545340</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out Tom Toles&#039; cartoon in today&#039;s WashPo.  I think he got it right. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html?nid=roll_toonsvid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out Tom Toles&#8217; cartoon in today&#8217;s WashPo.  I think he got it right. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html?nid=roll_toonsvid" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html?nid=roll_toonsvid</a></p>
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		<title>By: joanr16</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanr16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, let&#039;s stop repeating the meme that &quot;the essence of satire is exaggerating negative stereotypes.&quot;  That&#039;s utterly wrong.  The exaggeration of negative stereotypes is the essence of &lt;i&gt;bigotry.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Webster&#039;s Dictionary defines &lt;i&gt;satire&lt;/i&gt; correctly:
 
&lt;b&gt;A literary work holding up human vices or follies to ridicule or scorn.&lt;/b&gt;
 
Of course, believing the &quot;stealth terrorists who hate America&quot; lie about the Obamas is the folly in question, and the vice of bigotry inspires that folly.  Unfortunately-- as movie credits sometimes say--  no bigots (or their unholy fools) were harmed in the drawing of Barry Blitt&#039;s cartoon.  He merely presented their false images &lt;i&gt;without context&lt;/i&gt;; that is, without framing the images in any way that would refer to the folly or vice in question.

Blitt&#039;s error caused him to fail at satire completely, and inadvertently do the bigots&#039; work for them.  David Remnick&#039;s subsequent excuse-making only made the New Yorker staff sound incompetent &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; whiny.  The entire affair has been a damnfool thing indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, let&#8217;s stop repeating the meme that &#8220;the essence of satire is exaggerating negative stereotypes.&#8221;  That&#8217;s utterly wrong.  The exaggeration of negative stereotypes is the essence of <i>bigotry.</i> </p>
<p>Webster&#8217;s Dictionary defines <i>satire</i> correctly:</p>
<p><b>A literary work holding up human vices or follies to ridicule or scorn.</b></p>
<p>Of course, believing the &#8220;stealth terrorists who hate America&#8221; lie about the Obamas is the folly in question, and the vice of bigotry inspires that folly.  Unfortunately&#8211; as movie credits sometimes say&#8211;  no bigots (or their unholy fools) were harmed in the drawing of Barry Blitt&#8217;s cartoon.  He merely presented their false images <i>without context</i>; that is, without framing the images in any way that would refer to the folly or vice in question.</p>
<p>Blitt&#8217;s error caused him to fail at satire completely, and inadvertently do the bigots&#8217; work for them.  David Remnick&#8217;s subsequent excuse-making only made the New Yorker staff sound incompetent <i>and</i> whiny.  The entire affair has been a damnfool thing indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ape Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ape Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this falls into the same category as Chris Rock&#039;s &quot;I&#039;m not saying he should have killed her...  but I understand&quot; routine about OJ.  

I, personally, find it pretty offensive.  I certainly don&#039;t think it&#039;s funny.  But I see why it&#039;s supposed to be funny, and I certainly recognize that it&#039;s an objectively good thing that major cultural institutions are supporting comedy that I find to be offensive.  

That&#039;s a point I think too few people grasp - even YOU are offended by some things that are nonetheless benign.  It&#039;s part of being... a person.

APS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this falls into the same category as Chris Rock&#8217;s &#8220;I&#8217;m not saying he should have killed her&#8230;  but I understand&#8221; routine about OJ.  </p>
<p>I, personally, find it pretty offensive.  I certainly don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s funny.  But I see why it&#8217;s supposed to be funny, and I certainly recognize that it&#8217;s an objectively good thing that major cultural institutions are supporting comedy that I find to be offensive.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a point I think too few people grasp &#8211; even YOU are offended by some things that are nonetheless benign.  It&#8217;s part of being&#8230; a person.</p>
<p>APS</p>
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		<title>By: Duderino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duderino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t rather simple if you consider the other way around?

Would any magazine ever dare to do a satire, using the left as the target of the joke, with a cover where a insanely senile-looking John McCane laughs while he is shooting a brown child in her oil-spilling head (like in the infamous Vietnam photo mixed with the screaming girl) and holding a leash on a ape (perhaps also as a vague reference to the Abu Ghraib photo) that&#039;s raping a woman-nature on the floor, while he shouts &quot;PAY MY ALLOWANCE OR I&#039;LL DIE LIKE THOSE POOR SPICS, YOU RICH CUNT!&quot; to his wife, while the entire press aplauds while saying &quot;He can rape my privacy any time he wants -- and I sure as hell won&#039;t use the morning pill afterwards!&quot; with a big smile as Blackwater points guns at them?

Surely not, right?

But if someone were to do that cartoon, please... not something tasteless. And soon, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t rather simple if you consider the other way around?</p>
<p>Would any magazine ever dare to do a satire, using the left as the target of the joke, with a cover where a insanely senile-looking John McCane laughs while he is shooting a brown child in her oil-spilling head (like in the infamous Vietnam photo mixed with the screaming girl) and holding a leash on a ape (perhaps also as a vague reference to the Abu Ghraib photo) that&#8217;s raping a woman-nature on the floor, while he shouts &#8220;PAY MY ALLOWANCE OR I&#8217;LL DIE LIKE THOSE POOR SPICS, YOU RICH CUNT!&#8221; to his wife, while the entire press aplauds while saying &#8220;He can rape my privacy any time he wants &#8212; and I sure as hell won&#8217;t use the morning pill afterwards!&#8221; with a big smile as Blackwater points guns at them?</p>
<p>Surely not, right?</p>
<p>But if someone were to do that cartoon, please&#8230; not something tasteless. And soon, please.</p>
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		<title>By: skippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t know about you, but i think that &lt;a href=&quot;http://xnerg.blogspot.com/2008/07/we.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new yorker cover&lt;/a&gt; is just plain offensive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t know about you, but i think that <a href="http://xnerg.blogspot.com/2008/07/we.html" rel="nofollow">new yorker cover</a> is just plain offensive!</p>
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